HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #8321  
Old Posted May 24, 2016, 9:17 PM
CherryCreek's Avatar
CherryCreek CherryCreek is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Denver
Posts: 897
Quote:
Originally Posted by bunt_q View Post
According to February 9 estimates, RTD light rail has 140,000 train boardings.
Plus the Seattle numbers included an airport connection - easily one of the best use cases for public transport in almost any City. Denver's did not.

The early numbers for Denver Airport train were 15,000 per day. I think that number will increase, particularly during peak convention time. We will see what the first 6 month and 12 month periods average out to.
     
     
  #8322  
Old Posted May 24, 2016, 9:42 PM
enjo13 enjo13 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Riverfront Park (Denver)
Posts: 1,833
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanD View Post
Oh mall shuttles. While attended Transit Alliance, Nate from RTD said that if you were to take the shuttles away from 16th Street Mall, it would be a nightmare getting reliable service on the 15/17th street corridors because of traffic (you'd need a dedicated lane) and that the mall would die because of what the mall is: a transit corridor. I was actually the one who asked the question about what he / RTD thinks about taking the shuttles off, and he just laughed it away basically saying it's not gonna happen.
If RTD opposes it then I'm even more sure it's a good idea

I like the compromise of dedicating a lane on 15th to the shuttle and running them in a loop on 16th/15th. I'd really just like to accomplish two things on 16th First open up the sidewalks for more uses (like patio's), right now the mall is more walking path than destination (which is admittedly useful in its own right).

The bigger one: I'd like to provide more separation between pedestrians and the busses. When you look at the Downtown Partnership data you see that people don't feel real safe on the mall. That mostly falls on the homeless, but I think that underneath that the busses are the real culprit. People are sort of constantly interacting with those giant things at a real up close and personal level and it just makes the whole thing feel rather unsafe. It's easy to fall into pedestrian only mode only to be rudely woken up by a bus barreling towards you.

Although we're in danger of rehashing this conversation for the 1000th time so I'll just leave it there
     
     
  #8323  
Old Posted May 24, 2016, 10:02 PM
EngiNerd's Avatar
EngiNerd EngiNerd is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Englewood, CO
Posts: 2,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by CherryCreek View Post
Plus the Seattle numbers included an airport connection - easily one of the best use cases for public transport in almost any City. Denver's did not.

The early numbers for Denver Airport train were 15,000 per day. I think that number will increase, particularly during peak convention time. We will see what the first 6 month and 12 month periods average out to.
Except this won't help if it becomes a regular occurrence.

Quote:
Bus shuttles are in place at all A-Line stations due to a power loss, RTD tweeted Tuesday afternoon.

The power loss was first reported by RTD at around 3:20 p.m. There’s no word yet for when service will be restored.

The bus shuttles are in place at all of the A-Line stations.

Passengers should expect delays.
http://www.9news.com/traffic/power-loss-along-a-line-buses-in-place/213817870
__________________
"The engineer is the key figure in the material progress of the world. It is his engineering that makes a reality of the potential value of science by translating scientific knowledge into tools, resources, energy and labor to bring them into the service of man. To make contributions of this kind the engineer requires the imagination to visualize the need of society and to appreciate what is possible as well as the technological and broad social age understanding to bring his vision to reality."
     
     
  #8324  
Old Posted May 24, 2016, 10:07 PM
COtoOC's Avatar
COtoOC COtoOC is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO (Stapleton)
Posts: 1,222
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanD View Post
Bahahaha even being married now, I still can't afford anything here.



I'm a horrible person I know. I married into love vs. co-signing mortgages and owning property.



I would love to see all the freight traffic run on this magical boulevard they are envisioning. That wouldn't be obnoxious at all. I'm just imagining all of the semi traffic you see today on 70 and putting it on a Monaco Pkwy / 6th Ave Pkwy type road. I'm sure the neighborhoods would love that. Not to mention the train freight yard which would run right at the stub end of their public area / plaza master plan. So trains, semis and a whole hell of a lot of traffic. I would like to think they are thinking things through but I just don't see much of the logic in the grand boulevard plan given what's along that corridor.

I honestly don't care what they do but whatever happens it's going to piss someone off. Like I keep saying, it's going to be a hilarious day when CDOT gives everyone the middle finger and just rebuilds the viaduct. Everybody loses and you gotta use those bridge enterprise funds somewhere!

Oh mall shuttles. While attended Transit Alliance, Nate from RTD said that if you were to take the shuttles away from 16th Street Mall, it would be a nightmare getting reliable service on the 15/17th street corridors because of traffic (you'd need a dedicated lane) and that the mall would die because of what the mall is: a transit corridor. I was actually the one who asked the question about what he / RTD thinks about taking the shuttles off, and he just laughed it away basically saying it's not gonna happen.

My thoughts exactly on the 70 project. You wouldn't have people taking 270 up to 25 and then back down to downtown. People take the shortest route. And if you attempted the "grand boulevard", another group of NIBYs would step up and whine about making 270 ten lanes wide. It's just not the same thing as other cities where they've removed freeways (like the Embarcadero Fwy. in SF).
     
     
  #8325  
Old Posted May 24, 2016, 11:38 PM
comoneymaker's Avatar
comoneymaker comoneymaker is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wash park Hood!(Denver)
Posts: 2,459
Since the train to DIA opened I have seen 3 people say they will never take the train again due to malfunctions making them miss their flight. One was just yesterday saying, "Warning everyone in DENVER! Got on the new train at 3:15am and it lost power from 3:25-5:45 and we could NOT get off! Caused us to miss our flight. This has been the WORST travel experience being held on a train where you could have clearly gotten off but they "wouldn't" open the door is insane! "


Anyone else heard of problems like this?
__________________
I love Denver
     
     
  #8326  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 12:16 AM
CherryCreek's Avatar
CherryCreek CherryCreek is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Denver
Posts: 897
Quote:
Originally Posted by comoneymaker View Post
Since the train to DIA opened I have seen 3 people say they will never take the train again due to malfunctions making them miss their flight. One was just yesterday saying, "Warning everyone in DENVER! Got on the new train at 3:15am and it lost power from 3:25-5:45 and we could NOT get off! Caused us to miss our flight. This has been the WORST travel experience being held on a train where you could have clearly gotten off but they "wouldn't" open the door is insane! "


Anyone else heard of problems like this?
There were newspaper reports in the first couple weeks of this problem. I don't download iOS updates or try new trains for a few weeks or longer after the initial rollout, just to make sure the kinks are worked out.
     
     
  #8327  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 12:31 AM
mhays mhays is offline
Never Dell
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 21,092
I'm impressed that the train operates at 3:15 am! Seattle's starts at 5:30 or so.
__________________
"Alot" has never been a word.
     
     
  #8328  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 12:38 AM
enjo13 enjo13 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Riverfront Park (Denver)
Posts: 1,833
Quote:
Originally Posted by comoneymaker View Post
Since the train to DIA opened I have seen 3 people say they will never take the train again due to malfunctions making them miss their flight. One was just yesterday saying, "Warning everyone in DENVER! Got on the new train at 3:15am and it lost power from 3:25-5:45 and we could NOT get off! Caused us to miss our flight. This has been the WORST travel experience being held on a train where you could have clearly gotten off but they "wouldn't" open the door is insane! "


Anyone else heard of problems like this?
Happened today, a bunch of folks got stuck on the bridge over Pena. I have no doubt flights were missed.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/05/24/power-loss-shuts-down-a-line-train-to-dia/

Between the frequent power outages and signal crossing issues, the initial rollout is..uhm..unimpressive.
     
     
  #8329  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 12:57 AM
comoneymaker's Avatar
comoneymaker comoneymaker is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wash park Hood!(Denver)
Posts: 2,459
Yea 9news just did a piece

http://www.9news.com/traffic/power-loss-along-a-line-buses-in-place/213817870



CherryCreek- I would say what do you mean beace they test run them for like 6 months... lol. I drive or cab anyway cause it most cases it is cheaper and quicker.
__________________
I love Denver
     
     
  #8330  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 1:59 AM
TakeFive's Avatar
TakeFive TakeFive is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,377
What is going on in Denver????

The brand new CoBank headquarters office tower temporarily closed after opening due to structural concerns.
__________________
Cool... Denver has reached puberty.
     
     
  #8331  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 5:31 AM
Cirrus's Avatar
Cirrus Cirrus is offline
cities|transit|croissants
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 18,718
Quote:
Originally Posted by bunt_q View Post
According to February 9 estimates, RTD light rail has 140,000 train boardings.
That's both boardings and alightings. It's double counting. Here's the data from RTD for 1st quarter 2016. 160,000 boardings+alightings. 80,000 boardings.

80,000 boardings aligns pretty closely with APTA's 2015 4th quarter ridership report, which says 77,000/day unlinked trips for RTD light rail.
__________________
writing | twitter | bluesky | flickr | instagram | ssp photo threads
     
     
  #8332  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 5:38 AM
PLANSIT's Avatar
PLANSIT PLANSIT is offline
ColoRADo
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Denver
Posts: 2,317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cirrus View Post
That's both boardings and alightings. It's double counting. Here's the data from RTD for 1st quarter 2016. 160,000 boardings+alightings. 80,000 boardings.

80,000 boardings aligns pretty closely with APTA's 2015 4th quarter ridership report, which says 77,000/day unlinked trips for RTD light rail.
February 9th was the Broncos parade. Bunt was trolling.
     
     
  #8333  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 10:47 AM
TakeFive's Avatar
TakeFive TakeFive is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,377
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLANSIT View Post
February 9th was the Broncos parade. Bunt was trolling.
...and no different from idiot206 who apparently used a couple of unusual peak days as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cirrus View Post
That's both boardings and alightings. It's double counting. Here's the data from RTD for 1st quarter 2016. 160,000 boardings+alightings. 80,000 boardings.

80,000 boardings aligns pretty closely with APTA's 2015 4th quarter ridership report, which says 77,000/day unlinked trips for RTD light rail.
Well that's interesting data to have access to. Curious as to the Monday-Thursdays data instead of Friday? Is that an industry standard or just RTD's approach?

So Nine Mile is the 1st and busiest non-downtown station (including I-25/Broadway) listed although Southmoor is right behind and then Colorado and Englewood (all listed 7-10 busiest) before going back downtown. Lincoln has good traffic as well. Wadsworth and Federal are the 1st two stations on the W Line at 19 and 20th; Jeffco has a respectable number of riders. Mineral, end of SW Line, one of the older stations ranks as the 5th busiest non-core city station at 13th.

Good stuff.
__________________
Cool... Denver has reached puberty.
     
     
  #8334  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 2:52 PM
bunt_q's Avatar
bunt_q bunt_q is offline
Provincial Bumpkin
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 13,203
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLANSIT View Post
February 9th was the Broncos parade. Bunt was trolling.
Well trolling is a bit harsh. It was a joke. Glad somebody picked up on it.
     
     
  #8335  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 2:56 PM
bunt_q's Avatar
bunt_q bunt_q is offline
Provincial Bumpkin
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 13,203
So all of the southeast light rail lines were closed this morning (or at least didn't re-open until just after 8:00am). More shuttle buses... Apparently this time it was because a pedestrian got hit at 4:00am at the Louisiana/Pearl station.

I am sorry to sound crass. But there are no pedestrian crossings at that station. There are no pedestrians at 4:00am. That individual, whoever he was, was either a drunk/drugged out idiot, or a suicide. Either way, you move the damn body and re-open the line. F*** the investigation, the "why" isn't that important, not worth inconveniencing 50,000 commuters, and shouldn't take 4 hours. (Didn't inconvenience me any, but it's the principle. We would never allow I-25 to close entirely from 4-8am because an idiot walked out on the interstate. Why is it okay to do the same for a rail line?)
     
     
  #8336  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 3:08 PM
DenverInfill's Avatar
DenverInfill DenverInfill is offline
mmmm... infillicious!
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Lower Highland, Denver
Posts: 3,357
Quote:
Originally Posted by comoneymaker View Post
Since the train to DIA opened I have seen 3 people say they will never take the train again due to malfunctions making them miss their flight. One was just yesterday saying, "Warning everyone in DENVER! Got on the new train at 3:15am and it lost power from 3:25-5:45 and we could NOT get off! Caused us to miss our flight. This has been the WORST travel experience being held on a train where you could have clearly gotten off but they "wouldn't" open the door is insane! "


Anyone else heard of problems like this?
Clearly those people are idiots. Sometimes, things malfunction, particularly with a new facility. That's like saying "I'm never going to drive or ride in a car again because one time my car broke down."
__________________
~ Ken

DenverInfill Blog
DenverUrbanism
     
     
  #8337  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 3:27 PM
mhays mhays is offline
Never Dell
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 21,092
Quote:
Originally Posted by bunt_q View Post
So all of the southeast light rail lines were closed this morning (or at least didn't re-open until just after 8:00am). More shuttle buses... Apparently this time it was because a pedestrian got hit at 4:00am at the Louisiana/Pearl station.

I am sorry to sound crass. But there are no pedestrian crossings at that station. There are no pedestrians at 4:00am. That individual, whoever he was, was either a drunk/drugged out idiot, or a suicide. Either way, you move the damn body and re-open the line. F*** the investigation, the "why" isn't that important, not worth inconveniencing 50,000 commuters, and shouldn't take 4 hours. (Didn't inconvenience me any, but it's the principle. We would never allow I-25 to close entirely from 4-8am because an idiot walked out on the interstate. Why is it okay to do the same for a rail line?)
Amen to that!
__________________
"Alot" has never been a word.
     
     
  #8338  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 3:37 PM
Alchemist Alchemist is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by CherryCreek View Post
Of course since these are metro wide public transport systems, metro density might be a better measure.

Best numbers I see is the Seattle metro at around 600 per/sq mi and Denver around 300.
A more accurate metric to look at would be the density of urbanized areas. Metropolitan Statistical Areas are based off of counties, which in Denver’s case, includes some very large counties where maybe a third of their respective areas would really be considered part of the metro area. ‘Urbanized areas’ are defined as "a densely settled core of census tracts and/or census blocks that meet minimum population density requirements, along with adjacent territory containing non-residential urban land uses as well as territory with low population density included to link outlying densely settled territory with the densely settled core.” Based off of 2010 data, Seattle’s urbanized area has a density of 3,028 whereas Denver’s is 3,554. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_areas
     
     
  #8339  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 3:49 PM
Agent Orange Agent Orange is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,821
Quote:
Originally Posted by CherryCreek View Post
Best numbers I see is the Seattle metro at around 600 per/sq mi and Denver around 300.

Sounds about right if you've spent much time between the two metros.
I don't know, I've spent a good amount of time in Seattle and suburbs like Burien, Mill Creek, and Lynwood and the density of the metro doesn't seem significantly higher than Denver (outside the urban core). Certainly not twice as high. On the other hand, Alchemists' source for urban area density is surprising.
     
     
  #8340  
Old Posted May 25, 2016, 5:35 PM
CherryCreek's Avatar
CherryCreek CherryCreek is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Denver
Posts: 897
Speaking of new projects with a rough roll out, it looks like the recently completed CoBank headquarters building in the Tech Center was shut down earlier this week due to structural problems!! (Here's an old Denver Post construction photo).




http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/r...ssue-emptied-cobank-building-monday.html

Last edited by CherryCreek; May 25, 2016 at 7:32 PM.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 8:48 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.