YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Does YVR have double decker (or 2 single split bi-level) gangways?

The most recent intl' expansion has a few bi-level gangways.

[casper]

Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

Others will have the data, but it would be fair to claim YVR-FRA carries much of YVR's originating Star Alliance traffic to continental Europe and beyond.

LH seems to own YVR-Germany, and perhaps in the darkest days of AC's financial past some sort of Star deal was done in LHs favour. With AC's return to health they need a good on-line Europe service link to keep their Freq Flier crowd happy (with cabin upgrade benefits). LHR is OK for connections to CPH, WAW or IST where there is a Star carrier heading to its base, but not elsewhere.

AC is aware. But whenever it looks like they might move on either YVR-FRA or MUC, LH preempts on the route (MUC) or adds capacity. The A346 upgrade on MUC is the latest move. Swapping FRA to a 380 in May 2017 would be in keeping.

New AC DUB and DEL service provides narrow alternatives. The rest of Europe / ME runs through FRA / MUC - at least for loyal YVR-based Star points collectors like me, with 10 x LH legs this year, thru both of those cities.

LF (and their subsidiaries), AC and United operate North American to Europe on a joint venture where they share the costs and revenue on all these flights.

[jacobparry]

Looks like Seattle is getting Shenzhen service before Vancouver, sigh


"Skyteam member Xiamen Airlines last week has opened reservation for its new service to the US, which sees the airline operates Xiamen – Shenzhen – Seattle route. From 26SEP16, the airline will operate Boeing 787-8 aircraft on this route, 3 times a week. Reservation is available in the GS at time this post goes to press.

MF845 XMN0930 – 1045SZX1245 – 1025SEA 787 135
MF846 SEA1325 – 1815+1SZX2015+1 – 2125+1XMN 787 135"

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/02/mf-sea-sep16/

[ShawnShank]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

No, no worries Trof.

Someone in the know can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the route YVR-MUC is year round

but that it is the plane, A346, that is seasonal. ...

YVR-MUC is seasonal, started yesterday (May 1), ends October 28. A346 operates 3/7 weekly flights starting May 14th and increases to 5 weekly A346 at some point in July iirc

[ShawnShank]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

also WRT using the South Runway, I think A380 can only land on the south runway since it is longer.

YVR (on facebook) said south runway is a one-time thing and that most regular landings would be north. It also landed north today (May 2)

[ShawnShank]

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/03/kl-w16update3/

KLM reducing AMS to 4 weekly A332 (from 5 weekly A332) this winter (October 30th start)

[excel]

26R/08L is long enough to land and take off an A380. However a take off on a hot summers day would be cutting it close on the north runway. They planned the south runway for the plane spotters.

[SpongeG]

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[SpongeG]

day 2

can you imagine being in the outlet mall when this thing flies over

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[officedweller]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

The most recent intl' expansion has a few bi-level gangways.

Thanks.
The VanCity Buzz pic didn't show them clearly (if those were the ones pictured), so I was wondering.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by ShawnShank

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/03/kl-w16update3/

KLM reducing AMS to 4 weekly A332 (from 5 weekly A332) this winter (October 30th start)

Very strange. Calgary and Edmonton both see service increases despite hemorrhaging international PAX, while Vancouver which is seeing double digit intl' growth loses a frequency??

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

I had been thinking they would beat BA; it would certainly keep AC off YVR-FRA for a bit longer.

Some guys over at airliners.net are also hinting around at Lufthansa bringing their A380 to YVR as well.

Seems too good to be true.

Don't they have a pretty limited 380 fleet? Would be surprised to see it come to YVR.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by jacobparry

Looks like Seattle is getting Shenzhen service before Vancouver, sigh


"Skyteam member Xiamen Airlines last week has opened reservation for its new service to the US, which sees the airline operates Xiamen – Shenzhen – Seattle route. From 26SEP16, the airline will operate Boeing 787-8 aircraft on this route, 3 times a week. Reservation is available in the GS at time this post goes to press.

MF845 XMN0930 – 1045SZX1245 – 1025SEA 787 135
MF846 SEA1325 – 1815+1SZX2015+1 – 2125+1XMN 787 135"

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/02/mf-sea-sep16/

That route seems kinda silly, why fly from Xiamen to Shenzhen only to backtrack back to Seattle.

Shouldn't it go Shenzhen-Xiamen-Seattle??

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Very strange. Calgary and Edmonton both see service increases despite hemorrhaging international PAX, while Vancouver which is seeing double digit intl' growth loses a frequency??

Those cities both have seen a noticeable drop in affluence recently. It's not that much of a surprise.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

That route seems kinda silly, why fly from Xiamen to Shenzhen only to backtrack back to Seattle.

Shouldn't it go Shenzhen-Xiamen-Seattle??

SZX-XMN-SEA = no subsidy
XMN-SZX-SEA = subsidy!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Very strange. Calgary and Edmonton both see service increases despite hemorrhaging international PAX, while Vancouver which is seeing double digit intl' growth loses a frequency??

In addition, both edmonton and Calgary are going to 789s on KLM up from A330s !! YVR staying at A330. I vonder vot is happenink?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Those cities both have seen a noticeable drop in affluence recently. It's not that much of a surprise.

I think you misread. Calgary and Edmonton are seeing increases, not decreases.

That's the surprise.

[vanlaw]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Some guys over at airliners.net are also hinting around at Lufthansa bringing their A380 to YVR as well.

Seems too good to be true.

Don't they have a pretty limited 380 fleet? Would be surprised to see it come to YVR.

Lufthansa has 14 A380's compared to BA's 11. I guess if BA can allocate one to YVR, no reason why LH can't. Surprising that YVR ranks that high for BA to allocate the A380 to Vancouver.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Very strange. Calgary and Edmonton both see service increases despite hemorrhaging international PAX, while Vancouver which is seeing double digit intl' growth loses a frequency??

Market share grab, maybe? There's less Europe capacity and choice out of YEG and YYC (witness the impact Icelandair had on the Edmonton market when they launched).

Would be great to see LH A380s @ YVR -- hope this rumor is true!

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Market share grab, maybe? There's less Europe capacity and choice out of YEG and YYC (witness the impact Icelandair had on the Edmonton market when they launched).

Would be great to see LH A380s @ YVR -- hope this rumor is true!

Maybe it has something to do with the loss of other services for both YYC and YEG to europe coupled with YVR gaining AF service 3 times weekly to Paris, which is the same parent company as KLM. So overall YVR still has more seats and services than both those airports.