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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 7:19 PM
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I wonder what these crosses are doing on this school building next to Churchill ...



Perchance it is the religious studies annex?
I concede on this one! LOL. I read it as him saying Churchill was Catholic.

From a student population perspective, Churchill is way, way bigger.

Interestingly, I find that the skew of students who take the bus as way higher than I recall when I went to school. Likely because the catchment areas are bigger and I'm guessing the populations at the school are larger also (larger classes, plus possibly portables or something else of the sort).
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 7:48 PM
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Another — imbecile. Churchill is a CBE school.

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I wonder what these crosses are doing on this school building next to Churchill ...



Perchance it is the religious studies annex?
Glad the ignore function is doing its job.

I went to every school in that complex except Brebeuf. Screw Brebeuf.
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You trolls keep trying to introduce irrelevant items into the conversation. Bikes, cars nor buses are not firetrucks. Now please go back and finish those cheerios before they get mushy.
Suburbia, I'm going to have to lean in and point out that while you are grossly abusing the anecdotes that you have been collecting, you are also abusing other members here and I have to say that you will have to stop with this if you want to continue participating here.
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Why is this an issue at all? It isn't like there is problems with road capacity on that stretch. Even with the bike lanes and bus lay-bys the road is still 4 lanes with dedicated turning lanes.
Calling that section of Northmount as having four lanes is like calling Crowchild Northbound over the Bow as having 3 lanes. Reality on Northland is that there is only one through lane plus one lane that is either left or right hand turn.

Just pointing out the facts as I see them unfolding infront of my car.

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Ah, the old Chu conspiracy of cyclists spending hours with nothing better to do than circle the block. Good one. The count takes place yearly, as mentioned in the article, I believe in May. No one is cooking the numbers.
The count takes place yearly, and while I do not agree with Chu's conspiracy, I believe the count should take place at random day that is not generally identifiable. Basically like having a fire drill in office tower, no one is told the day and time.

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I just wished he stuck to his own ward with his attitude rather than go and unconstructively criticize projects elsewhere.
In 2017, the Northmount area will be Chu's (Ward 4) and not Farrell's (Ward 7), therefore it is reasonable to conclude that he will wear the hat of whatever council decides. Also Chu's Ward includes Edgemont, and those folks are not infavour of the changes to Northmount Drive at all. Councillors have to be constantly concerned about the next election and how they will get re-elected (assuming they want the job in the next term).
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2016, 1:26 AM
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That will only be Chu's ward if he wins, which, for the benefit of the city and sanity, I really hope he doesn't.
And again, the concept that cyclists are actively gaming the count is absolutely ridiculous. These are normal people who use the bike lanes, you could probably count on 2 hands the number of people that even know a count ever takes place. The number of people who even know what the actual date is? Probably count that on one hand, or one finger. No one is circling the block.

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Old Posted Apr 2, 2016, 2:42 AM
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Just pointing out the facts as I see them unfolding infront of my car.
Is this approximately the same place where the average driver believes that he/she is better than about 90% of other drivers? Or maybe it's the same place where everybody suddenly believes to have the solutions to all our traffic problems (ignoring the obvious irony, that they are part of the problem)? Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty good place to be collecting facts.
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Is this approximately the same place where the average driver believes that he/she is better than about 90% of other drivers? Or maybe it's the same place where everybody suddenly believes to have the solutions to all our traffic problems (ignoring the obvious irony, that they are part of the problem)? Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty good place to be collecting facts.
I'm not sure how that rant against drivers is relevant. Currently anecdotes are the only data we have, and I would be very surprised if actual data would disagree with the anecdotes that this section of cycleway is underused - so let's stop pretending and make the case for cycling infrastructure sensibly.

Yes, that section is probably very lightly used by cyclists, but rather than argue for tearing it down, we should build more cycle ways to increase connectivity to make it better used. There is no need for this battle of cars vs cyclists.
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I'm not sure how that rant against drivers is relevant. Currently anecdotes are the only data we have, and I would be very surprised if actual data would disagree with the anecdotes that this section of cycleway is underused - so let's stop pretending and make the case for cycling infrastructure sensibly.

Yes, that section is probably very lightly used by cyclists, but rather than argue for tearing it down, we should build more cycle ways to increase connectivity to make it better used. There is no need for this battle of cars vs cyclists.
The rant isn't against drivers. It's against baseless (or highly skewed) assertions that tend to be typical of drivers. It's not so much a car driver's fault as it is human nature's. The majority of people in this city drive to get around, and the majority of casual observations favour or fall into the perspective of the car driver. Yet, these are very often wrong, which is what I'm pointing out. Furthermore, it seems to lend everyone that drives the belief that they actually know how to solve the broader issues (including simple localized congestion), let alone something strategic. Well, they don't.

So yes it doesn't apply directly to Northland/Northmount, but broadly, which then indirectly applies.

I'm not even inclined to disagree that the anecdotes do not tell a fairly accurate story. However, that only leads in to a larger discussion and issue, in that even if we had concrete data, it wouldn't tell us all that much. For the purposes of brevity, I'll just go to my default historical analogy: How many roads would we have today if we based our decisions purely on data (# of vehicles on the road) when the first vehicle was on our streets? Well, about 0 if we were to strictly apply the logic of data, which is presumed to provide us with the correct course of action.

I absolutely agree the solution is build more, but if you believe this isn't actually a battle, then I challenge you to partake. It may not be judicious to call it that openly, but that is precisely what it is. It's not as if rationality frequently enters the ring and we all go home winning. I don't think I need to expand on that.

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“The view from the dashboard, from the front window of the car, is going to be looking at the view of cars and the density is high,” Levinson told Streetsblog. “And you’re going to look at the other lane and see there’s no bicycles in it and you’re going to think nobody’s using it.”
http://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/04/01/wh...-of-bike-traffic-can-still-appear-empty/

https://transportationist.org/2016/03/30/on-why-bike-lanes-might-appear-underutilized/
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Suburbia, I'm going to have to lean in and point out that while you are grossly abusing the anecdotes that you have been collecting, you are also abusing other members here and I have to say that you will have to stop with this if you want to continue participating here.
Indeed. Noted.

I've let some of the folks get to me a pinch too much.
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The rant isn't against drivers. It's against baseless (or highly skewed) assertions that tend to be typical of drivers. It's not so much a car driver's fault as it is human nature's. The majority of people in this city drive to get around, and the majority of casual observations favour or fall into the perspective of the car driver. Yet, these are very often wrong, which is what I'm pointing out. Furthermore, it seems to lend everyone that drives the belief that they actually know how to solve the broader issues (including simple localized congestion), let alone something strategic. Well, they don't.

So yes it doesn't apply directly to Northland/Northmount, but broadly, which then indirectly applies.

I'm not even inclined to disagree that the anecdotes do not tell a fairly accurate story. However, that only leads in to a larger discussion and issue, in that even if we had concrete data, it wouldn't tell us all that much. For the purposes of brevity, I'll just go to my default historical analogy: How many roads would we have today if we based our decisions purely on data (# of vehicles on the road) when the first vehicle was on our streets? Well, about 0 if we were to strictly apply the logic of data, which is presumed to provide us with the correct course of action.

I absolutely agree the solution is build more, but if you believe this isn't actually a battle, then I challenge you to partake. It may not be judicious to call it that openly, but that is precisely what it is. It's not as if rationality frequently enters the ring and we all go home winning. I don't think I need to expand on that.

Anyway, because the timing is delicious:



http://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/04/01/wh...-of-bike-traffic-can-still-appear-empty/

https://transportationist.org/2016/03/30/on-why-bike-lanes-might-appear-underutilized/
It still doesn't mean the Northland lanes are well used though and the anecdotes are wrong, we simply don't have the data. And I would be very surprised if they are well used - why would they be? They don't go anywhere. To say they are well used because we have no evidence to the contrary is the same fallacious argument religious wingnuts use to say there is a god - it doesn't hold up.

You may view it as a battle, but positioning yourself that way won't win many arguments. Simply telling drivers how bad and wrong they are isn't going to win many friends when most people are just trying to get around the city with the least pain. Rather than using negative arguments there are positive ones to be made - for every car user on a bus or a bike that means one fewer car on the road and less congestion which is good for everyone.
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On a different note - I rode down the Bow today and see that there has been zero progress recently on rebuilding the IOL refinery/Beaverdam flats section of bikeway which is a PITA - the sign even has Dec 15 sharpied into Dec 16 as the finish date.

Anyone know what the hold up is? If it's money then I think this would be a good use of the Liberal infrastructure spending money.
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Federal money isn't as flexible as that! But it does free up city money to use otherwise.

Mostly root bumps? On the canal path right south of Glenmore it was pretty annoying yesterday.
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2016, 3:23 PM
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It still doesn't mean the Northland lanes are well used though and the anecdotes are wrong, we simply don't have the data. And I would be very surprised if they are well used - why would they be? They don't go anywhere.
When driving on Northland this morning, I did see a cycle, and I tracked where it was going. The cycle lane crosses over Crowchild, then goes on to a separated bike path that takes it to the cycle lane on 37th street that goes directly past the university research park employment hub and continues all the way to the University of Calgary. Looking at the map, it is an extremely efficient path, and more direct than what cars have to do. So it looks like the Northland cycle track connects a large mall, at least two schools, the university research park (Smart, Shell Tech Centre, Canadian Food Inspection, CLS, Alberta Core Research Centre, Geological Survey of Canada, etc.) as well as UCalgary (enrollment of over 30,000 students + several thousand staff). Arguably it also connects to the Foothills Campus via the separated path along West Campus Blvd (Health Sciences and the Foothills Hospital, the largest hospital in Alberta with thousands of employees) which is another huge hub.

As such, I'm perplexed when people say this track doesn't lead anywhere. The above is my reconnaissance on site.

I also wanted to highlight once again three points that some may have missed or might have been ignored:

1. The reserve for the cycle lane in both directions of Northland is about the width of 1.3 car lanes (est. but is definitely much wider than a regular lane), so in total the cycle lanes in both directions take up at least 2.5 car lane widths (30' or so I'd say). This is part of the reason so much concrete had to be poured to create these lanes - the concrete blocks of a lot of width. Can this be made more efficient?? See https://goo.gl/maps/2Sgw2h8EMtz (I'm including the wide concrete, as it was installed for this)

2. Given the large employment centres, the university and the hospital that this piece connects, I think we need to make it work for the long term, however, as I had articulated in my earlier posts, the major issues are actually in winter. That is when there are challenges and costs with snow clearing, all the signposts get destroyed even by the buses, and the concrete they have laid down takes a beating (because no one knows where it is and the buses repeatedly go over corners). As such, is it possible to design a track that is dedicated in the warmer months, when the usage is many fold higher (though still meager compared to all of our wishes)?

3. The last piece, which I had highlighted a year or so ago and only got dumped on without people responding thoughtfully, is the fact that where the cycle lane crosses over the car lanes they have a stop sign, however, the cycles that do use this lane always cut across lanes of traffic immediately before the stop sign, and then re-join the cycle lane after the stop sign. The experience I witnessed was that a car almost hit a cycle purely because they didn't expect the cyclist to jut out of their dedicated lane. The cyclist did not slow down and yield into the car lane, and I thought about why that may have been, and realized it was going northbound approaching —, so there is a slight uphill. The cyclist would have needed to expend more energy, so instead, just hopped in front of a car. So all the editorial aside, is there a better way, as the fact in reality the cyclists are jumping the stop signs is a foundational issue. Here is one of the spots - the curved portion on the right is meant for cyclists to make the slight turn in and then stop to wait for a space between the cars (and this is a busy area in during rush hour): https://goo.gl/maps/yFvMqJ3e1DF2

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When driving on Northland this morning, I did see a cycle, and I tracked where it was going. The cycle lane crosses over Crowchild, then goes on to a separated bike path that takes it to the cycle lane on 37th street that goes directly past the university research park employment hub and continues all the way to the University of Calgary. Looking at the map, it is an extremely efficient path, and more direct than what cars have to do. So it looks like the Northland cycle track connects a large mall, at least two schools, the university research park (Smart, Shell Tech Centre, Canadian Food Inspection, CLS, Alberta Core Research Centre, Geological Survey of Canada, etc.) as well as UCalgary (enrollment of over 30,000 students + several thousand staff). Arguably it also connects to the Foothills Campus via the separated path along West Campus Blvd (Health Sciences and the Foothills Hospital, the largest hospital in Alberta with thousands of employees) which is another huge hub.

As such, I'm perplexed when people say this track doesn't lead anywhere. The above is my reconnaissance on site.

I also wanted to highlight once again three points that some may have missed or might have been ignored:

1. The reserve for the cycle lane in both directions of Northland is about the width of 1.3 car lanes (est. but is definitely much wider than a regular lane), so in total the cycle lanes in both directions take up at least 2.5 car lane widths (30' or so I'd say). This is part of the reason so much concrete had to be poured to create these lanes - the concrete blocks of a lot of width. Can this be made more efficient?? See https://goo.gl/maps/2Sgw2h8EMtz (I'm including the wide concrete, as it was installed for this)

2. Given the large employment centres, the university and the hospital that this piece connects, I think we need to make it work for the long term, however, as I had articulated in my earlier posts, the major issues are actually in winter. That is when there are challenges and costs with snow clearing, all the signposts get destroyed even by the buses, and the concrete they have laid down takes a beating (because no one knows where it is and the buses repeatedly go over corners). As such, is it possible to design a track that is dedicated in the warmer months, when the usage is many fold higher (though still meager compared to all of our wishes)?

3. The last piece, which I had highlighted a year or so ago and only got dumped on without people responding thoughtfully, is the fact that where the cycle lane crosses over the car lanes they have a stop sign, however, the cycles that do use this lane always cut across lanes of traffic immediately before the stop sign, and then re-join the cycle lane after the stop sign. The experience I witnessed was that a car almost hit a cycle purely because they didn't expect the cyclist to jut out of their dedicated lane. The cyclist did not slow down and yield into the car lane, and I thought about why that may have been, and realized it was going northbound approaching —, so there is a slight uphill. The cyclist would have needed to expend more energy, so instead, just hopped in front of a car. So all the editorial aside, is there a better way, as the fact in reality the cyclists are jumping the stop signs is a foundational issue. Here is one of the spots - the curved portion on the right is meant for cyclists to make the slight turn in and then stop to wait for a space between the cars (and this is a busy area in during rush hour): https://goo.gl/maps/yFvMqJ3e1DF2
Some updates on this ...

While driving there twice yesterday and today morning, I've seen more cycles than normal, and while weather is a factor, it seems this year is better than my recollection from last year. For the first time, this morning I say two cycles going in the same direction within the couple minutes I'm on that stretch. I also saw a cycle yesterday both in the morning and in the evening. Clearly anecdotal, but to have driving three times in a row and seen at least one cycle per time is a first. I think this will improve over time, but I also actually think Sean Chu highlighting this stretch has helped it. Further, I also saw a counting set-up there both yesterday and today, so there will be numbers soon.

The above said, and agreeing thus that a cycle track is required there, I still think my points in the prior post are all completely valid, and deserve some attention.
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1. It's probably that way due to the original road design. If there were extra-wide lanes already and just taking the "extra" part of each lane isn't enough for a bike lane then the option is to take more than is needed. That extra real estate would be wasted no matter which side of the divider it was on.

2. Probably possible, but there isn't a motor-traffic increase during the months that bike traffic is low (nov-march?). September is probably peak for both. There are those few snow days or ice days where an extra lane could be useful, but those are limited, and from my experience there are enough bad drivers that on first-snow-of-the-season day there could be an infinite amount of road space and people would still manage to hit eachother and block intersections.

3. That turn pocket isn't a good solution either. the general rule of the road is that turning traffic yield to through traffic, that design reverses that. a better design would allow bike traffic to cross turning traffic at close to perpendicular, and with space and visibility to allow turning traffic to yield. If the intent were not to minimize changes to infrastructure there the better way would be to have the bike lane swing out and cross the turn lane with the sidewalk. As much as it would be great if everyone followed the rules, giving bikes extra stop signs in addition to timing lights for car speeds is not the way to encourage compliance.
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1. It's probably that way due to the original road design. If there were extra-wide lanes already and just taking the "extra" part of each lane isn't enough for a bike lane then the option is to take more than is needed. That extra real estate would be wasted no matter which side of the divider it was on.
No - the amount of tar was definitely added. Additionally, it you consider the track on 12th, they only do it on one side of the street and have it two way, so it is a huge difference. While there could be the argument that there is too much tar there irrespective of car or bike, the snow clearing and maintenance challenges of having the lane on both sides could potentially be dissipated.

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2. Probably possible, but there isn't a motor-traffic increase during the months that bike traffic is low (nov-march?). September is probably peak for both. There are those few snow days or ice days where an extra lane could be useful, but those are limited, and from my experience there are enough bad drivers that on first-snow-of-the-season day there could be an infinite amount of road space and people would still manage to hit eachother and block intersections.
You may have missed my prior posts on this and the valid parts of Chu's commentary. The lanes, with the concrete separators and all the sign posts make it a massive challenge when there is snow. Not only the increased maintenance cost of smaller snow removal vehicles for the lanes, but also because it becomes a gauntlet for buses going in and out, ending up destroying many of those sign posts and crushing segments of concrete with repeated "blind" maneuvering, because you can't see the concrete when snow is piled on it (and can't be effectively cleared). So a definite help in winter (including with real costs the city has to fork out), while really no one (okay, very, very few) use that 30' of bandwidth.

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3. That turn pocket isn't a good solution either. the general rule of the road is that turning traffic yield to through traffic, that design reverses that. a better design would allow bike traffic to cross turning traffic at close to perpendicular, and with space and visibility to allow turning traffic to yield. If the intent were not to minimize changes to infrastructure there the better way would be to have the bike lane swing out and cross the turn lane with the sidewalk. As much as it would be great if everyone followed the rules, giving bikes extra stop signs in addition to timing lights for car speeds is not the way to encourage compliance.
The challenge is this is a rather major and busy road during rush hours, particularly from and to Shaganappi. To have the turn traffic going on to a major road yield to the cycles at that point would be disaster, and would create not only huge back-ups, but also accidents given the nature of the road that cars are driving into. I agree compliance is a major issue with cycles - I've only ever seen one cycle actually stop, and I regularly see rather bad behavior by cyclists on that stretch (not that long ago, one riding from corner to corner crossing Shaganappi, when it was not even a green).

Anyway - more work required. Again this morning I saw a cycle choose to move straight on a through lane, and then cut in front of a line of turning cars, instead of playing by regular traffic rules. This is a major challenge, the pick and choose, and go between because I'm small.
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Just bought a mountain bike (hard tail XC) and am looking for suggestions on good places in the city to ride, both on path and off. Did a 45km trip around the Bow River pathway last weekend, maybe going to head up to Nose Hill or the area around the Weaselhead this weekend, provided it's not pouring out.
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Just bought a mountain bike (hard tail XC) and am looking for suggestions on good places in the city to ride, both on path and off. Did a 45km trip around the Bow River pathway last weekend, maybe going to head up to Nose Hill or the area around the Weaselhead this weekend, provided it's not pouring out.
That's great! As we all know Calgary is a great city for recreation biking. For off road I suggest going to Fish Creek park on the south bank of the valley. There are great mountain biking paths and it's usually not very busy. And for on path biking, any where along the river pathways is always good.

Good for you! Biking is a great way to explore the city and check out construction happenings
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Just bought a mountain bike (hard tail XC) and am looking for suggestions on good places in the city to ride, both on path and off. Did a 45km trip around the Bow River pathway last weekend, maybe going to head up to Nose Hill or the area around the Weaselhead this weekend, provided it's not pouring out.
East COP is great (easily accessed from the gravel parking lot on the west side at the base of the sarcee hill, just south of the TCH -- which is also accessible by dirt path along the south side of the bow from Edworthy). Bowmont Park is also good.
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A fun long flat trip to introduce friends that may be reluctant to join you for long distances is along the irrigation canal out to Chestermere.
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