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CherryCreek · #**8361** Posted **May 26, 2016, 5:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by RyanD

999 17th Street:

Given their central downtown location, surprised they didn't elect to put in 3-4 levels of underground parking also.

wong21fr · #**8362** Posted **May 26, 2016, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier

Obvious question: When they put in the A Train, did they add more power to the network? Because if they didn't then there's a chance that the power needs are at or exceeding the network's generation capacity.

It's the first goddamn train on the network. There wasn't a network there before (since the lightrail network is totally separate). So, it's all new infrastructure.

TakeFive · #**8363** Posted **May 26, 2016, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by wong21fr

It's the first goddamn train on the network. There wasn't a network there before (since the lightrail network is totally separate). So, it's all new infrastructure.

I think he picked up on my "spreading" comment w/o checking the link to see that it was about an electrical outage in Seattle.

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Originally Posted by CherryCreek

Given their central downtown location, surprised they didn't elect to put in 3-4 levels of underground parking also.

Isn't this the same developer that built CoBank's new HQ with structural concerns?

COtoOC · #**8364** Posted **May 26, 2016, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by CherryCreek

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Housing starts in metro Denver, as measured by Metrostudy, are now at their highest level since 2007, and Covert expects the pace to quicken and that builders will complete 10,000 new homes this year. He called 10,000 homes an important milestone, but it is only half the number metro builders achieved during the peak of the housing boom last decade. It also remains far short of what is needed to keep pace with the region’s population growth.

It's amazing that in the face of one of the biggest booms in Denver history and some of the sharpest rises in housing prices in the country, the market has been so, so slow to to respond and build new single family homes. Even now, the response lags.

I've heard from two builders in Stapleton that they would build more houses, but they just can't fine enough workers. I have no clue if they've offered more pay, or what's going on. Or if they rely on undocumented workers... and the numbers of undoc. workers coming from Mexico has slowed significantly since the recession. Just wondering.

Robert.hampton · #**8365** Posted **May 26, 2016, 5:52 PM**

Rendering of a row of townhomes going before review board at 24th and stout in Arapahoe Square: https://www.denvergov.org/content/dam/de...nts/Stout_24_AS_Design_Reviewreduced.pdf

Depending on materials they could end up looking quite nice. These, the rowhomes at 24th and Welton, and the Brownstones at 25th and Washington are some of the more thoughtful project out there right now. A welcome relief from the equivalent shit going up all over RiNO and Jefferson Park.

enjo13 · #**8366** Posted **May 26, 2016, 6:02 PM**

I know we're supposed to be rooting for big giant skyscrapers in Arapahoe Square, but I want a whole damn neighborhood of those ^^^. Throw in another pocket park and I'd be pretty happy.

TakeFive · #**8367** Posted **May 26, 2016, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by enjo13

I know we're supposed to be rooting for big giant skyscrapers in Arapahoe Square, but I want a whole damn neighborhood of those ^^^. Throw in another pocket park and I'd be pretty happy.

Or you could just look to Five points and buy an older home with 929 SF for $446,000, which equates to $480 per square foot.

Photo per Denver Real Estate Watch

I know, not exactly what you meant but These Prices!

Cirrus · #**8368** Posted **May 26, 2016, 7:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by TakeFive

Or you could just look to Five points and buy an older home with 929 SF for $446,000, which equates to $480 per square foot.

It's the land that's valuable, not the house. The fact that it's 926sf is meaningless.

hammersklavier · #**8369** Posted **May 26, 2016, 8:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by wong21fr

It's the first goddamn train on the network. There wasn't a network there before (since the lightrail network is totally separate). So, it's all new infrastructure.

I'm talking about the power generation. Your light rail runs on trolley wire, yes? So then they need a power generation network. You can feed trolley wire and catenary from the same power plants, they just need different substations 'n stuff.

The point is, if you added the new line without adding a power plant to go with it, that might be the cause of your brownout problems.

comoneymaker · #**8370** Posted **May 26, 2016, 8:28 PM**

Noticed the row homes on Lincoln East side between 10th and 9th are fenced off and looks ready for demo. Do we know what is going in here?

wong21fr · #**8371** Posted **May 26, 2016, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier

I'm talking about the power generation. Your light rail runs on trolley wire, yes? So then they need a power generation network. You can feed trolley wire and catenary from the same power plants, they just need different substations 'n stuff.

The point is, if you added the new line without adding a power plant to go with it, that might be the cause of your brownout problems.

They added two two new substations to provide power to the line and the concessionaire has an agreement with the local utility, Xcel Energy, to purchase power off of the existing grid. So a lack of generating capacity shouldn't be an issue. Is it really a thing that other transit systems have their own power generating stations? Seems terribly inefficient.

The problem might be that our commuter rail network uses 25K 60hz AC current, not DC, and it sounds as if there might be some teething issues there.

Josefk · #**8372** Posted **May 26, 2016, 9:46 PM**

Hi all. I've lurked this board for a bit and decided to join.

Anyways i noticed that they seem to be prepping the lot west of the glass house (18th and little raven). Does anyone know if those denver infill renderings are final? Because the colors they used in that rendering are an affront to the eyes.

PLANSIT · #**8373** Posted **May 26, 2016, 9:50 PM**

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PLANSIT · #**8374** Posted **May 26, 2016, 10:08 PM**

Nm

comoneymaker · #**8375** Posted **May 26, 2016, 10:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Josefk

Hi all. I've lurked this board for a bit and decided to join.

Anyways i noticed that they seem to be prepping the lot west of the glass house (18th and little raven). Does anyone know if those denver infill renderings are final? Because the colors they used in that rendering are an affront to the eyes.

Would not surprise me. Most of the stuff going up over there is total junk and a waste of some the most valuable real estate in Denver.

enjo13 · #**8376** Posted **May 26, 2016, 11:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by comoneymaker

Noticed the row homes on Lincoln East side between 10th and 9th are fenced off and looks ready for demo. Do we know what is going in here?

I'm curious as well. I feel like those have been fenced off for quite awhile now.

EngiNerd · #**8377** Posted **May 26, 2016, 11:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by comoneymaker

Would not surprise me. Most of the stuff going up over there is total junk and a waste of some the most valuable real estate in Denver.

But its so pretty....

http://www.studiopba.com/amli-riverfront-green

bunt_q · #**8378** Posted **May 26, 2016, 11:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cirrus

It's the land that's valuable, not the house. The fact that it's 926sf is meaningless.

No it isn't. That's the house. You can't really redevelop it, so the land is worthless. That's just what a 900 sf house costs here.

bunt_q · #**8379** Posted **May 26, 2016, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Robert.hampton

Rendering of a row of townhomes going before review board at 24th and stout in Arapahoe Square: https://www.denvergov.org/content/dam/de...nts/Stout_24_AS_Design_Reviewreduced.pdf

Depending on materials they could end up looking quite nice. These, the rowhomes at 24th and Welton, and the Brownstones at 25th and Washington are some of the more thoughtful project out there right now. A welcome relief from the equivalent shit going up all over RiNO and Jefferson Park.

Anybody have any info on sales? I am sure it's double, maybe triple, what I can afford. But I used to live right across the street from these. Would go back in a heartbeat if I wouldn't have to sell vital organs to do so.

comoneymaker · #**8380** Posted **May 27, 2016, 12:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

No it isn't. That's the house. You can't really redevelop it, so the land is worthless. That's just what a 900 sf house costs here.

No it is the land. Is a old duplex worth 650k in Wash Park? No. But if you buy it demo it and build a huge house, then the lot and house becomes worth 1.2 mill even though the construction only cost 300k.

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Den...,39.672643,-104.993356_rect/14_zm/0_mmm/