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Old Posted Jun 7, 2016, 3:26 AM
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Disgusting.

As usual, more concerns about administrative turf and about comms plans, than about the impact on daily life of transit and other users of the tunnel.
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2016, 3:11 PM
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As usual, more concerns about administrative turf and about comms plans, than about the impact on daily life of transit and other users of the tunnel.
Hey! Its the media. They are more concerned about creating drama than providing useful information, even if it is 2 months out of date.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2016, 5:34 PM
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Hey! Its the media. They are more concerned about creating drama than providing useful information, even if it is 2 months out of date.
No, internal emails between public bodies is not "the media".

And it's "out of date" because access to information requests take time.

My comment is directed at the comms officials who were too busy protecting their tuf that they lost sight of the important role of providing accurate information to the public. It is quite contemptuous.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 3:08 PM
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Looks like we have a collapse at Rideau station.
This is the only stretch of the tunnel that's not running through bedrock.



     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 3:13 PM
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Shit. Broken watermain gonna flood the whole thing

     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 3:14 PM
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YIKES.

https://twitter.com/JeffyE1979/status/740557229477224449

Is that gas or water? Either way - great big yikes.

This could be a big setback.

Edited to add: Holy hell, I hope anyone working underground got to safety.
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Looks like we have a collapse at Rideau station.
This is the only stretch of the tunnel that's not running through bedrock.



Naw. That is just where the new elevator is going in.
     
     
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Looks way too shallow to be the LRT tunnel. Isn't it like 20 metres deep at this point?

Could be just a watermain.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 4:26 PM
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Looks way too shallow to be the LRT tunnel. Isn't it like 20 metres deep at this point?

Could be just a watermain.
5 meter drop - the height of the tunnel.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 5:46 PM
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Giant sinkhole swallows van, causes chaos in downtown Ottawa

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: June 8, 2016 | Last Updated: June 8, 2016 6:57 PM EDT




An enormous sinkhole swallowed three lanes of Rideau Street Wednesday morning, consumed a parked van, forced the evacuation of the Rideau Centre and nearby hotels and businesses, and left Ottawa’s downtown core in a state of chaos that could continue for days to come.

City officials were reluctant to link the sinkhole to light rail tunnel construction happening two-dozen metres below, but whatever the cause, the effect is the indefinite shuttering of a key downtown intersection and the rerouting of dozens of OC Transpo and Gatineau STO buses that pick up thousands of commuters on Rideau Street every day.

The Rideau sinkhole is just east of the intersection with Colonel By Drive, but has shut down a number of downtown streets in the vicinity.

Wellington and Rideau was closed between southbound Elgin and Dalhousie, while Colonel By and Sussex Drive are closed between Daly Avenue and George Street. Northbound Elgin is also closed between Albert and Rideau.

And the Mackenzie Bridge between Waller and Elgin streets is closed to general traffic for the afternoon rush hour on Wednesday to accommodate extra buses rerouted off Rideau Street.

Residents are asked to avoid the area and transit riders told to prepare for delays.

“We just don’t know how long it’s going to take, it’s a significant sinkhole in the downtown core. It has a major impact on our largest retail shopping centre, one of our major hotels, as well as one of the busiest intersections and bus routes for both STO and OC Transpo,” Mayor Jim Watson said during an afternoon media briefing at Ottawa City Hall.

“Be prepared for delays because this could take some time.”

The mayor and Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury were to tour the site later in the day.

Pictures of the sunken-in roadway began circulating on social media at around 10:30 a.m., followed by reports to the city of a water main break and gas leak. A power outage in the area was also reported.

The Rideau Centre and surrounding buildings were evacuated immediately and remained closed to employees and the public for much of the day. The primary reason for those evacuations was a gas leak, that blanketed the downtown in a foul smell. The leak was soon repaired. The mall is expected to reopen Thursday morning.

Meanwhile, officials at city hall — who learned about the sinkhole during an otherwise uneventful city council meeting — scrambled to convene an emergency management meeting.

“All hands are on deck to make sure the site is secured and no harm is done to any individual,” the mayor told reporters after Wednesday morning’s council meeting ended.

No injuries were reported and everyone working in the LRT tunnel was accounted for, Watson said during the afternoon media briefing.

He added the city was putting all of its resources “towards determining the cause of the situation and to conduct the necessary repairs as quickly as possible.”

Many speculated about what role, if any, LRT tunnel construction may have played, but Watson said that wouldn’t be known for at least several days.

“We can’t confirm whether the tunnel had any impact on the sinkhole or whether it was a water main break or whether it was a leak of some type that destabilized the soil,” Watson said, noting the LRT tunnel is substantially below where the water main break occurred.

The tunnel was not affected by the sinkhole, though work was halted right away. There were no reports of water or debris falling into the tunnel.

Crews have finished digging out the future Rideau station cavern and were working on the final 50 metres of tunnel between Colonel By Drive and the Rideau Canal, said Steve Cripps, director of the city’s rail implementation office.

Digging in that area’s soft ground calls for a different tunnel design, different temporary support structures and even the hiring of a special adviser.

In rock, crews use a 135-tonne roadheader, a 20-metre long machine with a spiked fist at the front that punches away at the rock. But in clay and sand, they must use a smaller excavator, which takes smaller bites than the roadheader, and use more reinforcements.

Long before the city even put the LRT project up for tender, it knew about the soft ground beneath Rideau and paid for geotechnical work to understand the challenges posed by the formation known as the Rideau Valley.

Cripps says it’s too early to know if the soil conditions were a factor.

“We don’t really know if these soil conditions have caused this, it’s too early to speculate on the relationship between those soil conditions and the water main and what happened,” he said.

After the initial collapse, a second collapse, caught on camera by some eyewitnesses, swallowed a minivan.

There was no one in the van, which the city says belonged to a private citizen who was parked there and tried unsuccessfully to convince firefighters to let him move it before it was swallowed by the sinkhole.

With Ottawa set to host the North American leaders summit in a few weeks, the intersection of Rideau and Sussex could conceivably be part of the motorcade route.

Ottawa police Chief Charles Bordeleau said it’s “too early to tell” if that will have to change. “If we have to make adjustments to any motorcade routes, we will do so,” Bordeleau said.

Although this latest closure of Rideau Street may be a pain to many transit users, most drivers should already be accustomed to avoiding the area.

Rideau between Sussex and Dalhousie was closed to most vehicle traffic last August as part of LRT construction, while one lane in each direction was restricted to OC Transpo and STO buses, taxis, delivery vehicles and LRT construction vehicles.



http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...r-outage-forces-rideau-centre-evacuation

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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 5:59 PM
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And the van, too: https://twitter.com/TheSinkholeVan
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 11:09 PM
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The van (and some pretty nonchalant looking pedestrians):

     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 11:27 PM
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Massive sinkhole closes Rideau Street in downtown Ottawa
Rideau Centre mall, businesses evacuated and tourists asked to avoid area

CBC News Posted: Jun 08, 2016 10:47 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 08, 2016 7:18 PM ET


A giant sinkhole opened up next to a major shopping mall in downtown Ottawa on Wednesday, causing a gas leak, collapsing a street and forcing the evacuation of all nearby businesses.

The sinkhole appeared about 10:30 a.m. ET Wednesday near the corner of Rideau Street and Sussex Drive, at a light rail construction site next to the Rideau Centre, about two blocks east of the Château Laurier Hotel.

City officials say it was fortunate no one was hurt. But the formation of the sinkhole, so close to the LRT site, has led to questions about what caused a water main to break and collapse the road.

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson said at an emergency meeting of city officials it's unclear why the sinkhole formed.

"We hope to have that answer, obviously, in the next few days," Watson said.

"We just don't know how long it's going to take … it's a significant sinkhole in the downtown core," he said.



On Wednesday evening workers were pumping water out of the giant cavity in the road and filling it with concrete to stabilize the area and protect the foundations of adjacent buildings.

City Coun. Mathieu Fleury said it will be days if not weeks before the street is repaired.

Soon after forming, the sinkhole spread across the entirety of Rideau Street, stretching from the south sidewalk to the north sidewalk. A van parked on Rideau on the north side of the sidewalk, as well as a light standard, fell into the hole as it grew.

Tom Herlihy was on Rideau Street near the Château Laurier when he heard and smelled natural gas.

"A high-pressure natural gas line escaping is very distinct, it's a high-pressure whistle. You could smell it in the area immediately, and people were running away from it, you could tell something was amiss," he said.

Herlihy went to an upper floor of the Château Laurier to get a better look.

"I caught the hole expanding and the car falling in and the gas just roiling the water, causing the dirt underneath the street to erode and collapse. And it's really deep," he said.

Elaine Tamblyn-Watts was in a Victoria's Secret change room at the Rideau Centre when a siren rang and a voice told people in the mall to leave the building. She said the scale of the sinkhole surprised her.

"I can't believe the size of it, it's just a clear drop, the road just completely breaks," said Tamblyn-Watts.

Ottawa police are advising residents and tourists to avoid the area. Evacuated businesses include the Shaw Centre, a CIBC bank, a Chapters store and the Rideau Centre mall.

Anthony Di Monte, the city's emergency and protective services general manager, said in addition to the water main break, a gas leak also occurred, but both water and gas have since been shut off. Hydro Ottawa said as of 5 p.m. seven buildings were still without power.

Di Monte said with emergency workers mitigating damage and stabilizing the area, they haven't yet had a chance to investigate the cause.

"We don't have the basic information to formulate a plan yet for the next few days, " said Di Monte.

In the interim, the City of Ottawa said Ottawa public health is monitoring overall water quality, building code services are working with engineers on site to determine when it will be safe to re-enter buildings and city traffic managers and OC Transpo will be monitoring traffic in the downtown core.

The sinkhole formed near a construction site for Ottawa's light rail system, which is slated to be complete in 2018. The light rail system includes a tunnel and stations that cut underneath the downtown core.

Watson noted that the excavation work on the future Rideau Station was well below where the road collapsed.

Workers were excavating the last 50 metres of the station when the road fell in, said Steve Cripps, director of the city's rail implementation office.

The soil conditions in the area where the road collapsed were sandy and rocky, requiring extra precautions and different mining techniques, said Cripps.

"This is an area where they've done all the reasonable things," said Cripps.

He said it wasn't clear whether that work was connected to the collapse. The workers left the tunnel when the collapse happened and are all accounted for, he said.

Work on the light rail transit system in the area will be suspended until the cause of the sinkhole can be determined and any necessary precautions have been taken.

A construction update from last week said crews were doing waterproofing work, installing beams and rebar, and spraying concrete at the future station. A crane was also installed at the site for future work.

Before the sinkhole formed, the road was only open to buses and taxis.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/sinkhole-rideau-street-downtown-ottawa-1.3621949
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2016, 12:05 AM
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Time for a bridge over Rideau street.
     
     
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Time for a bridge over Rideau street.
Interestingly, there used to be a Canal connecting Rideau canal and Rideau river. Unfortunately it was buried long time ago.

     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2016, 3:42 AM
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A picture was published of the By-Wash down the centre of King Edward Avenue some time ago. I believe this was a former creek that was channelized and then finally filled in.

On another matter, the question was posed today on whether the ridership was expected to increase, decrease and stay the same with the opening the Confederation Line. There were some very sunny predictions in the early days of this project but now there is uncertainty about public reaction to the changes that will take place.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2016, 12:53 PM
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Time for a bridge over Rideau street.
Jim Watson agrees!

     
     
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I'm curious to know where all that material went prior to the collapse. That's huge amount of stuff, I doubt it was going into the tunnel as they would have seen it coming in for hours beforehand.
     
     
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