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Old Posted Jun 29, 2016, 7:31 PM
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I've heard from several city council members that they are frustrated that developers only build up to maximum allowed for wood framed construction, even in areas that allow for taller buildings. Even when they do go taller many will just go taller with the podium for the extra height instead of switching to steel. The state street project mess might have scared some developers away from steel. But if we want tall slender buildings we are going to have to move away from wood.
Speaking of tall and slender; do any of the zoning laws address width? These buildings are all stubby and ugly, we can all agree on that, but I think there would be a lot less opposition if each one of these 4th south buildings were half as long and split into separate distinct buildings. Two ugly buildings that are different is far more engaging and interesting than one full block of the same ugly.

There's so much focus on height, setback and parking; I want width restrictions!

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Old Posted Jun 29, 2016, 8:37 PM
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Speaking of tall and slender; do any of the zoning laws address width? These buildings are all stubby and ugly, we can all agree on that, but I think there would be a lot less opposition if each one of these 4th south buildings were half as long and split into separate distinct buildings. Two ugly buildings that are different is far more engaging and interesting than one full block of the same ugly.

There's so much focus on height, setback and parking; I want width restrictions!
I agree, however I am pretty sure that isn't addressed anywhere except with verbiage along the lines of not creating an overly long wall with no architectural variety. Which my definition of long boring wall is obviously different from the Planning Commission and some planning staffs definition as I spoke out against the long wall of Alta Gateway and my comments where brushed aside. It seems as if the developers are getting away with it along the podium level because they are creating the "inlets" on the upper floors.

I'm not sure how that could be addressed, but I think it needs to be explored. In the 4th and 4th situation, it would require them to not take the Scientology building, or if they still insisted on doing so, they would then have to build two buildings, and as you said, possibly two boring buildings with space in between, instead of one.

There has to be some sort of carrot out there to discourage width. I would see the best way to encourage that would be to alter the TSA scoring system that is in place. Evaluate the overall massing of width vs height, not to exceed a certain percentage. Maybe a required parking reduction if the width/height ratio reaches a certain percentage.

Speaking of reducing parking requirements, and I think I've brought this up on the thread in the past, I read a while back about a city that greatly reduced their onsite parking requirements and instituted transit pass requirements for new development. I don't have the exact numbers so this is just an example. The city reduced the parking requirements from 1 per unit to .5 per unit and mandated one yearly transit pass per unit as well. Again not the exact numbers put it gets my point across. People would be even more wiling to move into a place and shed a car if they were provided a transit pass. I have brought this up with two Council members in the past, and may once again pass it along in the future, if we don't start to see a reduction in all this residential project parking overage.

Another thing I read about, that was a thing before the recession I believe was a bank that loaned on mortgages based on the walk and transit score. If the condo or home was really close to a transit line the lender would allow for a larger portion of monthly income to go to housing than a traditional lender would offer. The transit pass and this lending program could lead to more for sale development opportunities and would ultimately reduce the construction costs to the developers because they are reducing parking, which is a massive expense.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2016, 9:29 PM
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Speaking of tall and slender; do any of the zoning laws address width? These buildings are all stubby and ugly, we can all agree on that, but I think there would be a lot less opposition if each one of these 4th south buildings were half as long and split into separate distinct buildings. Two ugly buildings that are different is far more engaging and interesting than one full block of the same ugly.

There's so much focus on height, setback and parking; I want width restrictions!
Rumor has it from City Hall that the TSA code is going through a revision right now. I've heard that they are planning several big changes-- among them, a maximum street frontage to reduce building width, a maximum lot size to reduce lot consolidation, a change in permitted materials, and a required minimum amount of street engagement. Depending on how fast it gets to the planning commission, I could imagine a moratorium being placed on up coming/future projects.
     
     
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Rumor has it from City Hall that the TSA code is going through a revision right now. I've heard that they are planning several big changes-- among them, a maximum street frontage to reduce building width, a maximum lot size to reduce lot consolidation, a change in permitted materials, and a required minimum amount of street engagement. Depending on how fast it gets to the planning commission, I could imagine a moratorium being placed on up coming/future projects.
That is fantastic news. I like that they are considering all of the above changes.

Thank you Councilman Kitchen for bringing up that fact that the TSA has failed thus far.
     
     
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I hate what that building has done to the street. I hate that they tore down a boisterous block only to replace it with so much emptiness. I really hate that they did it when there was a land banked parking lot across the street.

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Rumor has it from City Hall that the TSA code is going through a revision right now. I've heard that they are planning several big changes-- among them, a maximum street frontage to reduce building width, a maximum lot size to reduce lot consolidation, a change in permitted materials, and a required minimum amount of street engagement. Depending on how fast it gets to the planning commission, I could imagine a moratorium being placed on up coming/future projects.
Perhaps on top of changing the zoning they should end the impact fee moratorium within the TSA. Allow the developers to earn waivers on the impact fee. This could be based on slenderness ratio, materials, ground floor retail, etc. They could be more strict with the impact fee waivers than the zoning.
     
     
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Regent Street Parking Garage -Exterior Sign Plan
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Nice. Look forward to walking down this street.
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I love their extensive consideration of historic signs. I predict Future Mayor will use this smilie:
     
     
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I just hope they allow Struck to do the things they come up with. Struck comes up with some great, edgy stuff and I'd be very pleasantly surprised if the city has the vision to trust them and actually go through with it.
     
     
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That almost looks like the old Quest Building (now comm somthing link)parking structure in the back. Is this a new version of the proposal for the parking lot on 200 east and 250s.?
     
     
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That almost looks like the old Quest Building (now comm somthing link)parking structure in the back. Is this a new version of the proposal for the parking lot on 200 east and 250s.?
Nice find! You shouldn't know parking lots that well... None the less I agree, that is the spot. Hopefully this is real then, that would be a good fit there. Proportions are all messed up in the picture, but I like it. Replacing the Mortuary even?

     
     
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What makes this even more maddening is that the Federal govt. was eyeing Holding's block, but Holding (Clint Ensign) got Orrin Hatch to stop the Feds, because Holding had plans for the block. Then around the time the courthouse was finished, Holding sells it to the LDS church, which has no plans for the block. DUH.


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I hate what that building has done to the street. I hate that they tore down a boisterous block only to replace it with so much emptiness. I really hate that they did it when there was a land banked parking lot across the street.



Perhaps on top of changing the zoning they should end the impact fee moratorium within the TSA. Allow the developers to earn waivers on the impact fee. This could be based on slenderness ratio, materials, ground floor retail, etc. They could be more strict with the impact fee waivers than the zoning.

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I love their extensive consideration of historic signs. I predict Future Mayor will use this smilie:
You know me so well. Now if I could just make a giant drool face.

I too hope the city is willing to pull the trigger with the signage on Regent St. I think it would be a great test case for the expansion of more blade signs throughout the city. Rather than allowing them under certain conditions, actually shift to encouraging them on retail and pedestrian corridors.


As for the building posted, I look the design, it's taller than it is wide, and it fills in a small surface lot. It doesn't appear that it has any retail, just a building entrance, but I don't see retail as critical in this location, considering that both 200 S and 300 S have a large amount of retail presence nearby.

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