New Downtown Calgary Arena

[Riise]

Originally Posted by Socguy

I don't see that as a concern. The city has spent tons of money to harden the downtown/east village against floods.

It's not a concern after one spends a ton of money to harden defenses or floodproof their property. It was a case of the latter with the EV as they raised the grade of the area and I assume CMLC would do the same in East Victoria

[craner]

From the "Stadiums and Arenas" thread in the Canada section:
Haven't seen these posted here yet:

Originally Posted by elly63

From CalgaryNEXT

[Socguy]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Um, THIS isn't really a concern?!!



The WV is not in a floodplain and that was a selling feature of the CSEC proposal.

The Stampede grounds are, and I've heard a lot about flood mitigation plans but not a lot about shovels in the ground. I'd be wary about spending $1B without those pieces in place

and yet the 'Dome is still good to go after losing 2 month of it's glorious 33 year history.

No. It's not a concern if the flood mitigation both the city and the province are undertaking are completed.

But if you're really concerned, let me reassure you that if some once-in-10,000-years flood so big that it overwhelms the new defenses comes along, a damp arena will be the least of lake Calgary's problems.

[JBinCalgary]

I hope something amicable can be attained. The thought of another Saddledome make over is cringe worthy!

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by JBinCalgary

I hope something amicable can be attained. The thought of another Saddledome make over is cringe worthy!

I don't get it. Why is doing improvements to the Saddledome cringe worthy?

I don't think it is cringe worthy.

[sammyd]

Originally Posted by suburbia

I don't get it. Why is doing improvements to the Saddledome cringe worthy?

I don't think it is cringe worthy.

The Saddledome needs a total rebuild. For many reasons all of which are available online. Please research it yourself.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by sammyd

The Saddledome needs a total rebuild. For many reasons all of which are available online. Please research it yourself.

What I've heard here is that all of the challenges really have little to do with hockey. The biggest challenge is that "some" big money concerts skip Calgary because the dome's roof can't carry as much weight as other facilities. The other challenge I've heard is that some feel a crunch in the concession areas, in part because they park GMC trucks there. Neither of these have anything to do with hockey, the playing of the game nor the watching of the game.

What has your research informed you about limitations the dome has placed on playing or watching the game?

As an aside, lots of things are "available online" however we have this forum to consolidate that information, discuss and respectfully debate it, and provide new ideas. I think in context of the limited information that we've seen here with respect to limitations to the game of hockey that the Saddledome imposes, my question was a fair one

Congratulations on your 9th post.

[bt04ku]

Originally Posted by suburbia

The other challenge I've heard is that some feel a crunch in the concession areas, in part because they park GMC trucks there. Neither of these have anything to do with hockey, the playing of the game nor the watching of the game.

A crowded concourse means your trips to concessions or restrooms become longer to the point you will miss watching some of the game.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by bt04ku

A crowded concourse means your trips to concessions or restrooms become longer to the point you will miss watching some of the game.

I get that, but the post I was originally responding to stated that any renovation (presumably to resolve such issues) would be cringe worthy. My response was, why would that be cringe worthy?

As an aside, I've gone to many games, and really have not missed portion of those. Maybe I plan the washroom visits better.

[Ramsayfarian]

Originally Posted by bt04ku

A crowded concourse means your trips to concessions or restrooms become longer to the point you will miss watching some of the game.

Not if you follow my lead and wear adult diapers. If more people did this the crush of the concourse would be greatly diminished.

I've written Depends numerous letters suggesting they market a sports theme line of diapers. Haven't heard back yet. I suspect the respective leagues charge too much for licensing.

[Fuzz]

You can keep your soggy diapers, I get a catheter put in before each game.

[Skyguy06]

You really need to go to the washrooms during the play of game, otherwise the wait is just too long. If you try and go during intermission during a sold out game, the line snakes so far back it crowds the concession even further.
Among other things, it's probably one of the worst design aspects of the Dome.

[sammyd]

Originally Posted by suburbia

What I've heard here is that all of the challenges really have little to do with hockey. The biggest challenge is that "some" big money concerts skip Calgary because the dome's roof can't carry as much weight as other facilities. The other challenge I've heard is that some feel a crunch in the concession areas, in part because they park GMC trucks there. Neither of these have anything to do with hockey, the playing of the game nor the watching of the game.

What has your research informed you about limitations the dome has placed on playing or watching the game?

As an aside, lots of things are "available online" however we have this forum to consolidate that information, discuss and respectfully debate it, and provide new ideas. I think in context of the limited information that we've seen here with respect to limitations to the game of hockey that the Saddledome imposes, my question was a fair one

Congratulations on your 9th post.

You want to debate something that is not debatable. They are not going to renovate the Saddledome. For various obvious reasons that I am sure you know. You are just a trouble maker and you knew your post was obtuse. My post count is irrelevant when the vast majority of yours are complete garbage.

[speedog]

Originally Posted by Ramsayfarian

Not if you follow my lead and wear adult diapers. If more people did this the crush of the concourse would be greatly diminished.

Keeps you a bit warmer too.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by suburbia

What I've heard here is that all of the challenges really have little to do with hockey. The biggest challenge is that "some" big money concerts skip Calgary because the dome's roof can't carry as much weight as other facilities. The other challenge I've heard is that some feel a crunch in the concession areas, in part because they park GMC trucks there. Neither of these have anything to do with hockey, the playing of the game nor the watching of the game.

What has your research informed you about limitations the dome has placed on playing or watching the game?

As an aside, lots of things are "available online" however we have this forum to consolidate that information, discuss and respectfully debate it, and provide new ideas. I think in context of the limited information that we've seen here with respect to limitations to the game of hockey that the Saddledome imposes, my question was a fair one

Congratulations on your 9th post.

There are plenty of hockey related challenges. Limited suites, small lower bowl, and not much club or premium seating. These not only generate more revenue because they just cost more but the team keeps more money as they carry a lower percentage of HRR.

Player facilities are not good at all compared to newer buildings. It's tough to woo UFAs to Calgary with what we got going on in the bowels of the Saddledome. The dressing room is not much bigger than one at your average community rink. There is no dedicated practice facility etc. Just like how the concourse and it's facilities no longer meet the expectations of NHL fans, everything below no longer meet the expectations of NHL players.

[Ramsayfarian]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You can keep your soggy diapers, I get a catheter put in before each game.

That could work as well, but I'd have to lay off the Nachos and cheese.

[ggopher]

The Stampede grounds is a great spot for the arena. I would love to see the Big 4 building demolished and replaced with a new arena which could also improve the connection to 17th Avenue and the LRT. However, the Flames want complete control and don't want to work with the Stampede. Which is fine if they are paying for the land and arena, if not they better learn to get a long. The challenge with the Big 4 building is the oil show needs the space. But this project should also be tied in with the Stampede's plans to expand the convention space.

It doesn't make sense to put a football stadium that is used 10 times per year downtown. It does not create vibrancy the rest of the year like an arena would. Maybe if it is combined with a field house, but still not a great use of downtown space.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Skyguy06

You really need to go to the washrooms during the play of game, otherwise the wait is just too long. If you try and go during intermission during a sold out game, the line snakes so far back it crowds the concession even further.
Among other things, it's probably one of the worst design aspects of the Dome.

I hate to break it to you, but the new building will have washroom lineups at intermission too. That's the reality of thousands of people needing to pee in a very short window of time.

If you really want to get in and out fast, I go a few minutes before the intermission is over and I rarely have much of a wait.

[Innersoul1]

Originally Posted by ggopher

The Stampede grounds is a great spot for the arena. I would love to see the Big 4 building demolished and replaced with a new arena which could also improve the connection to 17th Avenue and the LRT. However, the Flames want complete control and don't want to work with the Stampede. Which is fine if they are paying for the land and arena, if not they better learn to get a long. The challenge with the Big 4 building is the oil show needs the space. But this project should also be tied in with the Stampede's plans to expand the convention space.

It doesn't make sense to put a football stadium that is used 10 times per year downtown. It does not create vibrancy the rest of the year like an arena would. Maybe if it is combined with a field house, but still not a great use of downtown space.

I don't necessarily disagree with you but the Big 4 location isn't the right spot. There just isn't enough space. It would eat up all of the valuable parking lot space that is used for the Stampede Fair grounds. I would imagine that any new arena would be North of the current Arena.

[kiwi]

I can't see how Murray Edwards will convince the province or city for subsidize for this project considering all the economic problems in Calgary, rest of Alberta and the fire in Fort Mac.