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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 3:28 AM
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I don't think there are any plans to connect it to the pedway network.
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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 3:30 AM
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I wonder how the Midtown Tavern has been doing since it moved from its old location?
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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 10:49 AM
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I feel like there is a selective memory about the time when it was the Herald building on this site.

To confirm: It was absolutely terrible... and all the patios were in the shade. It was like the pit before the Nova Centre... except an eyesore and completely dead zone.

Furthermore, the western site was like the current "twisted sisters" site.

Its probably the ideal situation for both lots.
I don't know why you're fixating on my question regarding the shade conditions caused by the Herald building.

FWIW, I knew the building and the street very well. In fact I almost worked out of that building many years ago until I decided to change my career path and not go into the print media industry (thankfully in retrospect). My question was merely based on the fact that when I, like many other university students, used to frequent Argyle St. on a weekly basis (for bar-hopping) there wasn't the proliferation of outdoor patios on the strip and thus I didn't care about nor did I pay attention to the shade conditions on the street (don't really care about it now, for that matter, other than when musing about how the street will look/function once the Nova Centre is complete).

My comparisons to the Herald bldg. stops right there, at shade conditions. I think it's pointless to compare the Herald bldg. to the Nova Centre as it was a throwback to another time - when many of Halifax's downtown streets were occupied by businesses more industrial in nature.

In that building, the Chronicle Herald/Mail Star was produced from start to finish, right from the reporters and columnists submitting their work for editing to printed newspapers leaving in trucks to be taken to the large green boxes in bundles for the paperboys to pick up for delivery. Yes, it was always a dead zone because the building was not supposed to relate to the public, other than to represent the business as an external presence. The Grafton street side was bordering the production area of the building and was thus completely blank - I can recall walking by there at night hearing the hum of newspaper production inside and smelling the fresh ink fumes being emitted from the vents near sidewalk level. For that matter the building had been vacated several years before the Nova Centre was built, creating even more of a dead zone from the perspective of our younger members or members who did not live in Halifax for many years.

So, I don't know why people would even consider comparing the Herald bldg. to the Nova Centre as it's like comparing apples to bacon.

However, I will say it again - the NC was started from a clean slate. Anything could have been built there to relate to the street and the neighbourhood as well as possible. The sky was the limit considering the size of the budget and the backing that this building had from the government. My concern was solely centred around whether it will be the best it can be for the street, and if half of the Argyle St. side is going to be a bank branch I'm not sure that it is a great fit for what arguably is the most vibrant stretch of road for nightlife in all of Halifax. But - it's not a decision that we have to make, so we will see what happens. I'm hoping for the best.

That's all.
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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 11:02 AM
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What was on the western block before?

Google Earth imagery only goes to 2003 and it was mostly a parking lot then except for a building in the northeast corner (is that the Midtown Tavern?)
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What was on the western block before?

Google Earth imagery only goes to 2003 and it was mostly a parking lot then except for a building in the northeast corner (is that the Midtown Tavern?)
My recollection is that the Grafton-Market block only had the Midtown property and the few old apartments attached to the tavern at the back of the building. The Midtown maintained a small parking lot in behind accessed from Market (I was never able to use it as it was always full when I tried) and the bulk of the block was a parking lot maintained by the Herald for their staff. Obviously at some point there were other older buildings on that block but I do not recall what they were or when they were removed. I would have been many years ago though.
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My recollection is that the Grafton-Market block only had the Midtown property and the few old apartments attached to the tavern at the back of the building. The Midtown maintained a small parking lot in behind accessed from Market (I was never able to use it as it was always full when I tried) and the bulk of the block was a parking lot maintained by the Herald for their staff. Obviously at some point there were other older buildings on that block but I do not recall what they were or when they were removed. I would have been many years ago though.
I have many fond memories of the old Midtown from my med school days - especially the shuffleboard table (and the steak and the beer).
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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 12:53 PM
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What was on the western block before?

Google Earth imagery only goes to 2003 and it was mostly a parking lot then except for a building in the northeast corner (is that the Midtown Tavern?)
As Keith says, the lots had been vacant for a very long time, perhaps since the 1970s. I believe there were a number of businesses there, including car repair shops and such.

If you want to look way back, here are some photos:



Large, zoomable version at:
https://novascotia.ca/archives/Notman/archives.asp?ID=502

The area is visible on the far left of this shot:


https://novascotia.ca/archives/Builtheritage/archives.asp?ID=131

The Herald building at the corner of Argyle and Sackville, 1961:


https://novascotia.ca/archives/NSIS/archives.asp?ID=1699

Argyle and Prince in 1928:


https://novascotia.ca/archives/Builtheritage/archives.asp?ID=22

Area to the left of the photo, 1888:


https://novascotia.ca/archives/Notman/archives.asp?ID=507

Edit: There's also this one from 1974.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/martigae/8935263492/in/album-72157632417839554/

I should also mention that you can actually survey the area pre-demolition circa 2009 on Google maps, for those interested:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6459283,-...g0ktPQYZhwHbx9ha6IKcQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Bing bird's-eye view:
http://binged.it/1WX6jDC

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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 7:45 PM
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If you want to look way back, here are some photos:



The Herald building at the corner of Argyle and Sackville, 1961:


https://novascotia.ca/archives/NSIS/archives.asp?ID=1699
/archives.asp?ID=22[/URL]
That's a great picture! Very Film Noir; I can imagine a Hitchcock thriller being set here.
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Here's another view that shows the Nova Centre block in 1955. Doesn't look like a whole lot there at that time, and it's also notable that the block that now houses the Prince George was empty at that time.



https://novascotia.ca/archives/NSIS/archives.asp?ID=730&Language=English
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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 9:18 PM
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I keep stumbling across them. Here is an aerial of the area viewed from the west. My best guess for timeline is the late 1950s.

It's interesting to note that the Herald Building that we typically think of as one building, was actually made up of several parts, apparently added or joined over time.



https://novascotia.ca/archives/NSIS/archives.asp?ID=1209&Language=English
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Old Posted May 31, 2016, 11:04 PM
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Man, that section of downtown was dismal even back then. Easy to see how the momentum for urban renewal picked up steam.
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Man, that section of downtown was dismal even back then. Easy to see how the momentum for urban renewal picked up steam.
Yeah, there were a lot of industrial smokestacks downtown in 1955, and by 1974 a lot of them were gone. It would have been tough to fight to preserve or restore those particular sites back then. "Hey, don't knock it down! People will love it in 50 years, just you wait and see!"
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Thanks for digging through the archives, Mark. Lends a great perspective.
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You can see the rear part of the NFB Building, now the Argyle, in that last photo. Originally it was 3 storeys tall on the Argyle side.

Overall it seems like the neighbourhood is nicer these days (something to keep in mind is that the city is much larger now than it was back then). One piece that's still missing is that the 2-storey bunker next to Maxwell's Plum needs to be replaced with something better that has some street-level interest.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2016, 9:44 AM
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I don't think there are any plans to connect it to the pedway network.
Not sure what the latest on this is. The last I heard the plan was to connect to the downtown link but there was dispute over what that would look like and who would pay.

But during the recent media tour of the facility, Joe Ramia made reference to pedway access:
Visitors will walk into the large lobby with a 60-foot wooden wall made of local materials, Ramia said, and either take wide escalators up to the Grafton Street plaza, use the meeting rooms on that first level, use the pedway system, or head down a floor to the main Convention Hall with 160-foot ceilings and a secondary hall adding up to 37,000 square feet of space.
- Haley Ryan, Metro Halifax, May 18, 2016
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2016, 5:25 PM
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Man, that section of downtown was dismal even back then. Easy to see how the momentum for urban renewal picked up steam.
True enough. From that perspective it's amazing that any of them survived.

That's why today I'm all for saving as many of them as possible, knowing that the momentum has shifted back to the old mindset...
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Thanks for digging through the archives, Mark. Lends a great perspective.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2016, 5:33 PM
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Very cool shot. Great perspective.
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