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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 3:12 PM
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New Calgary Transit map.

Primary Transit Network, LRT and BRT Network:

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...ects/Primary-Transit-Network-Mar2016.pdf
Looks liek the West-LRT has an extra stop! Stimulus project wishful thinking anyone?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 3:14 PM
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Looks liek the West-LRT has an extra stop! Stimulus project wishful thinking anyone?
West Ring Road is drawn in too
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 3:49 PM
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New Calgary Transit map.

Primary Transit Network, LRT and BRT Network:

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...ects/Primary-Transit-Network-Mar2016.pdf
It would be interesting to see if applying the colour theme to the BRT routes would be useful. Perhaps the Purple (SE 17), Orange (16 Ave), Gold (SW BRT) and Silver (306-Westbrook-Quarry Park) could be some options.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 5:21 PM
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New Calgary Transit map.

Primary Transit Network, LRT and BRT Network:

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...ects/Primary-Transit-Network-Mar2016.pdf
Did the content of this link change since last night?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 5:26 PM
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Did the content of this link change since last night?
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That pro-transit group has established a website: http://www.iloveyyctransit.ca/ and are looking for pro-transit people.
Thanks for the link. Will have to reach out to them.
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The federal budget included $3.4B over 3 years for public transit. Alberta is eligible for 10.28% of this amount based on transit ridership. "To get projects moving quickly, the Government will fund up to 50 per cent of eligible costs for
projects."

That is not a lot of money. It might buy us a few more LRT cars.
     
     
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Yeah. The per year amount is limited. So was the old program. The GreenLine commitment by the Harper government was over 20 years.

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New Calgary Transit map.

Primary Transit Network, LRT and BRT Network:

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...ects/Primary-Transit-Network-Mar2016.pdf
Why has the extension of the west leg of the LRT to 85th not been included?
     
     
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thought this might be of interest here:

Has BART's cutting-edge 1972 technology design come back to haunt it?
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In 1972, President Richard Nixon sat in a brand-new BART car and took a quick trip from San Leandro to Lake Merritt. He commented on how the train reminded him of NASA.

He wasn't far off. The consultants who designed the gleaming new rapid transit system did, in fact, use principles developed for the aerospace industry rather than tried-and-true rail standards.

Cars were lighter, more aerodynamic and controlled almost entirely by an automated computer system. As Fortune magazine put it, the move was like going straight from a DC-3 to the 747 aircraft.

But did BART's ingenuity decades ago doom it for shutdowns such as the ones that have crippled the system in recent weeks? Or is the agency's problem typical of a 44-year-old system with infrastructure nearing or exceeding its life expectancy?
     
     
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Plus, the aging system was designed to move 100,000 people per week and now carries 430,000 a day
Seems the only lesson to be learned is if you choose a hi-tech system, don't expect there not to be major issues if you're using it 40 yrs later at 30x the volume it was designed for.
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Seems the only lesson to be learned is if you choose a hi-tech system, don't expect there not to be major issues if you're using it 40 yrs later at 30x the volume it was designed for.
That 100K riders per week is an amazing zombie statistic that I thought the Mercury-News would know better than to repeat; it's from a misstatement the BART twitter guy made during his spree the other day, but is actually the number of riders the first week or something. All the projections had ridership at over a million per week early off, if not higher.

In any case, BART is an object lesson about trying to create your own standard instead of buying off-the-rack.
     
     
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The SWBRT engagement portal is now online.

http://engage.calgary.ca/BRT

I worry that only those with a grudge will take the time to post, and I hope everyone, supportive or otherwise, will take the time to say what they think.
Definitely looking forward to the Crosstown BRT to get to MRU.

     
     
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Went for a walk through Eagle ridge the other day. It is a very nice, obviously well-heeled, neighborhood -though all the anti-brt signage certainly spoils the character.

After being on the other side of the giant wall separating 14th from from the neighborhood, I'm more confused than ever about why these people are so against a bus.
     
     
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After being on the other side of the giant wall separating 14th from from the neighborhood, I'm more confused than ever about why these people are so against a bus.
Cost? Unproven ridership? Untold years of construction affecting the only access road to their neighborhood and all along 14th?
     
     
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Unproven ridership?
How do you prove ridership for a brand new route?
     
     
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As far as I can tell, the core of the opposition is that it will take longer to get into the Glenmore Landing Mall and to make the right turn off of 14th South onto 75th Ave. Then there is the esthetic argument that having a two lane busway on one side of the street is unsettling, and the parkland argument at the terminal, which as far as I can see is now a noise argument about the turn around at Woodpark and 24th.

Certainly after the 75th/Rockyview Station is built, arguments against massive upzoning in Eagle Ridge go away. We haven't heard that stated, but I'd bet that is part of it.
     
     
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Cost? Unproven ridership? Untold years of construction affecting the only access road to their neighborhood and all along 14th?
Currie Barracks, MRU and Rockyview Hospital alone are adding 20K jobs to the area. That's just jobs.
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Genuine question for those in the industry: How do you prove ridership before you build something like this? Just running a bus service that mimics the proposed route will not give a good indication of ridership because the fully-mixed-traffic route will not encourage new users like the Transitway will.

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None of these resonate to me as legitimate. I can't put my finger on it, but it all feels disingenuous, and they seem like side arguments that do not fully explain the core of the opposition.
Maybe I'm biased since I'm a transportation modeller, but one of the best ways to get a sense of the demand for ridership is running a transportation model to produce ridership forecasts. While a model can't necessarily capture all of the minute aspects of a transportation project, they can do a good job of assessing many of the sorts of improvements that this project will represent - faster ride time, frequent service and fewer transfers. Modelling tends to be more reliable when done for projects similar to those that already exist in an area - trying to produce a forecast for a high-quality transit service in Calgary is easier than for, say, Victoria, because here we already have a lot of information about how people will and won't use high-quality transit. Some potential benefits that are harder to represent in a model are reliability improvements, waiting at more pleasant stations, and the "status" or "permanence" effect of a transitway versus just bus service. Calgary - who (disclaimer) I have worked with in the past - have a good modelling group and have produced pretty accurate opening day forecasts of other major transit projects, including the West LRT.
     
     
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I do wonder how much ridership this will generate considering only a small section of it is true BRT. The section between Mt Royal and downtown is still basically a normal bus, yet that's where improvement is needed the most.

I hope there is an intention to quickly look at making the whole thing BRT. Ditto the 17th Ave transitway, which needs a segregated route into downtown.
     
     
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