Phoenix Development News (3)

[muertecaza]

Originally Posted by exit2lef

The video is now up. This link starts at 32:00 with the Block 23 presentation:

https://youtu.be/7zKTAtTJJus?t=32m

For the lazy, here are some poor quality screenshots of the concepts from the presentation:

Fry's location, 44k SF on ground floor, 10k SF underground for prep/admin space.



This Ralph's in Sherman Oaks is how they envision the corner on Jefferson/1st looking:





Loading zones for grocery store:



Ground floor retail fronting Washington:



Residential lobby/amenities fronting 2nd St.



Residential tower would span entire 2nd St. frontage from Jefferson to Washington:



NOT renderings, just ideas of the type of design we might expect:



Grocery store parking covering entire 2nd floor above grocery store/retail/residential lobby:



Basic idea of the layout for Office/residential towers:



NOT renderings, just ideas of the type of design elements for office:



Again, nothing final, but a final bird's eye conceptual idea:



Other notes:

• Only underground parking would be parking that is currently there off 2nd St. underneath residential. They will demo everything but the walls to modernize
  
• Intent is to do it all in one phase
  
• Residential would be rental

[biggus diggus]

A friend of a friend runs a department within ASU downtown and said ASU recently pulled their commitments to downtown apartments because they are going to soon build two large student housing buildings. No further information is available to me as I heard it second hand but this does line up with some of the school's recent land acquisitions.

[dtnphx]

Muertecaza: Thank you so much for posting these. Really gives you an idea of the visual scope and scale of the project. Good job, sir.

[combusean]

Man, that last concept massing is completely underwhelming and depressing even.

Should be twice as tall.

[ASU Diablo]

Originally Posted by combusean

Man, that last concept massing is completely underwhelming and depressing even.

Should be twice as tall.

Agreed...wished it was way taller. Perhaps flip the office/retail locations resulting in taller office tower? I thought office vacancies in downtown/midtown were trending down...

[ASUSunDevil]

Originally Posted by combusean

Man, that last concept massing is completely underwhelming and depressing even.

Should be twice as tall.

I'd bet that it will look extremely similar to the Dallas RED project (minus giant Dirk):

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2015/05/tim-thumb-grocery-store-coming-to-uptiwn.html/

[PHXFlyer11]

I think it'd be cool to play up the concept of the original town site. I'd call it something like PHX Town Site or Town Square. It would be a nice play off of Cityscape next door.

I also think it'd be the perfect site for a new local brewery in the retail portion and perhaps a Mexican or even better, a Sonoran/Southwest restaurant.

[gymratmanaz]

How tall is each tower?

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by combusean

Man, that last concept massing is completely underwhelming and depressing even.

Should be twice as tall.

The office seems okay, I wish the residential was taller, but for me it is all about the street design, I don't care how tall any of it is.

That office looks to be about as tall as Palmar 20ish stories?? not bad we haven't had a new office building in like 8 years.

IS there some reason e cant get anything in the 30's though??

[PHXFlyer11]

Originally Posted by Obadno

The office seems okay, I wish the residential was taller, but for me it is all about the street design, I don't care how tall any of it is.

That office looks to be about as tall as Palmar 20ish stories?? not bad we haven't had a new office building in like 8 years.

IS there some reason e cant get anything in the 30's though??

The two footprints seem to make U-shapes around the perimeter. It would be awesome to see something 32-35 in the center of those U's.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

A friend of a friend runs a department within ASU downtown and said ASU recently pulled their commitments to downtown apartments because they are going to soon build two large student housing buildings. No further information is available to me as I heard it second hand but this does line up with some of the school's recent land acquisitions.

I desire to know more.

[dtnphx]

I would guess the office tower will be at least as tall as Cityscape's office tower which is 28 floors and about 562K SF. To make it pencil out, it has to be huge. The residential portion height is less certain as I don't think Phoenix is a 30+ floor living city yet (could be wrong).

[LocoPhoenician]

That block 23 is poorly designed it should be turned 90° to have flow between cityscape and Colliers Center. Right now it cuts each off which takes away with the new restaurants coming to Colliers which is bizarre since they are both RED properties. You would thinks they would want something cohesive.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by TempeAZnative

That block 23 is poorly designed it should be turned 90° to have flow between cityscape and Colliers Center. Right now it cuts each off which takes away with the new restaurants coming to Colliers which is bizarre since they are both RED properties. You would thinks they would want something cohesive.

There was an article that made mention of the different street requirements that the developer has to follow+ the underground parking supports that may limit where they can place the buildings and the loading access for the grocery store

[biggus diggus]

Originally Posted by TempeAZnative

That block 23 is poorly designed it should be turned 90° to have flow between cityscape and Colliers Center. Right now it cuts each off which takes away with the new restaurants coming to Colliers which is bizarre since they are both RED properties. You would thinks they would want something cohesive.

You're only able to work with what you're given...

[gymratmanaz]

Is there a time frame on a start to this?

[LocoPhoenician]

Originally Posted by Obadno

There was an article that made mention of the different street requirements that the developer has to follow+ the underground parking supports that may limit where they can place the buildings and the loading access for the grocery store

Then they are basically shutting down 1st & 2nd st instead of something cohesive. This will basically kill everything they are trying to do at Colliers Center.

[mdpx]

Cityscape was built like a fortress, Colliers Center was built like a fortress. A walk through development (which may not be able to be laid out other than proposed) will do nothing to create cohesion. People walking along the perimeter of the development will give it an urban vibe rather than them being in some pseudo plaza.

[plinko]

Ugh, yet another block turned the wrong direction that does nothing to engage what's already there.
RED had an amazing opportunity 10(?) years ago when they got started. But in the end Phoenix gets what it has always gotten...half-assed.
I suppose at least there's a grocery store. It's way too isolated from the majority of downtown residents though. 4 blocks north? Would have made way too much sense.

[muertecaza]

AZ Central article just covering the subcommittee linked above. Not much new.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loca...ore-red-cityscape-frys-phoenix/83878870/