O-Train Line 1/3 [Stage 2 | West Extension | Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[waterloowarrior]

Stage 2 alignment improvements staff report
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/item.aspx?itemid=345825

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

First of all, I take these preliminary sketches with a grain of salt as there is a lot of artistic license used to make the picture look pretty. Having said that I do consider an exterior walkway or path to be a connection. There is lots of time for common sense to prevail and for the long looping cow paths to be straightened.

We are now 24 months away from the in-service of the LRT system.

We can haz updated renderings?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Stage 2 alignment improvements staff report
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/item.aspx?itemid=345825

I couldn't find the word "Jasmine" in there.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I couldn't find the word "Jasmine" in there.

Page 12:

The improved alignment would also protect for a future Gloucester High School station. While not planned as part of Stage 2, interest in this potential future station was identified through the EA process. This station would be located farther east than was contemplated in the EA and located in the median rather than on the north side of the Ottawa Road 174.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by McC

Page 12:
The improved alignment would also protect for a future Gloucester High School station. While not planned as part of Stage 2, interest in this potential future station was identified through the EA process. This station would be located farther east than was contemplated in the EA and located in the median rather than on the north side of the Ottawa Road 174.

In other words the station would be closer to Jasmine than was contemplated before...likely behind the 2000/2020 Jasmine buildings.

[Capital Shaun]

I'm happy that Jasmine is included in the long term planning but what will it take to have it included as part of phase 2?

It's like the city doesn't learn from past mistakes. They skipped Gladstone & Wakley when they built the first O-Train line and 20 years later they're still just "planned" stations.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Capital Shaun

I'm happy that Jasmine is included in the long term planning but what will it take to have it included as part of phase 2?

It's like the city doesn't learn from past mistakes. They skipped Gladstone & Wakley when they built the first O-Train line and 20 years later they're still just "planned" stations.

The delay was deliberate because they felt that everybody would be switching to the Trillium Line during the Confederation Line construction period and they feared that the route would be overwhelmed with passengers. Of course, that didn't happen and anybody living in the south end would have expected that.

In general, delayed stations don't tend to get built for a very long time, if ever. I would be going after the special infrastructure money to get it built right away.

[RTWAP]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Doesn't look like there is much planned on the ground level so far...

Why would Cleary need two large ground level concourses, one at each end of the station? 95% of the traffic would come from the Richmond side, not pedestrians along the parkway.

And why would the ground-level station need to be at the end of the platform in that case. If they moved it east a bit, and either removed the other concourse or if they need it for redundancy then shrink it to a minimal size then they would end up with something like this.



Where the red box shows space dedicated to ground level access, and the purple box shows space that could be dedicated to retail. If you shrink the parking a bit then that leaves more retail space than was there before.

Oh yah, and I connected the two concourses at ground level with a glassy walkway on the assumption that the second concourse was for safety and redundancy. If the escalators break on the west side then people would go up to the right concourse ... and then go where?

[Buggys]

The Transit Project Assessment Process (TPAP; prescribed in Ontario Regulation 231/08) for the WLRT will be completed in Sept 2016.

As part of the TPAP, the draft Environmental Project Report is now available: http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-consultations/transit/notice-commencement

Also, is it possible to change the title of this thread to include Bayshore as the other terminus?

[McC]

the kids these days, no respect for their grandparents' urban planning.
pinecrest-renewal.squarespace.com

I just wish the video paused after each swooping pan of the flythrough for a moment to update us like: "okay, now we're looking down [Carling], which looks like [this] today, and where in the future we imagine [this....]" <whizz> <bang><lasersounds> etc.

(might be better if I had working sound on this system)

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by McC

the kids these days, no respect for their grandparents' urban planning.
pinecrest-renewal.squarespace.com

I just wish the video paused after each swooping pan of the flythrough for a moment to update us like: "okay, now we're looking down [Carling], which looks like [this] today, and where in the future we imagine [this....]" <whizz> <bang><lasersounds> etc.

(might be better if I had working sound on this system)

Interesting. A bit pie in the sky. Also, I am not sure the NCC will want to remove the parkway because of the LRT. Overall it looks cool though.

As for audio, you didn't miss anything, just your typical background music this type of animation typically has.

[McC]

Too bad there's no narration. I got totally disoriented by the middle of the video, and I was very surprised seeing the overhead shot at the end and discovering that stuff I thought was at one end of the site was at the other end completely.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by McC

Too bad there's no narration. I got totally disoriented by the middle of the video, and I was very surprised seeing the overhead shot at the end and discovering that stuff I thought was at one end of the site was at the other end completely.

I found the same thing. It was hard to get your bearings.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by McC

the kids these days, no respect for their grandparents' urban planning.
pinecrest-renewal.squarespace.com

I just wish the video paused after each swooping pan of the flythrough for a moment to update us like: "okay, now we're looking down [Carling], which looks like [this] today, and where in the future we imagine [this....]" <whizz> <bang><lasersounds> etc.

(might be better if I had working sound on this system)

Dear lord, that fantasy architecture looks like an animated version of every horrible piece of 1970s urban renewal in Ottawa, Toronto, and Calgary combined, including the crap that didn't get built.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I found the same thing. It was hard to get your bearings.

Yet another reason why Carleton's architecture skool scares me.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day all.... First Post, but I have ghosted here many years. I have not commented before,because most of what I had to say was well covered by others. BUT......This one I just had to get out here. Has anyone else examined the Western LRT Expansion TPAP documents from City of Ottawa's Transit subwebsite ? The diagrams in detail of several of the stations have an interesting dimension - platforms at 90 meters, protected future expansion 10 meters. !! !! I did not know they had furthur reduced the sizings !?! Of interest, neither of the TPAPs on City of Ottawa Transit subwebsite for the Eastern LRT Expansion nor the Trillium Line Expansion have the plans or details attached - you were only able to inspect them live in person manually - not online. (Paranoid interlude - did someone at City of Ottawa slip up by attaching the Western plans ?) Any one else, please tell me I have misspoken or misstepped - please ! And yes, I do know that these are preliminary and subject to modification - I HOPE ! But recall that the platforms went from 180 to 150 to 120 to ....... ? more cost cutting ?
Thanks... more rants to come.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day all.... First Post, but I have ghosted here many years. I have not commented before,because most of what I had to say was well covered by others. BUT......This one I just had to get out here. Has anyone else examined the Western LRT Expansion TPAP documents from City of Ottawa's Transit subwebsite ? The diagrams in detail of several of the stations have an interesting dimension - platforms at 90 meters, protected future expansion 10 meters. !! !! I did not know they had furthur reduced the sizings !?! Of interest, neither of the TPAPs on City of Ottawa Transit subwebsite for the Eastern LRT Expansion nor the Trillium Line Expansion have the plans or details attached - you were only able to inspect them live in person manually - not online. (Paranoid interlude - did someone at City of Ottawa slip up by attaching the Western plans ?) Any one else, please tell me I have misspoken or misstepped - please ! And yes, I do know that these are preliminary and subject to modification - I HOPE ! But recall that the platforms went from 180 to 150 to 120 to ....... ? more cost cutting ?
Thanks... more rants to come.

First off;

WELCOME TO SSP!!!!

Would you happen to have a link to this document? I don't think I've seen it.

Yes, the platforms were reduced significantly, from 180 to 150 to 120 to 90, as you've mentioned. In phase I, platforms are 90 meters, with possibility of expanding to 120 when necessary. The 3 downtown subway platforms are fully built at 120 meters right off the bat, since expanding platforms of such complex stations (mined out stations, deep underground with multi level concourses) can be exorbitantly expensive. I assume stations under Richmond Road and Algonquin might be simpler to expand later on since they will be of much simpler construction.

With the full 120 meter build out and 2 minute frequency, we will be able to easily reach a capacity of 24,000 phpd downtown, a little over double the current capacity. That's also just about the same capacity as the downtown portion of the Vancouver Skytrain.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

First off;

WELCOME TO SSP!!!!

Would you happen to have a link to this document? I don't think I've seen it.

Yes, the platforms were reduced significantly, from 180 to 150 to 120 to 90, as you've mentioned. In phase I, platforms are 90 meters, with possibility of expanding to 120 when necessary. The 3 downtown subway platforms are fully built at 120 meters right off the bat, since expanding platforms of such complex stations (mined out stations, deep underground with multi level concourses) can be exorbitantly expensive. I assume stations under Richmond Road and Algonquin might be simpler to expand later on since they will be of much simpler construction.

With the full 120 meter build out and 2 minute frequency, we will be able to easily reach a capacity of 24,000 phpd downtown, a little over double the current capacity. That's also just about the same capacity as the downtown portion of the Vancouver Skytrain.

Yo. Public link to City of Ottawa Transit subwebsite :
http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-consultations/transit/notice-commencement
You will probably have to download the document - they seem to have newly altered the way they do this. Peculiar, but.....there it is.

And, yes, I am aware of the first construction platform sizes; I was referring to the protection for future expansion - only 10 meters. And this is especially visible/critical in the Cleary station, where there just simply appears to be NO room for 120 total in future - only 100 . ie- a final future max size of only 100 ? .vs. many of the Phase 1 stations protected for a final future of, as you note - 120. There seems to be a disconnect between final future sizes here.

Thanks.

[eemy]

The 90m station is long enough for 2-car trains, but the confusing thing about the 120m stations is that they won't be long enough to accommodate 3-car trains. They could maybe add a section to the 4-section consists, but as far as I know, they are already the longest manufactured by Alstom, so I don't know if there are any restrictions to further lengthening.

[zzptichka]

Doubt we can fully fill two of these cars joined together, running every 2 minutes, any time soon.
Anyway it would be a good problem to have.