Winnipeg Construction VIII - Page 471

Urban recluse · #**9401** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 4:40 PM**

Looking at the new thread that was started, and what Winnipeg has going on...and then looking at what is going on in Halifax and Boise (just randomly looking at developments in those cities), I seem to be annoyed.

BAKGUY · #**9402** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 4:59 PM**

Yuk, looks gross...Place Louis Riel was never fabulous but now looks like a rusted out low end housing development leftovers.

jmt18325 · #**9403** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 5:50 PM**

As was said, it takes a while to get to the desired look.

People on this forum are so glass half empty.

Cyro · #**9404** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 6:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

This design would be acceptable for Regent Ave or Kenaston; not for the village. It is very sterile.

Hmm, there's quite a bit of sterile going on here ( village) if that render is categorized as such.

Urban recluse · #**9405** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 6:38 PM**

Designs in the village need to be hip, funky, and cool. That design would be suitable for a senior's residence.

Perhaps something like this:

http://austintowers.net/condos/barton-place/

14NM · #**9406** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 8:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Designs in the village need to be hip, funky, and cool. That design would be suitable for a senior's residence.

Perhaps something like this:

http://austintowers.net/condos/barton-place/

I'm not sure as to why no developer is ballsy enough to make something like this happen. This kind of project (with some street level component) would do very well in the Village.

bomberjet · #**9407** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 9:06 PM**

It'll cost more than putting up a square box with Hardie board exterior.

Urban recluse · #**9408** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 9:29 PM**

The city needs to demand better designs, and cease passing any proposal that comes along.

bomberjet · #**9409** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 9:34 PM**

While I agree with you Urban, the City has zero backbone when it comes to most everything.

Urban recluse · #**9410** Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 9:42 PM**

While they did vis-a-vis Earl's on Main, that is the exception. Proposals for the Village, Corydon and downtown (incl the Exchange) must be of finer quality in terms of designs and materials. If a developer wanted to build this Roslyn proposal on Ellice or Sherbrook, I could accept that.

jmt18325 · #**9411** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 4:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Looking at the new thread that was started, and what Winnipeg has going on...and then looking at what is going on in Halifax and Boise (just randomly looking at developments in those cities), I seem to be annoyed.

By how many more and larger projects are happening in Winnipeg?

Urban recluse · #**9412** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 1:22 PM**

I did not do a complete analysis, but while perusing the threads, it seems that way.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=223

Authentic_City · #**9413** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 1:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

People on this forum are so glass half empty.

This certainly seems to be the case of late. While I would be the first to express skepticism about individual project proposals when it's due, I find the recent discussion has shifted to a lot of general complaining about the look of particular buildings or a desire for projects in Winnipeg to be as grand as what we imagine is happening in other cities. This has become a tiresome mantra on this thread of late, despite the fact that there are some really exciting projects on the horizon for downtown Winnipeg. I don't get it.

Urban recluse · #**9414** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 1:57 PM**

Do not make it a goal to "get it". We all have the right to raise concerns about what is happening, and not happening in Winnipeg. Excitement may come with projects, and it may wane with others, or lackthereof.

Anyway, Thinking about the McLaren, how wonderful would it be to see it redeveloped? This coupled with the museum expansion could truly kick-start revitalization in the area.
I just read this article, and immediately thought of the McLaren (which could be a part of the redevelopment of the PSB):

http://detroit.curbed.com/2015/11/16/989...r-building-renaissance-revival-instagram

bomberjet · #**9415** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 2:04 PM**

But wait, the Untied Way didn't say Main St? I jest.

Authentic_City · #**9416** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 2:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Do not make it a goal to "get it". We all have the right to raise concerns about what is happening, and not happening in Winnipeg. Excitement may come with projects, and it may wane with others, or lackthereof.

Hey, I don't dispute anybody's right to be negative, I'm just saying it's getting tiresome. Also, it's a pretty simplistic form of critique, unlike what we used to hear back in the day from Simplicity who at least bolstered his negative assessments with some pretty complex economic analyses. Just sayin.

esquire · #**9417** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Authentic_City

This certainly seems to be the case of late. While I would be the first to express skepticism about individual project proposals when it's due, I find the recent discussion has shifted to a lot of general complaining about the look of particular buildings or a desire for projects in Winnipeg to be as grand as what we imagine is happening in other cities. This has become a tiresome mantra on this thread of late, despite the fact that there are some really exciting projects on the horizon for downtown Winnipeg. I don't get it.

That's mainly coming from one corner. For the most part, I think there is a fair bit of excitement over what's happening.

LilZebra · #**9418** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 2:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Designs in the village need to be hip, funky, and cool. That design would be suitable for a senior's residence.

Perhaps something like this:

http://austintowers.net/condos/barton-place/

Add 3-5 more storeys and this would be fine.

Cyro · #**9419** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Authentic_City

Also, it's a pretty simplistic form of critique..

.. pretty complex economic analyses..

Some will only look at the renders and say, why not here?

.. without looking past the images at the economics, location..etc.

As for the example posted: Same page..

http://austintowers.net/condos/barton-place/

Austin, TX 78704 Location and climate..

Units from 683 – 1732 SF

Least Expensive Unit: $263,000 ($385/SF)...$US Dollar

Urban recluse · #**9420** Posted **Apr 22, 2016, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Authentic_City

Hey, I don't dispute anybody's right to be negative, I'm just saying it's getting tiresome. Also, it's a pretty simplistic form of critique, unlike what we used to hear back in the day from Simplicity who at least bolstered his negative assessments with some pretty complex economic analyses. Just sayin.

He would be the first to rebuke TNS. He would have immediately dismissed it as not probable, realistic, the economics of it do not work, etc.

Regardless of the project, he attacked it. I lost interest in his thoughts because according to him, nothing was feasible in Winnipeg. I call that BS. Smart he may be, I was not buying a lot of what he was trying to sell.

So many developers will try to maximize profit beyond what is acceptable by attempting to use the cheapest materials, and will try to justify it anyway they can, and they will convince the city of that. They can go to Hell. The few developers we see building appealing projects can be saluted, and the city can continue to demand better designs and materials.

In terms of negativity, go look in the mirror and chant whatever makes you positive. It is not negative to want to see better designs in Winnipeg. To accept mediocrity may be work for you, but that will not be embraced and celebrated by those of us here with higher standards.