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Old Posted Jun 30, 2016, 7:56 PM
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Calatrava's design was stunningly beautiful. I truly feel sad everytime I see the turd they ended up building. That and the Denver Justice Center. Why does Denver always get teased with great design, only to end up with garbage being built?

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Yeah - Calatrava's design was far more elegant no doubt - and was more complementary to the existing airport architecture - but, as bunt said he couldn't be constrained by such things as budgets and apparently patented the color white.


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Old Posted Jun 30, 2016, 8:29 PM
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Having the cops act as a kind of outreach would move the really annoying kids along even faster.
Actually... There is an officer doing what looks like this very thing walking up the mall right now. I can't really tell from up here, but it sure looks like he's mostly talking to people sitting in the middle of the mall by Taco Bell and is working his way towards the pavilions. Huh.

Not that I was staring out the window instead of working. Nope.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2016, 9:30 PM
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Calatrava's design was stunningly beautiful. I truly feel sad everytime I see the turd they ended up building. That and the Denver Justice Center. Why does Denver always get teased with great design, only to end up with garbage being built?
Because that's like your opinion, man. Calatrava is a hack architect who thinks he own the color white and anything over 6 feet tall that looks like a hair pick.

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You're even posing in one of those photos! You're like... blog famous now!
Now that I'm blog famous, I call dibs on blue polos and looking off to the side. Anyone I catch doing that on their blog will be sued.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2016, 2:18 AM
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Yeah - Calatrava's design was far more elegant no doubt - and was more complementary to the existing airport architecture - but, as bunt said he couldn't be constrained by such things as budgets and apparently patented the color white.


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Here's my deal. I can look at the rendering and be awed by the elegance etc. Then I can stand up, spin around, drop a different hat on and see it very differently. The rendering looks quite dull, bland, uninteresting and sleep inducing.

The current contrast has grown on me and I think over the long run will wear even better than the bland. Technically, the hotel is not a part of the airport which is also why I think this works fine. Plus The Dirt makes the point (in effect) that the building's function is way more important anyway.

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Is it a problem? Sure. Is it somehow unique to Denver or the 16th St. Mall? Absolutely not.

Also, going back to my previous post about the mall: Just like the Ross management, the owners of the McDonalds on that corner (16th & Cleveland) should be publicly shamed for not helping to alleviate the crazy crackhead problem.
I dunno. Just bcuz Denver isn't alone doesn't mean everybody should just throw up there hands and tolerate it. There's also many, many places that don't have the problem. Why not copy them?

With respect to McDonalds and Ross, my guess is that the word from the Top on down is don't mess with people. I've read several cases where a Walmart or other retail employee was fired for trying to stop a shoplifter, for example. Companies are lawsuit and liability averse should the very worst happen.


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It was stupid. I can't believe the mall is like this now. Back in 2009/2010 I used to walk the mall at 2/3am ALONE and not run into a single soul. I would never do that now.
That was a fascinating read, partly for what you observed and partly bcuz it wasn't all that long ago that it was very different.

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You can only do so much since it's still public property / domain. I know if you kick them off the mall, they'll just migrate out to 14th, 15th or 17th, 18th, and beyond. It's tricky.
Rhetorical questions: Where do these chaps come from? Are they local as from the Metro area or are they from somewhere else. Do they think that Denver is a groovy place to stay or are they just passing through?

If Denver makes them feel unwelcome and uncomfortable they'll move along and it won't just be one street over but to Thornton or the next city on their list. For some maybe 6th and Broadway?

By way of example, Scottsdale has plenty of artsy fartsy types, many who likely score part time jobs especially during high season. With their high dollar tourist business no way would they tolerate crackheads and panhandlers bothering people. Wouldn't happen.

Now if some of today's youth wants to see Denver and then move on as a summer project (for example) then let em have a free or cheap bed somewhere, a couple squares a day and wish them well when they leave for the next town. If they want to find a temporary job for a few months that's cool too. Whole different demographic obviously.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2016, 3:07 PM
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The hotel was never going to look like those renderings. In real life, that sparkling computer-generated white gloss gets weathered.


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Was in the DU area today and noticed there are 3 cranes for 2 apartment projects. Don't forget to include those in your crane tally for Denver.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2016, 12:58 AM
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Also saw a brand new Herzog train on the hampden and broadway bridge. Apparently these are used to build new rail lines?
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2016, 4:52 AM
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Sounds very aggressive on the mall now...not good. Curious if they share bunts ironic killtherich mentality.

What should mcdonalds do? Hire guards? Shoo them away?
No, these are not like the occupy protesters of old. These people don't stand for anything except vagrancy, intimidation, and living off the land. It's only a matter of time until a regular citizen shoots one of them in self-defense. Then we'll have a real debate about which lives matter. Hint to as to the answer: not the urban travelers. These are people who add no value.

My thought is 12-month sentences in an unheated prison in the mountains someplace. They'll leave after that. And no more will follow.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2016, 2:50 PM
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Orchard Station TOD planned for Greenwood Village:

Developer: Alberta Development Partners
Site: 24 acres

Office: 1.2 million square feet
Residential: 1.7 million square feet
Retail: 300,000 square feet
Hotel: 177 rooms
Open Space: 7.5 acres

Height: up to 300 feet



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Pretty nice. I wish it was happening in like 5 points or something instead though.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2016, 7:31 PM
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Pretty nice. I wish it was happening in like 5 points or something instead though.
. Asides from it being your typical inward facing suburban development that's focused on people driving in to pretend their being urban..... then I guess it's okay. At least this iteration treats the light rail station as more then an afterthought.

More likely it gets trimmed down to some 5-10 story suburban crap plopped on top of a lifestyle center.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2016, 11:33 PM
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. Asides from it being your typical inward facing suburban development that's focused on people driving in to pretend their being urban..... then I guess it's okay. At least this iteration treats the light rail station as more then an afterthought.

More likely it gets trimmed down to some 5-10 story suburban crap plopped on top of a lifestyle center.
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The parking lot on the NW corner of Park and Welton (with the Five Points billboard) was fenced off this morning. Any idea what's going on?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 4:43 PM
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Thats the spirit, nothing like a little positive thinking!
He's probably not wrong. This was my client in a past life. They're not apartment developers. You may get a building or two, but without condos, it'll be highly office dependent. The shopping center will be their priority; everything else will be expendable.
     
     
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The parking lot on the NW corner of Park and Welton (with the Five Points billboard) was fenced off this morning. Any idea what's going on?
There was an apartment project proposed for that corner a while back (early 2015), but haven't seen much activity since.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 5:54 PM
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http://denver-cityscape.com/

Interesting post on cityscape regarding a 12 floor "micro-apartment" building that would be going in on 15th and Wawetta. Total of 91 units. It's hard to believe you could fit that many people on that sliver of a property.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 6:01 PM
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There was an apartment project proposed for that corner a while back (early 2015), but haven't seen much activity since.
Was news to me too. The lot was still there - not like they had ripped it up, but the fencing surrounded the entire lot.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 6:08 PM
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I truly like Gensler's airport hotel a lot better than Calatrava's design. I guess I just like clean looking buildings. I hate the chicken bone flourishes on the roof and frankly the over use of white in SC's design. I'm glad he bailed on the project. The micro-apartment project is great for 15th and Welton. I never thought anything would be built there.

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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 6:49 PM
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I wrote that lot off a long time ago as undevelopable with current parking requirements. Glad to see that it's being utilized. It's great to see all of the new development along 15th Street filling up all of those gaps.
     
     
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