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Old Posted May 13, 2016, 1:45 AM
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i feel bad for the province in this really. if they raised the tax, everyone would be like "god damn stupid money grubbing TransLink/Province!" and it went to a vote "god damn stupid Province for putting it to a vote!" really, they cant win either way. in a democracy, the people get a say, just because you don't like what they say, the majority said it and that is how letting people vote works. it looks the least horrible to a government when they let the people have a say. just because the stupid people win, doesn't mean its the Provinces fault that most people are too stupid to see the big picture.

don't blame the Province for this, blame the people who VOTED NO.

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Odd how referenda aren't needed to impose tolls which have similar or worse impacts on certain segments on the population.
tolls are VERY different, i don't understand how you can't see that.

a Tax = every single person pays
a Toll = only the people benefiting pay

VERY DIFFERENT. huge difference. NOT THE SAME THINGS.
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Old Posted May 13, 2016, 7:35 AM
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tolls are VERY different, i don't understand how you can't see that.
Well, I could argue that most people in the Lower Mainland would benefit from improved transit and bridge improvements in the form of lower congestion and more mobility options. And the tax would have applied only to the Lower Mainland, so people who would pay are largely the people who would benefit.

And I could also point out that the Province doesn't seem to have any qualms about Translink raising funds through property tax increases. Why is an increase in property taxes fair game when an increase in the sales tax isn't?

The position of the Province seems very disingenuous to me.
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Old Posted May 13, 2016, 9:06 PM
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Well, I could argue that most people in the Lower Mainland would benefit from improved transit and bridge improvements in the form of lower congestion and more mobility options. And the tax would have applied only to the Lower Mainland, so people who would pay are largely the people who would benefit.

And I could also point out that the Province doesn't seem to have any qualms about Translink raising funds through property tax increases. Why is an increase in property taxes fair game when an increase in the sales tax isn't?

The position of the Province seems very disingenuous to me.
it doesn't matter what happens, it matter what it LOOKS like. that's politics. it indirectly does benefit everyone, but what it looks like is that a bunch of people are getting a free ride while others have to pay for them.

raising the Provincial Sales Tax, PST, makes the province do it and it falls back on those politicians. where as TransLink raising the property tax falls back on the Mayors/TransLink.

personally, i prefer the PST idea, it captures our billions of dollars in tourism. 0.005 x $1,000,000,000 = $5,000,000. that's a lot of tax dollars from people who don't live here. i think the PST increase is the best option for that exact reason.

people use the "it hurts poor people more." well that's not exactly true, people with a lower income do get a tax refund/break every year and it would offset the increase.

but i can understand why the Province put it to a vote, but they were in a lose/lose situation for them, but ultimately it is the people who voted no faults. they were too short sighted/selfish to see the big picture. everyone needs to stop bashing the Province about this because it wasn't their fault. in democracy, the majority has the say, sadly, the majority are short sighted, self centered, and not all that bright. one must be able to see and comprehend the big picture, and the majority of people aren't even aware of a big picture existing.
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Nevermind. Getting off-topic
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http://www.news1130.com/2016/05/13/delta-police-pattullo-bridge/
Delta Police running into some issues due to Pattullo Bridge maintenance work
May 13, 2016

“We’re noticing that the rush hour is actually being extended almost an hour because of these extra vehicles using the Alex Fraser,” says Delta Police Chief Neil Dubord.

“Overall, the volume is up, they say, about three per cent.”

He points out the line-ups on Nordel Way are getting incredibly long. “In the morning now, they’re stretching almost to Surrey, if you can believe it.”

Dubord says this is making it tougher for his officers to respond to calls.

“It creates a tremendous problem for our officers because instead of getting out to a service call — and usually they are 10 to 15 minutes — it’s taking us sometimes up to an hour to get through all the traffic and get to those service calls.”
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 2:31 PM
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Just checking the bridge cameras this morning and it is lined up past 128th. Why do people still choose to wait an extra 30 mins to cross the bridge with one lane north?
Is it worth the wasted time and gas? PM Tolls are cheaper than that.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2016, 8:20 PM
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TransLink is going to be holding open houses and online consultation from June 13 to July 11, discussing connection options on the north and south sides of the bridge. This will include road, bicycle lane, and pedestrian connections.
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Is it worth the wasted time and gas? PM Tolls are cheaper than that.
Tolls are for schmucks. I'll let the oblivious tourists and truckers pay for that bridge while I take another route into town. At worst I pay an extra $1.50 in gas.
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At best you pay another $1.50 in gas.

At worst you waste hours of your life.

All depends on what you value your time at I suppose.

Personally I think saving $2.50 by driving another half an hour is for 'schmucks'...
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At best you pay another $1.50 in gas.

At worst you waste hours of your life.

All depends on what you value your time at I suppose.

Personally I think saving $2.50 by driving another half an hour is for 'schmucks'...
Another $1.50 in gas? Dream on. I stopped using the Patullo completely and not only did my gas bill go way down, it covered the cost of the tolls and saved a huge amount of time not sitting in stop and go gridlock. However, each to his own....
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2016, 4:43 AM
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I had to be in Cloverdale for the last few weeks and took the Port Mann each time. No way it's worth going through New West for negligible savings.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2016, 6:33 AM
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At best you pay another $1.50 in gas.

At worst you waste hours of your life.

All depends on what you value your time at I suppose.

Personally I think saving $2.50 by driving another half an hour is for 'schmucks'...
The provincial Liberals can go eat some. I'm not paying to cross the damn bridge because people didn't like the idea of higher property taxes.
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TransLink is going to be holding open houses and online consultation from June 13 to July 11, discussing connection options on the north and south sides of the bridge. This will include road, bicycle lane, and pedestrian connections.
I wonder how similar they will be to the original plans shown years ago.

Also, every option on the Surrey side better include an interchange (and removal of existing lights west and east of the Pattullo, as was depicted years ago) with the SFPR.
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The provincial Liberals can go eat some. I'm not paying to cross the damn bridge because people didn't like the idea of higher property taxes.
Ummmm, you know losses from the bridge will be paid from general revenue right?
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I wonder how similar they will be to the original plans shown years ago.

Also, every option on the Surrey side better include an interchange (and removal of existing lights west and east of the Pattullo, as was depicted years ago) with the SFPR.
The original plans dealt mainly with road connections. I believe this round of public consultation will include more focus on bicycle and pedestrian connections.

Interesting note: New Westminster's current manager of transportation used to work for the City of Vancouver. She was largely responsible for the improvements made to the south end of the Burrard Street Bridge. She's actually bringing in some engineers from Vancouver to consult on the bicycle and pedestrian connections for the New West side of the Pattullo. The hope is that these improvements will not only improve pedestrian and bicycle connections coming off the Pattullo into New West, but also improve them for getting across New West by improving or adding to routes that are already there -- hopefully even including some kind of riverfront connection between Sapperton Landing and Pier Park!
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Another $1.50 in gas? Dream on. I stopped using the Patullo completely and not only did my gas bill go way down, it covered the cost of the tolls and saved a huge amount of time not sitting in stop and go gridlock. However, each to his own....
Like I said, 'at best'.

Unless you make about $4 an hour the toll you save, offset by the extra gas you burn, is not worth your time.

So by all means, go ahead and drive another 20 minutes to avoid the toll, if you value your time at less than half minimum wage...

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The provincial Liberals can go eat some. I'm not paying to cross the damn bridge because people didn't like the idea of higher property taxes.
To each their own...

Clearly some of us value their time on this planet very differently than others.
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I use the Port Mann everyday; I am saving a ton of time. But money? Yeah, no.
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http://www.translink.ca/pattulloreplacement

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The Pattullo Bridge Replacement Project will replace the existing and aging Pattullo Bridge with a new, four-lane, tolled, bridge.

From June 13 - July 11, 2016, have your say on the bridge connection options being considered in New Westminster and Surrey.
Input time!
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So they will release the options on the 13th I gather?

I am okay with 4 lanes on this bridge but the bridge approaches better be well designed and not involve traffic lights / at grade intersections. And the SFPR connection must be freeflow!
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So, four painted lanes or four real lanes wide? Short-sighted madness, if the latter. they just seem to love to underbuild stuff in here.
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