YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Damn slept through this one!

Wow though that is a huge announcement.

I think we all knew it was a matter of when and not if.

I am surprised it is this year. I would have expected it in 2017.

But does show how the Dreamliner is opening up doors for these longhaul yield challenging routes.

And we also need to take the AC investor day slide "2018 network opportunities" with a grain of salt... YVR-DEL are not connected on that map. Full of surprises!

And JUST received my April YVR Air Mail email... Must have been waiting for this little spot of news!

[nname]

Taiwan Passenger statistics were released for the month of March. Never looked closely into them before, but just realized something interesting:

LF for March:

TPE-YVR - 93.0% for BR; 92.2% for CI
YVR-TPE - 88.6% for BR; 82.8% for CI

Overall YVR - 90.8% for BR; 87.6% for CI

TPE-YYZ - 93.3% for BR
YYZ-TPE - 81.6% for BR

Overall YYZ - 87.3% for BR


The TPE->YYZ flight is the route for highest LF of all BR long haul routes (YVR was 2nd). However, when averaging both directions, the YVR route got the highest LF for BOTH BR and CI. YYZ was 4th for BR behind SEA and SFO. Looked back few months, the worse YVR ever got for BR was 2nd (behind SFO in Jan).

Now the DEL flight is there, I wonder when will AC ever consider flying to TPE... This is one route really lacking capacity, especially when the 744 will be retiring next year

[excel]

Great news about DEL

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by nname

Taiwan Passenger statistics were released for the month of March. Never looked closely into them before, but just realized something interesting:

LF for March:

TPE-YVR - 93.0% for BR; 92.2% for CI
YVR-TPE - 88.6% for BR; 82.8% for CI

Overall YVR - 90.8% for BR; 87.6% for CI

TPE-YYZ - 93.3% for BR
YYZ-TPE - 81.6% for BR

Overall YYZ - 87.3% for BR


The TPE->YYZ flight is the route for highest LF of all BR long haul routes (YVR was 2nd). However, when averaging both directions, the YVR route got the highest LF for BOTH BR and CI. YYZ was 4th for BR behind SEA and SFO. Looked back few months, the worse YVR ever got for BR was 2nd (behind SFO in Jan).

Now the DEL flight is there, I wonder when will AC ever consider flying to TPE... This is one route really lacking capacity, especially when the 744 will be retiring next year

I thought all the available frequencies for YVR-TPE were already used by BR and CI respectively... might make it hard for AC to jump in now?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

I thought all the available frequencies for YVR-TPE were already used by BR and CI respectively... might make it hard for AC to jump in now?

Each country's airlines are entitled to 21 weekly frequencies.

Taiwan is utilising its full allotment, whereas Canada is not using any.

Air Canada could launch three daily flights from Canada to Taiwan tomorrow if it wanted to.

[LeftCoaster]

Noticed a nice little nugget at the bottom of an article about YVR selling off it's stake in Vantage:

YVR sells it share of the Vantage airport-management company

CHUCK CHIANG
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Published on: April 28, 2016 | Last Updated: April 28, 2016 6:06 AM PDT
VANCOUVER, BC - DECEMBER 19, 2015

YVR has decided to sell its remaining share in an international airport management company to concentrate on further expansions of the Vancouver Airport Authority.

The Vancouver Airport Authority has sold its 50-per-cent share in Vantage, which manages eight airports around the world using YVR expertise. The decision allows YVR concentrate on its local growth plans, including further terminal expansions.

...

But with passenger counts hitting a record 20 million last year and a projection of 25 million by 2020, YVR president Craig Richmond said the airport authority has to concentrate its attention and resources on a new 20-year strategic plan — which includes a terminal expansion as its centrepiece.

“We’re adding a million passengers a year, and it looks like we’ll do it again this year,” Richmond said. “We can honestly see that, if this continues, we’re going to hit capacity and run out of space. We don’t want that to happen. … That’s a huge focus and a big reason why we need to focus on YVR.”

The airport, however, will continue to provide officials to Vantage to provide support services and expertise through a partnership agreement, Richmond said.

Vantage manages eight airports, including Kamloops, Fort St. John, Lynden Pindling Airport in Nassau, The Bahamas, and Cyprus’s Larnaca International Airports. Past clients include New Zealand’s Wellington International Airport and John Lennon Airport in Liverpool.

Current projects include an effort to upgrade the occupational health and safety management at New York’s LaGuardia Airport, and Richmond said Vantage also served as a platform for B.C. companies to work on international projects, citing the involvement of Stantec and Ledcor at Nassau.

“Vantage has accomplished everything and more of what we’ve expected,” said Richmond. “This company from Vancouver that started with just three people is now looked to for turning around a major airport in the U.S. in a multi-billion project … What we realized is Vantage is becoming a very big player, and it’s taking up more and more of our management time and effort to stay on top of what’s going on.”

As for the new terminal plans, Richmond said YVR has been working on that for years, with a final recommendation for an expansion outline to be presented to the airport authority’s board of directors on Friday. The expansion plan, which could expand the passenger terminal westwards, eastward or both, is expected to be made public in October.

[email protected]

http://vancouversun.com/business/local-b...f-the-vantage-airport-management-company

[officedweller]

Aircraft related ...

Bird strike at SeaTac: dented the nose of a Airbus A321:


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/0...nding-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird.html

[s211]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Aircraft related ...

Bird strike at SeaTac: dented the nose of a Airbus A321:


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/0...nding-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird.html

Geez, was the bird made of depleted uranium?

[LeftCoaster]

Good god what kinda bird did that much damage?


http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Bird

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Each country's airlines are entitled to 21 weekly frequencies.

Taiwan is utilising its full allotment, whereas Canada is not using any.

Air Canada could launch three daily flights from Canada to Taiwan tomorrow if it wanted to.

REALLY ?!! Where else could Air Canada launch flights if it wanted to?? Any info on that??

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Noticed a nice little nugget at the bottom of an article about YVR selling off it's stake in Vantage:

http://vancouversun.com/business/local-b...f-the-vantage-airport-management-company

Yes, he did mention a terminal expansion announcement would be made this year. Exciting stuff. YVR will need to maintain its competitiveness with other airports in the region expanding as well.

[LeftCoaster]

Ya definitely. I know the east terminal is the exciting long term step but I think the near term smaller expansions to each pier will really make a difference in the feel of the airport.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Each country's airlines are entitled to 21 weekly frequencies.

Taiwan is utilising its full allotment, whereas Canada is not using any.

Air Canada could launch three daily flights from Canada to Taiwan tomorrow if it wanted to.

I wasn't aware of that. Given that info I'm quite surprised AC hasn't launched from YYZ yet. YVR makes sense and I'm sure they'll do it as soon as the 747s are phased out but given their aggressive expansion out of YYZ I'm surprised they haven't hit that one yet... especially given the loads nname posted.

Quick question too, inbound is significantly higher than outbound for both routes. Is that inbound to Canada outbound from the states on tours or something or is immigration that large of an effect?

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Quick question too, inbound is significantly higher than outbound for both routes. Is that inbound to Canada outbound from the states on tours or something or is immigration that large of an effect?

People return from Chinese New Years vacation, plus snowbirds returns for the summer just in time to file the taxes.

On top of the high LF, the fare to YVR is often at least 50% higher compared to LAX and SFO and is almost never on sale. Not sure about previous years, but this year my parents were told the flights from mid-March to mid-April are all full beside a few full-fare economy tickets that will cost them $1500-$3000CAD one way ON TOP of what they already paid. I also know a few that had to fly to SEA because they could not get on the YVR flight. I'm sure the YVR-TPE route have enough demand for 3x or even 4x daily flights with 777/787/350 between CI/BR/AC...

[SFUVancouver]

Great news on the AC YVR-Delhi route. That's fantastic news!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Great news on the AC YVR-Delhi route. That's fantastic news!

As I mentioned (at the risk of sounding repetitive), I hope this mushrooms into a bigger-than-expected route, and becomes year-round. It might happen. Stay optimistic.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

As I mentioned (at the risk of sounding repetitive), I hope this mushrooms into a bigger-than-expected route, and becomes year-round. It might happen. Stay optimistic.

I'm sure we all agree.

It's amazing watching certain routes explode so quickly whilst others remain stagnant.

Look at CZ on YVR-CAN. Started with 3 x weekly 772, then quickly moved to daily 788 now upgauging to a 77W in a relatively short period of time. NH to HND started daily 763, quickly moved to a 788 and now going to be 789 year-round in a very short time frame.

On the other hand AF on YVR-CDG seems to be stagnant with its 5 weekly summer service and 3 weekly winter service on 772s. Despite the public statement the route is exceeding expectations.... I wonder which benchmark they are basing that statement on? Traffic volume? Load factor? Yield? Profitability? I realise that's a new route from last year but I'd be curious to know if they had planned to boost that to daily this summer had there not been the Paris attacks. To have daily CDG would be a big chest pounder for YVR. Daily flights to 6 European airports in the summer at least would be fantastic... LHR, LGW, AMS, FRA, MUC and hopefully CDG. I still think we will see AC on YVR-FRA in the near future once LH decides what to do with YVR-FRA when the 744s get phased out.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Great news on the AC YVR-Delhi route. That's fantastic news!

So when are you gonna fly it? It seems that your work takes you everywhere far. How about India?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I'm sure we all agree.

It's amazing watching certain routes explode so quickly whilst others remain stagnant...........
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On the other hand AF on YVR-CDG seems to be stagnant with its 5 weekly summer service and 3 weekly winter service on 772s. Despite the public statement the route is exceeding expectations.... I wonder which benchmark they are basing that statement on? Traffic volume? Load factor? Yield? Profitability? I realise that's a new route from last year but I'd be curious to know if they had planned to boost that to daily this summer had there not been the Paris attacks. To have daily CDG would be a big chest pounder for YVR.

The Paris attacks really frightened a lot of tourists away. People I know who were planning to come, cancelled doing that out of fear.
To give you an example of the effect on the city, on New Year's Eve (St. Sylvestre), normally the most festive evening in the city with partying going on till the small hours,
in my neighbourhood, and others, everything - cafés, restarants, bars - were shut down tight by 9 p.m. Empty streets, like the Twilight Zone.
It was eerie, like a ghost town, and made a huge scar in the spirit of the city. For Paris, it was totally unreal, like nothing since WW2, people said.

[urbancanadian]

I flew on the YVR-CDG route a couple weeks ago and it was completely full.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Good god what kinda bird did that much damage?

The article said this - maybe a bald eagle?

Alas, the poor critter was smashed beyond recognition, and its remains have been sent to the Smithsonian to identify what kind of bird it was.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/0...nding-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird.html