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Old Posted May 15, 2016, 7:41 PM
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Interesting. So if you go into the spreadsheet provided through the link, Translink has their data for journeys and boardings going back to 1999.

What I find interesting is the ratio of boardings to journeys, essentially the transfer rate.

In 1999, for every 10 journeys, there were 18 boardings.

In 2015, for every 10 journeys there are only 15 boardings

This has been the result of a long term decline in the boardings-to-journeys ratio, with most of the movement happening between 2008 and 2011. As such, I would assume there has been an increase in the proportion of one-seat rides.

Now today, the Sea-Bus has the highest boardings-to-journeys ratio, at 1.8, only a little bit less than in 1999 when it was 1.9. This makes sense, since the Sea-Bus is logically the most transfer-dependent service. The lowest is the West Coast Express, which sees 1.3 boardings per journey, though this has increased since 1999 when it was 1.1. The bus network sees 1.5 (vs 1.8), the E&M lines see 1.6 (vs 1.8) and the Canada Line sees 1.4 (vs 1.3 in 2009 and 2010).
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2016, 12:20 AM
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^ Wow! Way to disspell this myth spread by the anti-SkyTrain crowd that most of the Canada Line's ridership is bus transferees. Clearly not the case!
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2016, 2:43 AM
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How does Translink get the ridership and boarding numbers? Are they just an estimate based on the revenue?
With fare gate now in place and initial statistics shows a 7% increase in revenue, 2016 number might show a jump compared to 2015.
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2016, 3:11 AM
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How does Translink get the ridership and boarding numbers? Are they just an estimate based on the revenue?
They used to have people out with counters every so often, and I think they correlate that data with their estimates from other sources so that they can make some extrapolations to cover the areas or times for which they don't have those kinds of accurate counts.
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2016, 3:53 AM
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^ Wow! Way to disspell this myth spread by the anti-SkyTrain crowd that most of the Canada Line's ridership is bus transferees. Clearly not the case!
I don't think Malcolm and his sock puppet accounts count as a "crowd," Daryl
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2016, 4:40 AM
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Anyone heard any updates about the pending Cmbc strike and the potential skytrain sympathy strike? I depend on a train and bus combination to make it to work.

Also, a friend of mine's kid was trying to get a job in the translink call center. I suppose they aren't hiring at all until this is resolved?

On a positive note, on Tuesday I have my meeting with the opthamalogist I've been waiting for since November. After approval, it should only be 3 weeks until I get my CNIB compass card.

Hooray!
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2016, 4:41 AM
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15-20% of the bus fleet has laser counters at the front doors that track people coming in. Total ridership estimates are then taken from this.
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2016, 5:26 PM
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Anyone heard any updates about the pending Cmbc strike and the potential skytrain sympathy strike? I depend on a train and bus combination to make it to work.
There's been no news on it in the last week. They were negotiating and the union didn't get everything they wanted so they did some sabre rattling with the threat of a strike. They're still negotiating.

It's highly unlikely Skytrain will shut down if there's a strike - different union and there doesn't seem to be enough sympathy for them to join in.
     
     
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Old Posted May 17, 2016, 6:38 PM
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More taxes for Translink

"Secret" negotiations happening with the province around additional funding to take advantage of the federal funding offer.

http://www.surreyleader.com/news/379832261.html
     
     
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 1:44 AM
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Came across the following -
TransLink has Sound Trademark applications for its SkyTrain chimes:

SkyTrain Control Override Announcement Chimes:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrk...xtension=0&startingDocumentIndexOnPage=1

SkyTrain Door Closing Chimes:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrk...xtension=0&startingDocumentIndexOnPage=1

SkyTrain Announcement Chime:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrk...xtension=0&startingDocumentIndexOnPage=1
     
     
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 5:32 AM
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Came across the following -
TransLink has Sound Trademark applications for its SkyTrain chimes:

SkyTrain Control Override Announcement Chimes:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrk...xtension=0&startingDocumentIndexOnPage=1

SkyTrain Door Closing Chimes:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrk...xtension=0&startingDocumentIndexOnPage=1

SkyTrain Announcement Chime:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrk...xtension=0&startingDocumentIndexOnPage=1
These make for great notification ringtones!
     
     
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 7:05 AM
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for video editors would love access to all the "Next Station is" Metrotown" etc.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 4:05 AM
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Metro Vancouver mayors present transit funding plan to province
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...ansit-funding-plan-to-province-1.3582238

I hope we get some movement on this!
I heard on CBC Radio recently someone having the pitch to promote the purchase of 70+ SkyTrain cars. The thought being that this is a 'shovel ready' project that is required and would benefit two provinces.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 4:22 AM
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70+ Skytrain cars <ears perk up> How would that look?

24 (2009 option)+28 (2018 option)=52
20 Rotens?

having the 24+28 Mark III's would put us at the level of cars we should have now but don't.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 4:40 AM
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Densification near SkyTrain stations could generate up to $2 billion for transit funding

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Could developers be a big part of the solution to Metro Vancouver’s funding gap to fulfill a multi-billion dollar public transit expansion and improvement plan? To help alleviate transit funding woes, TransLink’s Mayors’ Council and the provincial government are looking to charge developers extra for building significant dense developments near SkyTrain stations.

Peter Fassbender, the Minister responsible for TransLink, told Vancity Buzz that initial findings indicate $800 million could be raised for a single project like the underground extension of SkyTrain’s Millennium Line under the Broadway Corridor. If all the systemwide opportunities are considered, as much as $2 billion could be generated.
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However, Fassbender says the proposed new model goes much further as it would densify entire major transit corridors, not just the location of the SkyTrain station. A radius of two or three blocks around a station could be densified in exchange for extra contributions from developers for the sole purpose of funding transit projects. In the process, more walkable and transit-oriented communities that depend less on the automobile will be created.
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 5:01 AM
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And that still does nothing to solve the operational costs. Everyone gets riled up over capital costs, when they choose to cut corners, they end up spending more money on the continued maintenance of the the "cheap option"

The Mayors are also sorely mistaken if they think that they can just soak developers to get more money for higher density, because the Mayors would rather keep that money to themselves. Hence the actual land 500 meters around the stations should have been owned by Translink in the first place with Translink being the direct financial beneficiary of whatever gets built and Translink never relinquishing ownership over those properties should new transit connections be needed later..
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 5:25 AM
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RapidKL has set a June 30 launch date for its Mark III/Bombardier Innovia METRO trains...

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/communit...ins-brought-in-for-lrt-kelana-jaya-line/

If we're anywhere close to this for testing progress then I would think we'll have the new trains on our lines by end of June as well!
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 8:04 AM
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And that still does nothing to solve the operational costs. Everyone gets riled up over capital costs, when they choose to cut corners, they end up spending more money on the continued maintenance of the the "cheap option"

The Mayors are also sorely mistaken if they think that they can just soak developers to get more money for higher density, because the Mayors would rather keep that money to themselves. Hence the actual land 500 meters around the stations should have been owned by Translink in the first place with Translink being the direct financial beneficiary of whatever gets built and Translink never relinquishing ownership over those properties should new transit connections be needed later..
How can you say the mayors are mistaken about not trusting the mayors regarding the levies? That doesn't make any sense. The mayors are the ones proposing it. Besides that, it sounds like they want the tax to be collected directly by Translink, much like the property tax. So a city can't just levy the fees and keep them, only Translink would have the power to create the special development zones and collect the fees. So it would be a new power of Translink, and a new(ish) revenue source, but similar enough to existing property taxes and not directly on the population, so I could see this getting by without needing a plebiscite.

There should come a point where Translink's operating costs become largely covered by fares. Translink just needs an adequate rapid transit network first that attracts a substantial number of riders. Once it becomes convienient to go almost anywhere in the region on transit, mode share on transit will grow. The TTC gets about 2/3 of their funding from the Fare box. Translink get's about 1/3 from the Fare box. I don't think it will take much more to get more paying riders; Evergreen, Broadway Subway, and Surrey Rapid Transit will go a long way to covering a vast majority of the region with rail transit.

Also, if you take major capital projects out of the Translink budget and fund them directly with development levies from the regional governments and subsidies from other levels, through specially created agencies (like what they do in many States), the Translink budget becomes smaller and more manageable year to year. After a few years, the increase from property taxes from the increased density should also help pay for the operations portion.

Anyway, I think this is a great idea and will meet little opposition. If developers that are adjacent to potential stations are already willing to pay for the stations themselves, then it stands to reason that the surrounding developments also benefit from the station (but aren't paying for it), so it makes sense to charge special levies on developers.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 4:52 PM
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How can you say the mayors are mistaken about not trusting the mayors regarding the levies? That doesn't make any sense. The mayors are the ones proposing it.
The mayors have been against raising taxes. So this is just them pushing that responsibility to the developers. What do you think is going to happen? Every condo owner gets a 100$ annual levy, there's not 20 million units. You're not going to find 2 billion in annual funding, this is a going to be a one-time developer soak, so what might be a 800K condo unit becomes 900k, across 20,000 units. Units near transit in Surrey aren't worth anywhere near as much as units in Vancouver.

Like nice idea, but it's relying on Metro Vancouver to keep having rip-off prices for the next 10 years. What if the price bubble pops this year and developers all pull out?

This can be a tool in the toolbox, but it can't be the only tool.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 5:10 PM
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What if the price bubble pops this year and developers all pull out?

This can be a tool in the toolbox, but it can't be the only tool.
Yeah, that's the big risk in this kind of fee, just like the gas tax levy has been problematic because of declining gas usage. And our housing market really is overvalued, so there's a lot of potential downside.

But I agree that Translink should somehow get some of the value lift that transit brings to an area, even though it would make housing near transit a little less affordable and will therefore have at least some depressing effect on transit usage. But that may be outweighed quite a bit by the increase in the number of people that have convenient transit access.

I wonder if this has been done in other jurisdictions and what the results have been?
     
     
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