YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 462

sacrifice333 · #**9221** Posted **May 14, 2016, 4:04 PM**

Going forward, when Canada signs 2-city bi-laterals, it would make a lot more sense to have 1 Eastern city and 1 Western city, i.e. Toronto OR Montreal AND Vancouver OR Calgary. Seems a little redundant to have Toronto AND Montreal, for example and no Western gateways.

trofirhen · #**9222** Posted **May 14, 2016, 4:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by sacrifice333

Going forward, when Canada signs 2-city bi-laterals, it would make a lot more sense to have 1 Eastern city and 1 Western city, i.e. Toronto OR Montreal and Vancouver OR Calgary. Seems a little redundant to have Toronto AND Montreal, for example and no Western gateways.

The Toronto - Montreal duopoly is something engrained into the perceptions of many Canadian politicians and business leaders. Montreal was once the epicentre for Transatlantic travel,
and the two cities were cities for many decades before Vancouver evolved from being a raw-materials seaport economy. The people are back there; the votes are back there. And you gotta win Toronto if you're going to win an election.
The Montreal - Toronto dynamic has changed now, with Toronto very much at the centre of everything, including air traffic. Montreal's economy is self-sustaing, whereas Vancouver's is growing.
It's either just plain protectionist or just plain dumb if they won't award that third city. Meaning Vancouver, yes.

casper · #**9223** Posted **May 14, 2016, 8:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

The Toronto - Montreal duopoly is something engrained into the perceptions of many Canadian politicians and business leaders. Montreal was once the epicentre for Transatlantic travel,
and the two cities were cities for many decades before Vancouver evolved from being a raw-materials seaport economy. The people are back there; the votes are back there. And you gotta win Toronto if you're going to win an election.
The Montreal - Toronto dynamic has changed now, with Toronto very much at the centre of everything, including air traffic. Montreal's economy is self-sustaing, whereas Vancouver's is growing.
It's either just plain protectionist or just plain dumb if they won't award that third city. Meaning Vancouver, yes.

I think you be reading more into it than there is. It is likely that Canada offered two cities leaving it up to the airline to pick the two cities it would service.

All said, Turkish would be an excellent addition to YVR. Given it is an Air Canada partner it should make connections fairly easy.

Canadian74 · #**9224** Posted **May 14, 2016, 8:39 PM**

Would rather hope for DXB on EK than Turkish to IST. EK has better connections to India and better service. Also more people would probably want to visit Dubai I imagine

teriyaki · #**9225** Posted **May 14, 2016, 9:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian74

Would rather hope for DXB on EK than Turkish to IST. EK has better connections to India and better service. Also more people would probably want to visit Dubai I imagine

Personally, I find TK much more interesting as a destination and as a connection point than EK with DXB.

jmt18325 · #**9226** Posted **May 14, 2016, 11:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian74

Would rather hope for DXB on EK than Turkish to IST. EK has better connections to India and better service. Also more people would probably want to visit Dubai I imagine

Isn't Istanbul one of the world's top tourist destinations? And doesn't Vancouver now have a (seasonal) direct route to India's capital city?

Canadian74 · #**9227** Posted **May 15, 2016, 2:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

Isn't Istanbul one of the world's top tourist destinations? And doesn't Vancouver now have a (seasonal) direct route to India's capital city?

only 3 weekly and seasonal. EK has 1 stop connections to much smaller cities in India and many other surrounding countries

But Turkish probably has a much more higher probability of actually starting YVR in the near future for various reasons.

ShawnShank · #**9228** Posted **May 17, 2016, 3:37 AM**

EVA taking 747-400 off YVR starting March 26th, 2017 (replaced by 777-300ER)

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/267031/eva-air-s17-vancouver-operation-changes/

Not surprising (especially considering the EVA air ads with the 77W displayed on the Canada Line), but good to know exact dates nonetheless

Waders · #**9229** Posted **May 19, 2016, 5:05 AM**

Video of Airbus A380 aborting landing at Vancouver International Airport goes viral

What does the following sentence mean?

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It appears the aircraft flared a little too early, which caused it to catch some ground effect.

Also how long is the runway at VYR? Is it a bit too short for A380?

casper · #**9230** Posted **May 19, 2016, 5:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

Video of Airbus A380 aborting landing at Vancouver International Airport goes viral

What does the following sentence mean?

Also how long is the runway at VYR? Is it a bit too short for A380?

I am not a pilot, but I have sat in the co-pilot seat seat a few times on private aircrafts (played with one of CAE little simulators once of twice). There are others that will give a better definition but this is mine....

Flare is when it tilts up to land on its back wheels. Wikipedia definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_flare

As for the runway It is 11,500 or 9,900 depending on runway. Those are good size runways for an airport at sea level. Sounds like the pilot was just slightly off and decided the safest things was a go around.

LeftCoaster · #**9231** Posted **May 20, 2016, 9:58 PM**

Bit of good and bad news, BA has rescheduled the A380 for Vancouver next summer but it starts a month later. Nice to see the beast returning but hopefully the later start is a sign of a scheduling issue not weakness in the route.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...anges-as-of-18may16/?highlight=Vancouver

casper · #**9232** Posted **May 22, 2016, 4:25 AM**

Interesting article from the CBC (reprinted by Yahoo).....
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-tourists-flocking-paris-222200122.html

Basic numbers quoted:

Visitors are up from several key markets:

- France up 51.6%
- Mexico up 45.2%
- U.S. up 20.1%
- Japan up 13.3%
- South Korea up 10.1%
- China up 7.8%
- Germany up 6.2%
- Australia up 4.7%
- India up 2.5%

Interesting the Paris and Mexico flights are obviously helping. Odd I would have expected the China number to be a bit higher.
- United Kingdom up 1.1%

Klazu · #**9233** Posted **May 24, 2016, 3:47 AM**

All kind of crazy flying these days. Well done, Lufthansa.

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CBC: Unruly smoker forces Vancouver-bound Lufthansa flight to divert to Hamburg

A Vancouver-bound Lufthansa flight was forced to divert from Munich to Hamburg after a passenger's erratic behavior threatened safety, according to a fellow passenger.

Lufthansa officials confirmed that flight LH476 was diverted to Hamburg where the passenger was removed.

Hamburg police confirmed that a rescue crew, including a doctor, met the man and diagnosed him with a mental disorder. He was taken to a local psychiatric facility. There is no active police investigation into the incident.

"It was reported that there was a man in the back of the plane screaming and yelling and apparently tried to open the back door of the aircraft at 38,000 feet," said passenger Dan Iosch of Vancouver, who at the time was seated in first class.

"Apparently at the beginning of the flight he was being a little difficult, but they decided to take off, " said Iosch, who said he listened to the drama unfold over the in-flight announcements.

Air emergencies: Are airlines telling you what you need to know?

"I guess once we got in the air he got more and more agitated and he tried to light up a cigarette. He was yelling and screaming," said Iosch, who watched as the man was forcefully escorted from the Airbus A340-600 by paramedics and other officials.

The flight's arrival in Vancouver was delayed by three hours. Despite the delayed trip, Iosch praised the captain.

"The captain was amazing. He had everything in hand and he was calm, but he redirected the plane to Hamburg immediately and we were cleared in straight away," he said.

Iosch said he was returning from Switzerland where his friends won third place at the Volleyball World Championship, and didn't expect so much excitement on the way home.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...unich-germany-hamburg-diverted-1.3595838

aberdeen5698 · #**9234** Posted **May 24, 2016, 4:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

What does the following sentence mean?

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It appears the aircraft flared a little too early, which caused it to catch some ground effect.

The flare is the maneuver that a pilot does during landing in order to slow the aircraft and set it gently down onto the runway. By pulling the nose up it increases the drag of the aircraft, which slows it down. As the wing's angle of attack increases it will eventually stall and loose lift. So to land the aircraft the pilot descends until the aircraft is only a short distance above the runway, the flies horizontally above it while pulling nose higher and higher. The aircraft slows, stalls, and settles onto the runway, at which point the pilot deploys lift-killing devices on the wings and engages reverse thrust to assist in braking.

Ground effect occurs when the aircraft is close to the ground. When the air passing underneath the wing is compressed between the wing and the ground it gives more lift to the aircraft, which can delay the stall and cause the aircraft to travel a lot further down the runway before it actually lands. That's what appears to have happened in the video.

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Also how long is the runway at VYR? Is it a bit too short for A380?

Well if it was too short then they wouldn't be trying to land there. The north runway is 9940 feet long, so I have to assume that it's long enough for the A380 at whatever landing weight it happened to be. But there's probably not a whole lot of extra distance available, so if those wheels aren't on the ground where they're supposed to be then a go-around is of course the smart thing to do.

trofirhen · #**9235** Posted **May 24, 2016, 11:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Interesting article from the CBC (reprinted by Yahoo).....
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-tourists-flocking-paris-222200122.html

Basic numbers quoted:

Visitors are up from several key markets:

- France up 51.6%
- Mexico up 45.2%
- U.S. up 20.1%
- Japan up 13.3%
- South Korea up 10.1%
- China up 7.8%
- Germany up 6.2%
- Australia up 4.7%
- India up 2.5%

Interesting the Paris and Mexico flights are obviously helping. Odd I would have expected the China number to be a bit higher.
- United Kingdom up 1.1%

Personally, I'm thrilled that the French number increase tops the list at nearly 52%.
And it's not just the weaker CAD$ against the Euro, or the Germany figures would be much higher. It's the new YVR-CDG service (and the fact that
many French love to come here. Vancouver, having been on tourist TV shows for many years, is surprisingly well-known here in France).

LeftCoaster · #**9236** Posted **May 30, 2016, 10:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Some route cuts to the US.

AA terminates PHX-YYC
UA terminates YEG-ORD/SFO and YUL-IAH (latter taken over by AC)
DL terminates JFK-YHZ as of October and reduces JFK-YQB from 2 to 1 daily.
RV delays start of seasonal YYZ-HNL to December 25 and cuts its down to 1x weekly compared to 2x weekly last year (clearly a sign the route is struggling)
PD reduces PIT-YTZ to 1 daily during the summer.

Some good news too. AA increasing LAX-YVR to double daily in January, UA increasing DEN-YVR to 3 daily in October. Overall, huge cuts, especially from UA during the last 2 years.

I hear UA is also cutting IAH-LOS, meaning no more Africa service on their behalf. So that's 2 oil routes being cut.

Some more good news coming from the Canada section. Big cuts to Canada from US carriers but YVR managed to avoid the cuts entirely and actually saw an increase in service (YVR-DEN going from 2x daily to 3x daily in the winter).

It's been pretty quiet on the new routes front of late, but I guess most airlines are completely locked in for 2016 and now just assessing the new/current routes and determining 2017 plans. Only one I still expect to hear something on is Tianjin, but who knows with an airline like that.

Johnny Aussie · #**9237** Posted **May 30, 2016, 10:06 PM**

Next week (well the next 10 days) is a busy time for YVR with a few route launches....

And it all kicks off on 1 June with the launch of nonstop BNE flights:

AC to BNE 1 June 788
AC to SAN 2 June rouge 319
AC to ORD 4 June E90
AC to DUB 10 June rouge 763

Johnny Aussie · #**9238** Posted **May 31, 2016, 2:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Some more good news coming from the Canada section. Big cuts to Canada from US carriers but YVR managed to avoid the cuts entirely and actually saw an increase in service (YVR-DEN going from 2x daily to 3x daily in the winter).

It's been pretty quiet on the new routes front of late, but I guess most airlines are completely locked in for 2016 and now just assessing the new/current routes and determining 2017 plans. Only one I still expect to hear something on is Tianjin, but who knows with an airline like that.

Yeah it has been quiet... A lot of the previously announced flights are coming online in the next 2 weeks. Xiamen and Delhi the next big ones to come but DEL still way off. Also the KE 748 and second daily LHR on AC starting up soon...

There is of course the risk of too much too soon. I'm sure all the new services and upgauges (and we know there have been plenty) will be scrutinised and also the effect they will have on current routes. Hopefully YVR can absorb it all.

LeftCoaster · #**9239** Posted **May 31, 2016, 9:32 PM**

I feel as though they can. It's a huge amount of growth but the economic numbers coming out of BC and in particular Vancouver are just bonkers.

Over 76,000 new jobs over the past 12 months in Vancouver alone. That's a 6% YoY growth rate...

Combine that with the big spikes we are seeing in tourism and large amount of HNW immigration I think we will see strong absorption of new seats this year with more announced next year.

Johnny Aussie · #**9240** Posted **May 31, 2016, 9:35 PM**

Air China adding back more capacity to PEK.

CA997/998 (the additional flight) will now be operated with a 333 instead of a 332. CA's 333s have almost the same capacity as their 77Ws. This flight will also operate daily for longer this summer than last.

Then there is the addition of a third flight (CA631/632) on days 2,4,6 from 16 August to 6 September.

So with the upgauge of 997/998, double daily for longer and the addition of 631/632 capacity this summer will actually be higher than last summer now.

Also AC increasing capacity on YVR-PEK to the HD 400 seater.