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Old Posted Apr 23, 2016, 9:11 PM
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First off Wikipedia is not a credible source. Anybody can write anything there pretty much. As I already pointed out, some of the obstructed seats are an intentional design feature. i.e. they're supposed to be there. Second, even new stadiums have obstructed seats. Look to to the new Cowboy Stadium. It has some of the worst obstructed seating anywhere, and its almost brand new. Some new ballparks in the MLB have them too. Any new ballpark built will have some also. And a statement like " the design of the upper deck leaves it one of the highest in baseball." What does "one of the highest mean"? Top 5 highest? Top 25? Perhaps a better quote would be from one of the local newspapers the team has in their pocket that stated that notes the Rangers “remain one of the few teams located in a searing summer climate without a roof." Vague much?

I never said the current stadium had nothing to do with Dallas losing the team. Dallas attempted to lure the team from Arlington and it looked like it was going to happen until former president Bush & friends came forward with a deal to use taxpayer funded bonds to build a stadium for themselves.

As for the roof, those poor fans and players! How did they somehow manage to keep playing and attending baseball games in the area for the last 5 decades? Lets build them a memorial for they are truly heroes. I can see it now....THIS MEMORIAL COMMEMORATES THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO GOT A TAN & WATCHED BASEBALL OUTDOORS. MAY THEY REST IN ETERNAL PEACE

The Cowboys survived just fine without one too. But when someone offered to help pay to build them one, they went for it. Contrary to ridiculous vague statements from homer news publications, not only the Rangers, but other teams in hot climates both minor and major league, seem to manage just fine without a roof. Would it make it nicer? Sure. Is it a necessity? No Does not having one make your stadium outdated? No
But the real question is would it make you more money? YES.
LOL! You bitch about me using Wikipedia and then proceed to give me nothing but your opinion as if what you have to say is the gospel. And just what vague statements are you referring to from homer news publications? Are you claiming that it's not frickin' unbearably hot and humid in the DFW metroplex from June to September? You also most certainly did imply that the current stadium is why the team is in Arlington. Given that the team was never in Dallas what else could you have meant? It's pretty obvious you're just throwing out generalizations and twisted versions of the facts in an attempt to be right. Save your energy because the initial reason why I brought their stadium up was to offer an example to a ridiculous generalization made by another poster. Your assertion that they want to move is just as ridiculous. They want a new stadium. Every team does. End of story.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2016, 9:17 PM
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I've stated before that the CalgaryNext proposal leaves a lot to be desired. My recent comments have to do with the City's agenda-driven report on it.

How is city paying for 75% of the proposed project? They're not paying the so-called ticket tax and if they're claiming the TIF they better start factoring that in when talking about the East Village as well.

Success suburban arena? The Palace of Auburn Hills. Are you happy or are you guys going to change your definition again?
The owners are expecting a low-interest loan from the city to cover them for the ticket tax which will take several decades to pay off. I'm not even sure if they would pay the additional interest on that loan actually. Regardless, that is a burden that the city will have to bear and the money the city is borrowing could have been used for other more pressing infrastructure/service needs. There is an opportunity cost there.

The TIF will divert all tax revenue towards the arena/stadium district. Again, an opportunity cost as the money could be distributed to other areas of the city, not solely for use in the arena district.

They would be far greater benefits to the city by just converting the West Village to residential, offices and retail than a proposal that converts half the land to arena/stadium complex.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2016, 9:22 PM
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LOL! You bitch about me using Wikipedia and then proceed to give me nothing but your opinion as if what you have to say is the gospel. And just what vague statements are you referring to from homer news publications? Are you claiming that it's not frickin' unbearably hot and humid in the DFW metroplex from June to September? You also most certainly did imply that the current stadium is why the team is in Arlington. Given that the team was never in Dallas what else could you have meant? It's pretty obvious you're just throwing out generalizations and twisted versions of the facts in an attempt to be right. Save your energy because the initial reason why I brought their stadium up was to offer an example to a ridiculous generalization made by another poster. Your assertion that they want to move is just as ridiculous. They want a new stadium. Every team does. End of story.
They've been playing baseball in that heat for 5 decades; nobody died. That's a fact.

I already pointed out what I meant regarding Dallas in the last post. Ignore it if you will. Dallas went after the Rangers starting in the late 80's. Google it.

They want a new stadium. Never said they wanted to do anyhting, but if Dallas offers them a even remotely a good deal, they're gone.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2016, 9:32 PM
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They've been playing baseball in that heat for 5 decades; nobody died. That's a fact.

I already pointed out what I meant regarding Dallas in the last post. Ignore it if you will. Dallas went after the Rangers starting in the late 80's. Google it.

They want a new stadium. Never said they wanted to do anyhting, but if Dallas offers them a even remotely a good deal, they're gone.
Where did I deny that Dallas was going after them? The whole point about mentioning the Rangers and their ballpark is that a team can be successful without being downtown in the major city of the region they playing.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2016, 10:16 PM
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Is Ottawa suffering attendance wise playing in Kanata? I don't believe their planned move to the core has much to do with the team itself. As for the Coyotes, if they moved to downtown Phoenix would they be anymore successful? The Cardinals play in the exact same area as the Coyotes and they're not suffering. The Cowboys and Rangers don't play in Dallas (Arlington's actually further away from Dallas than Glendale is from Phoenix) and they're not suffering. The point of my response to the OP is that locating facilities outside of the core of a major center is not a recipe for guaranteed failure.
Attendance is pretty damn good for a mediocre team, but fans have been complaining for 20 years about the location. A larger issue is the split fan base (Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto). Because of this, it could be argued that Ottawa is the smallest NHL market (hence the cheaper tickets to fill up the arena). By placing the rink in a central location, the thought is that it will help convert some of the other two team's fan base. It would also, as mentioned by acajack, help attracting more non-hockey events to the city.

The LeBreton proposal is likely more about additional revenue from the mixed-use district that will be built around it than purely the re-location of the team. This is my belief based on three+ different schemes that were proposed for the Kanata location for such a district (first one from original owner Bruce Firestone when he initially put in a bid for an expansion team, two others by Melnyk, the current owner);

- The initial proposal in the late 80s, early 90s that helped secure an NHL team (killed by Bob Rae's NDP government);

- A soccer stadium and entertainment district in the late 2000s (City of Ottawa went with OSEG's Lansdowne proposal instead);

- A casino and entertainment district (City initially wanted downtown, then wanted an open bid before deciding to sole source to the rural Rideau Carleton raceway; Kathleen Wynn later killed OLG's plans for expansion).

The LeBreton proposal is likely Melnyk's last stand. If he loses, I think the Senators might face an uncertain future.

BTW, we will find out Thursday, April 28 at 2 p.m. EST who the NCC has chosen as the preferred bid.
     
     
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BMO Field, roof complete, lights being tested. Video courtesy ryan and pics courtesy Ivy from RPB Forum.

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Looks fantastic.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2016, 3:09 PM
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looks good. will be a great move for the Arogs. pack that place with 27K and rebuild the franchise.

hopefully next off season they fill in the north end with some sort of permanent stand
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2016, 7:15 PM
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Endzone "patio" section coming to TD Place.

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http://www.ottawaredblacks.com/west-endzone-club/
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2016, 7:27 PM
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Endzone "patio" section coming to TD Place.

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Nice. That looks great... of all the new/semi-new CFL stadiums, Ottawa has by far the most irritatingly unfinished endzones. This will help a bit in that regard.

So is that going to be a separate ticketed area in that you buy a ticket and basically watch it from this lounge?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2016, 7:29 PM
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Nice. That looks great... of all the new/semi-new CFL stadiums, Ottawa has by far the most irritatingly unfinished endzones. This will help a bit in that regard.

So is that going to be a separate ticketed area in that you buy a ticket and basically watch it from this lounge?
Looks to be, yeah. Pricing details not disclosed as of yet.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2016, 8:42 PM
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Well, that explains the hole they were digging
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2016, 8:47 PM
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Nice. That looks great... of all the new/semi-new CFL stadiums, Ottawa has by far the most irritatingly unfinished endzones. This will help a bit in that regard.

So is that going to be a separate ticketed area in that you buy a ticket and basically watch it from this lounge?
Keep tacking on this kind of stuff and we might one day actually have a full-ish "bowl".
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2016, 9:11 PM
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Keep tacking on this kind of stuff and we might one day actually have a full-ish "bowl".
I was hoping for actual stands in the endzones with a lounge on top, but I'll settle for this.
     
     
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Although work started about a month ago, today was the official groundbreaking for Moncton's new arena complex.

Complete with a live view.
     
     
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Keep tacking on this kind of stuff and we might one day actually have a full-ish "bowl".
Hopefully it sells out and they do something similar next year to the other end zone.

"I was hoping for actual stands in the endzones with a lounge on top, but I'll settle for this."

I think this is a reaction on how well received Hamilton's endzone seating was with fans. Last year the CFL was all over bosting about "communal areas" instead of grandstand seating because it seems to be more popular with younger audiences.
     
     
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City council asks Flames, Stamps to consider other stadium locations
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CALGARY - The City of Calgary batted the ball back to the Calgary Flames in asking the NHL team to consider other locations and options for a new arena and football stadium.

Council has invited Calgary Flames Sports and Entertainment, who also own the CFL's Stampeders, to respond to a city manager's report stating the proposed location on the west side of downtown was too much money.

Without completely slamming the door shut on constructing a 20,000-seat arena, a 30,000-seat football stadium and fieldhouse all in the yet-to-be-developed West Village, the Flames were asked to work with the city and Calgary Stampede in investigating an arena build at the Stampede Park, as well as a renovation of McMahon Stadium.

"It really is not just punting the ball further down the field, but really trying to keep options open to see if there's anything possible there if the CalgaryNext proposal in the West Village proves completely unfeasible," Mayor Naheed Nenshi said.

"The report did say it was not feasible in its current forms. The question is do you make it feasible or do you have to think of something else?"

An alternative location for the multi-purpose fieldhouse was also debated.

The initial estimate of the proposed CalgaryNext project was $890 million when announced last August.

But a city report released late week pegged the bill at $1.8 billion — with taxpayers bearing as much as $1.3 billion — when costs of land, municipal infrastructure, environmental remediation and financing are incorporated.

The Flames have offered $200 million of their money for the project and proposed a $250-million loan be repaid through a ticket surcharge.

Calgary Flames president and chief executive officer Ken King felt encouraged after council's debate Monday because the West Village option wasn't off the table. The door was still open to address council's concerns with it, he said.

"I'm thrilled, frankly," King said. "We now know specifically and precisely some of the issues they're concerned about so we can hone in on those and deal with them on a direct basis.

"We've always known the contentious issues, but I think this was a level of clarity that came out of this report, which is something to focus on."

While the West Village was clearly still the Flames' preferred option, King said they were open to exploring a Plan B of the arena at Stampede Park and a McMahon reno.

"We will see how palatable that is," King said. "We were asked to contemplate that when we were briefed on this report. We would be somewhat hypocritical not to keep an open mind about that."

The Flames will be invited to a city strategic planning meeting in June to give their response.

The Scotiabank Saddledome, built on the Stampede grounds in 1983, will be the oldest NHL arena next season. McMahon Stadium was built in 1960.

One of the major costs of the CalgaryNext project is decontaminating the proposed site south of the Bow River, which was once a creosote wood-treatment plant.

The report said a quick remediation of three years would cost $140 million, while a slower pace of five years dropped the cost considerably to $85 million. But add construction to the latter option and it could take up to a decade to complete the project.

"Yes it's cheaper than we thought to do the cleanup, but it's going to take a lot of years, on the outside even 10 years," Nenshi said. "You can't start building anything subsurface until that's done.

"I think what council said today is to look around Stampede Park and see if there's anything there and I think that's something well-worth doing."

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman urged the city to get moving on a new arena during a stop in Calgary in January, saying the city could fall out of consideration for hosting major hockey events like the draft and the all-star game.

"The longer it takes, the harder the task becomes," Bettman said. "CalgaryNext needs to happen and as part of the broader project, the Flames need a new arena."
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2016, 11:56 AM
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The Scotiabank Saddledome, built on the Stampede grounds in 1983, will be the oldest NHL arena next season.
Well, I guess if you don't count MSG

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The thought that somehow a half billion+ new building is required to accommodate a function that until recently was held in hotel ballrooms is laughable. Better hurry up and get that arena built Calgary, spend a billion dollars so you can get the $3 million economic benefit of hosting the NHL entry draft
     
     
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^ MSG is pretty much an entirely new facility after their billion dollar renovation

I think given the current economic state in Alberta, if the Flames want to get into a new arena in the next 5-7 years it's going to have to be a stand alone rink and not CalgaryNext
     
     
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