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Old Posted May 7, 2016, 1:41 AM
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What in the world are you talking about? We were discussing office jobs not theme parks....

Disney is not looking to build a theme park in a city that has rain for 6 months of the year.
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Old Posted May 7, 2016, 4:41 AM
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Old Posted May 7, 2016, 5:04 AM
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Not surprised at that figure. The 5.8% unemployment would mostly represent people who choose not to work. Even foreigners can easily get jobs here if they are not picky. I know quite a lot of foreigners working here with the "working holiday" visa.
Only people who are actively looking for work are included in unemployment numbers.
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Old Posted May 7, 2016, 5:07 AM
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I doubt that we will see a Disneyland in here, but I think our city could do with a theme park bigger than Playland. It is also strange how we don't have a proper zoo (I haven't been to the one in Langley, but I understand it being small) or an indoor water park. We are a big tourist city and large city as itself, so I would think such parks could be profitable in here.

And can we please drop the nonsense talk about 6 months of rain. That's no true and Toronto (Niagara) doesn't have any better winter - the opposite.
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i wondered that myself all the time, and why the Zoo at Stanley Park was removed. Seems like the perfect spot for a Zoo (ala NYC Central Park Zoo and Chicago's Lincoln Park Zoo) and given Vancouver's large size and destination status - I'd figure the SP Zoo would just be part of the tourism rotation.

Anybody have insights into why Stanley Park Zoo was dismantled and if it could possibly return?
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Old Posted May 8, 2016, 9:18 PM
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Totally agree about the Theme Park. I think Vancouver should go after Universal Studios, personally; but Disneyland Canada (Vancouver LTD) sure does have a nice ring to it [as does Disneyland Cascadia].

Seattle also doesn't have a decent/proper park, perhaps it is a NW thing?
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Old Posted May 8, 2016, 11:28 PM
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i wondered that myself all the time, and why the Zoo at Stanley Park was removed. Seems like the perfect spot for a Zoo (ala NYC Central Park Zoo and Chicago's Lincoln Park Zoo) and given Vancouver's large size and destination status - I'd figure the SP Zoo would just be part of the tourism rotation.

Anybody have insights into why Stanley Park Zoo was dismantled and if it could possibly return?
I think that was very possibly due to groups who felt it was inhumane to keep animals caged up; that they were better off in their wild habitat. I see their point, but it is a shame anyway.
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Old Posted May 9, 2016, 2:17 AM
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Seattle also doesn't have a decent/proper park, perhaps it is a NW thing?
Six Flags owned Wild Waves near Seattle from 2000 to 2007, but didn't expand it significantly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Waves_Theme_Park
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Old Posted May 9, 2016, 4:29 AM
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Didn't Six Flags attempt to purchase Playland at some point in the past? I remember reading that somewhere before.

I agree that we could do with a better theme park, but it would have to be located in Vancouver or an inner suburb, otherwise it would be too far for most people. Within walking distance of SkyTrain would be optimal, as well as near a freeway. I think Playland's location is actually pretty great, but it would be game-changing to have a Hastings Line with a stop at Renfrew or Cassiar.

I know you guys are fantasizing, but if anyone is being serious, I think the chance of having a major theme park (Disney/Universal/etc) open in Vancouver is less than remote. Like, zero chance. Playland's poor performance would be enough to prove to them that it's too much of a risk. Not to mention the poor weather for half the year. June through September are pretty much guaranteed to be good weather wise, but that's about the only upside I can see.

They are only really located in major global cities, and usually in good-weather, year-round climates like LA and Orlando.
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Vancouver CACs hurt growth B.C.-wide, industry says

Community amenity contribution system is scaring away investment: critics


By Peter Mitham, May 31, 2016, 6 a.m

Vancouver doesn’t know what it’s missing, says a commercial real estate industry group that’s taking the city to task for what critics say is an opaque system of negotiating community amenity contributions (CACs).

Despite guidelines released in 2014, the process in Vancouver is largely a mystery that costs developers millions – and costs the city millions more in lost tax revenues.

“I know quite a few projects and pension funds that have walked away from the city,” said Gord Wylie, who co-chairs the development issues and government relations committee for commercial real estate association NAIOP.

And the projects that Vancouver discourages aren’t going to surrounding municipalities; the developers are simply leaving the province for cities where they can build a downtown tower with fewer hassles.

“If they can invest in Chicago, where they’re going to give them the approvals they need in a timely manner, and also not go through a lengthy negotiation process with a black-box formula, they’re going to go there,” Wylie said.

Provincial guidelines stipulate that municipalities must negotiate CACs when land is rezoned, and that the charges should reflect the estimated lift in the value of the land.

NAIOP has prepared a report that suggests the city might negotiate a $3 million CAC with the developer of a 345,000-square-foot office tower – but at the risk of losing $29 million in property taxes and other revenue over the next 10 years if the developer balks and walks.

“There’s very little CAC value, and you’re turning away hundreds of millions of dollars in investment, which generates hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenues,” Wylie said. “It’s a bit nearsighted.”

CACs are challenging for office developers because, unlike with residential real estate, office towers are leased rather than sold. Returns are typically narrower than on residential and flow in over a longer period of time. Buildings generally aren’t fully leased and yielding maximum cash flow in their first year, but this is often the assumption when calculating a CAC.

“They don’t look at the fact that we need to hold those assets for a number of years to stabilize the cash flow. They assume we stabilize the cash flow in Year 1,” Wylie said.

He points to SwissReal Group’s project at 475 Howe Street, which the city trumpeted as a win for office development in the city. SwissReal agreed to a $15.7 million CAC, delivered through a heritage revitalization of the old stock exchange building.

But the amount is an upfront cost that will take years to recover from rents, with just one tenant set to move in when the 370,000-square-foot tower completes next year.

Similarly, the city negotiated a $6.6 million CAC with developer PCI Group for Marine Gateway, another project yet to be fully occupied and enjoying maximum cash flow.

“The CAC process wouldn’t reflect any of those risks,” Wylie said of the lag in operating income.

The process has prompted some owners to step away altogether.

Sources indicate that Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec, owner of Ivanhoé Cambridge, sold stakes in Bentall Centre and Oakridge Centre because of the challenges of redeveloping the properties in the face of municipal processes.

Whether or not CACs are even appropriate for office development is another question, given the limited demand for civic amenities accompanying such projects.

“It just doesn’t make sense,” said Anne McMullin, president and CEO of the Urban Development Institute. “There is some justification for some CACs on the residential, but on the commercial there isn’t. You’re creating jobs, people are paying taxes and [landlords] are already paying five times the property taxes.”

The volume of CACs municipalities received rose from $100 million in 2000 to $720 million in 2010, and many feared that municipalities were using negotiations to extract cash from developers in lieu of traditional methods such as development cost levies.

With other municipalities such as Coquitlam and North Vancouver following Burnaby’s lead with a fixed-rate charge at rezoning, and negotiations focused around density bonusing, the case-by-case approach in Vancouver frustrates McMullin’s members.

The City of Vancouver did not respond by press time to a request for comment.

https://www.biv.com/article/2016/5/vancouver-cacs-hurt-growth-bc-wide-industry-says/
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Vancouver is experiencing one of its largest office building booms ever, and the "industry says" that the city is missing out on investment in commercial real estate? I don't buy it. The industry is seeing office space struggle to be leased because too much was built at once.
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2016, 4:37 PM
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Surprised no one has posted this, it's pretty big news and great for vancouver:

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B.C. pension fund creates giant, multi-billion-dollar real estate company

Garry Marr | June 1, 2016 | Last Updated: Jun 2 8:07 PM ET
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The Canadian commercial real estate industry will soon face a new multi-billion-dollar competitor in the marketplace.

British Columbia Investment Management Corp. said Wednesday it will take its $18 billion in real estate assets under management and create a new private company, to be called QuadReal Property Group, which will look to expand in Canada and globally.

BcIMC, which provides investment management services to the province’s public sector and invests the funds not currently required to pay pensions and other benefits, will set QuadReal up with an independent board of directors to oversee its operation.

As part of the move to internalize management of its real estate operations, the new company has retained Remco Daal as its co-president to head up its Canadian operations. Daal was the president of Bentall Kennedy, one of the companies that was providing external management to the B.C. pension fund.

The majority of bcIMC’s Canadian real estate assets are currently managed externally by Bentall, GWL Realty Advisors and Realstar. Management of real estate assets from those companies will begin to transfer to QuadReal in 2017. Roughly 500 employees are coming over from Bentall Kennedy to join the new entity.

“They’ve had a great run under the existing model and they are moving to more of a Canadian model as to how they manage their real estate,” said Daal, referring to the internalization of real estate, which is common for other major domestic players like the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System and Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec.

With assets of $123 billion, 14 per cent of which is allocated to real estate, QuadReal expects to be saving money on fees as it begins to expand its base. Real estate allocation is slated to rise 18 per cent and bcIMC total assets will rise to about $150 billion in the next four years.

“We expect there will be assets for which we compete and opportunities for tenants which we compete,” said Daal, referring to the asset managers they are now dropping. “It’s all fair game.”

Last year, bcIMC started studying the internalization and brought in Jonathan Dubois-Phillips to look at that possibility. He will act as co-president and run QuadReal’s international operations.

The new company has no specific type of asset class in real estate it is eyeing and says it will be market driven. There is clearly no appetite to sell Canadian assets, which include Bayview Village, the luxury mall in north Toronto.

“The domestic portfolio is of a quality that we can’t replicate. The income stream is solid, solid and that’s ultimately what what our clients want,” Daal said.

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Not often a ~20 billion dollar company gets created overnight, let alone in Vancouver.
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2016, 5:44 PM
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I doubt that we will see a Disneyland in here, but I think our city could do with a theme park bigger than Playland. It is also strange how we don't have a proper zoo (I haven't been to the one in Langley, but I understand it being small) or an indoor water park. We are a big tourist city and large city as itself, so I would think such parks could be profitable in here.

And can we please drop the nonsense talk about 6 months of rain. That's no true and Toronto (Niagara) doesn't have any better winter - the opposite.
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Totally agree about the Theme Park. I think Vancouver should go after Universal Studios, personally; but Disneyland Canada (Vancouver LTD) sure does have a nice ring to it [as does Disneyland Cascadia].

Seattle also doesn't have a decent/proper park, perhaps it is a NW thing?
Great that you can see the potential and thanks for your perspective and input. There are air-conditioned theme parks housed indoors with the outdoor portions opened for nicer weather. Wave pools, virtual reality theatres, mock theme shows, roller coaster rides, etc. Imagine the kind of business opportunities that can bring to a community.

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Didn't Six Flags attempt to purchase Playland at some point in the past? I remember reading that somewhere before.

I agree that we could do with a better theme park, but it would have to be located in Vancouver or an inner suburb, otherwise it would be too far for most people. Within walking distance of SkyTrain would be optimal, as well as near a freeway. I think Playland's location is actually pretty great, but it would be game-changing to have a Hastings Line with a stop at Renfrew or Cassiar.

I know you guys are fantasizing, but if anyone is being serious, I think the chance of having a major theme park (Disney/Universal/etc) open in Vancouver is less than remote. Like, zero chance. Playland's poor performance would be enough to prove to them that it's too much of a risk. Not to mention the poor weather for half the year. June through September are pretty much guaranteed to be good weather wise, but that's about the only upside I can see.

They are only really located in major global cities, and usually in good-weather, year-round climates like LA and Orlando.
We have Disneylands located in temperate climate cities like Tokyo and Paris, and also Legolands and Universal Studios in harsh tropical climates such as Southeast Asian countries. So there you go, the sky's really the limit. I guess people here don't feel the need for theme parks because of the mentality that they can pretty much accomplish everything fun in the big great natural outdoors. PNE is getting quite old and tiresome. They need to open year round with a major overhaul to make it on par with world-class theme parks in order to attract the masses.
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PNE is getting quite old and tiresome. They need to open year round with a major overhaul to make it on par with world-class theme parks in order to attract the masses.


I think Playland's niche is to be a throwback. IMO no matter how "world-class" any theme park is, you can't escape the campy cheesiness at its core as its appeal.
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i wondered that myself all the time, and why the Zoo at Stanley Park was removed. Seems like the perfect spot for a Zoo (ala NYC Central Park Zoo and Chicago's Lincoln Park Zoo) and given Vancouver's large size and destination status - I'd figure the SP Zoo would just be part of the tourism rotation.

Anybody have insights into why Stanley Park Zoo was dismantled and if it could possibly return?
This link is a concise history.

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•In 1994 there was a referendum to expand the zoo. There was strong opposition and residents voted to do away with the zoo altogether.
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IMO I don't think there will be city-wide support for a new zoo.
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I'm just disappointed that the Aldergrove zoo is such a circus. It's almost criminal if you look at their history of animal deaths.
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I think Playland's niche is to be a throwback. IMO no matter how "world-class" any theme park is, you can't escape the campy cheesiness at its core as its appeal.
Excuse me, come again?

Well, the theme park wish just a few days ago is coming true.
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I think Playland's niche is to be a throwback. IMO no matter how "world-class" any theme park is, you can't escape the campy cheesiness at its core as its appeal.
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Excuse me, come again?

Well, the theme park wish just a few days ago is coming true.
Tivoli in Copenhagen is, IMHO, a theme park with little campy cheesiness at its core. It's still a theme park, yes, but it's classy. Wish we had more of that element here.
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Tivoli in Copenhagen is, IMHO, a theme park with little campy cheesiness at its core. It's still a theme park, yes, but it's classy. Wish we had more of that element here.
Haha that's not cheesy, that's a real theme park!

http://kingofwallpapers.com/tivoli.html
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