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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 9:23 PM
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Change means BOOM!. There's no middle ground. Of course, we haven't seen any change as we haven't heard a BOOM!. It will happen at some point despite all efforts to keep it going. That we haven't heard a BOOM! yet despite years of speculation of pending BOOM!s is not sound reasoning for it not to happen.

Hardest hit will be first time home buyers.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 10:55 PM
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Toronto, job market is getting better and better....people that don't deserve high paying jobs are getting them, and people continue to move to the central city. Recipe for high home prices for the foreseeable future..My recommendation for first time homebuyers..move to Ingersoll or Barrie.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 11:22 PM
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About the most optimistic I've seen anyone over the job market in Toronto. It's pretty mediocre right now. You could probably even say depressed if it wasn't for real estate.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 11:55 PM
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Well looks like Vancouver home sales hit a all-time record in March with over 5,000 sales.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/04/04/vancouver-real-estate-sales_n_9612396.html
I believe it. Hopefully this leads to the market seizing up at some point. Its gotta happen sooner or later. Panic buying and selling could be a good sign for that. I don't know. Its messed up. And its not jut Vancouver but Fraser Valley is crazy too and I know for a fact Sunshine Coast set records so the craziness is spilling out of metro Vancouver to nearby regions. It cant last. I want to see the breaking point...Also wish I timed this thing better, I did not see this coming especially when growth is slowing. I know the saying that markets before imploding tend to be irrational, I would say what we are seeing right now is pretty irrational. At this rate if the wheels don't fall of this year expect to see double digit increases in 2016 again (on million dollar properties that is 6 figure increases). This cant possibly end well.
So what will happen in Vancouver if potential buyers (from China, for example) begin to get the sense that tighter regulations (in some form) are around the corner? Would that trigger a lot of buying or selling or what, exactly?
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2016, 12:00 AM
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About the most optimistic I've seen anyone over the job market in Toronto. It's pretty mediocre right now. You could probably even say depressed if it wasn't for real estate.
I should have put a wink, wink emoji after that one..
     
     
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Look at the exponential curve... yeah I think I'll wait.





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Old Posted Apr 8, 2016, 4:58 AM
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How embarrassing, Americans appreciate our architectural heritage more than we do. As more and more Vulgarian mansions spring up, our character homes are being shipped whole to Washington state:

...“One day there’s a beautiful house on a corner, and the next day it’s gone,” frets Oak Bay rookie councillor Eric Zhelka, who worries his community is losing its old country charm, its heart and soul.

Many of them are shipped south to Washington state, where people appreciate their hand-nailed craftsmanship and character. Oak Bay’s early 20th-century dwellings are being floated on barges to San Juan Island, where they’re offered to folks stuck in affordable housing jams....


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Old Posted Apr 8, 2016, 2:25 PM
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“A lot of the older homes in the Victoria area are custom-built and very well-looked after,” says Connelly. Fortunately, he adds, “some have a lot of solid Douglas fir in them. That stuff can take a punch.” Newer homes, not so much. “They’re cheap as s–t.”
Completely agree with him. I've always favored older constructions too.

This phenomenon is good, it's much greener than just tearing them down.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2016, 3:57 PM
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I've come to the conclusion that I don't need a home to last 200 years. Newer homes are so much easier to alter. It's totally wasteful but, my mom's generations of buying furniture/appliances/etc. once and taking it to their grave just doesn't appeal to me. I tend to lean towards quality so the hope is most of this stuff will last just as long as mom's chesterfield before it ends up the dump. It just won't in my houses. (move around too)
     
     
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How could we ever worry about the housing bubble bursting with such noble real estate tactics?

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It is Wednesday night in Burnaby. Real-estate agents and sales teams are gathered in a well-lit office training room. The group, some of them young and hungry to make their mark in the bracing property trade on the Lower Mainland, is there to learn a thing or two from the boss.

The boss is Ze Yu Wu, owner of one of the fastest-growing new brokerages in the Vancouver area, New Coast Realty, which boasts 445 agents and hundreds of millions in sales. It is an informal training session to give some of his new and top performers an edge. He suggests his sales teams listen up, take notes: These tips will help them, and the firm, make more money.

In this October session, one main theme is straightforward: How to move properties briskly by talking clients into selling their houses for less than they want.

“We should sell the house fast and buy the house fast,” Mr. Wu tells them at one point during the evening, underscoring the lucrative nature of speed in a commission-driven business. They joke and chat with him on how to do that.

Mr. Wu offers this advice: “You must consider your own interests.”

Some of his suggestions in the course of the night, however, tread the razor-edge between shrewd salesmanship and deception. One tip he drops casually is how to persuade clients – by lying to them – that the best offer they will get is the first one.

“It is only a saying to the homeowner, but actually, it’s not true,” Mr. Wu says. “The first offer will never be the best offer, I am sure about this. But you have to say the first offer is the best offer.”

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Real Estate Board figures show New Coast bought and sold more than a billion dollars in property last year – and that does not include private and pre-sale deals outside the Multiple Listings Service.

A 2014 article in New Coast’s bilingual publication talks about selling to Chinese citizens who want a “safe house for their wealth.”

“The already lively real estate market in Vancouver is further taking giant leaps forward as a result of the Chinese anti-corruption policies,” the article says.

“Experts predict that with the increasing strictness of the anti-corruption policies in China it will continue to cause cash flow into the Vancouver housing market. Tapping into the patterns of these trends will help both buyers and sellers make the right and easy choice.”

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Back at Mr. Wu’s fall training session, he offers agents suggestions on how to persuade homeowners their house is worth less than they think it is.

For a home in Richmond, for instance, he suggests agents warn sellers that wealthy buyers are afraid of earthquakes and tsunamis. “This reason is very powerful,” he says.

(On its website, the City of Richmond advises that the risk of tsunamis is not significant, despite myths to the contrary.)

Mr. Wu also offers a tip for selling in Vancouver’s west side: “Say that the houses in this area are too expensive, so you can suppress the seller’s bottom price. ...

“If it’s a house by the road, say don’t buy a house by the road next time; if there is a ditch in front of the house, say don’t buy a house behind a ditch or electricity pole next time; if the house is quite narrow, say don’t buy a narrow house next time, it doesn’t look grand.”

He also suggests clients be led to believe that Chinese buyers’ sources of money are drying up, for various reasons – all of them plausible and intended to instill a sense of urgency to the transaction.

The Chinese stock market is down: “How do people have the money to buy the house?”

China is tightening its controls on outflows of cash: “People want to buy the house, but they can’t transfer the money to Canada.”


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/inve...ome-sellers-crying-foul/article29578417/
     
     
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Some of these arguments could actually be true.

Honestly, if I happened to own a dumpy shack and got offered several millions for it, it wouldn't be too hard to convince me to sell while the bubble's still lasting, i.e. right now.

I've said for years that the Van market's total reliance on this pipeline of Chinese cash worries me because a large chunk of the current values is only sustained by the continuing existence and volume flow of that pipeline.

It's a fact that this pipeline could slow down significantly at any point in the future for any number of good reasons (Chinese govt tighening its controls, Canadian govt tightening its rules, etc.) so it's a very good argument to use, whether or not it's actually true right now, because it easily could be true, and one day it will be true.

Of course, I don't condone using sleazy tactics like that, and obviously the sellers should be knowing their market too. If they choose to rely on a realtor's word, it's their problem.
     
     
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For a home in Richmond, for instance, he suggests agents warn sellers that wealthy buyers are afraid of earthquakes
Actually, the next Cascadia Great One happening just after they've bought would bring them savings on the obligatory post-purchase demolition process, all they'd have to do is clear the rubble
     
     
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The best marketers/salespeople are also good liars, it's the nature of the job, manipulating facts to get an edge. I sold one property of marginal value with about a 30% premium in my estimation by using among other things, drone footage showing how a particular area was shaped like a mythical Chinese animal (I kid you not!). 30% may not sound like much but it is a good return when dealing with Chinese buyers who buy sight unseen. They research the heck out of properties so less profitable than other communities but they are more willing to buy remotely which works better for me since I hate showings and unnecessary travel.
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The problems relate not to being a good salesperson, but intentionally getting lower prices for homes for the purposes of later flipping it, in particular on double-ended deals. Being a good salesperson has to stop short of breaching the fiduciary duty owed to a client.
     
     
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Honestly, if I happened to own a dumpy shack and got offered several millions for it, it wouldn't be too hard to convince me to sell while the bubble's still lasting, i.e. right now.
There are also locals who take on a lot of debt because they are convinced that, even if they can't really afford their mortgage payments long-term, they will be able to sell their property in the future for a big profit. So far they've been correct, but this group is going to be hurt a lot if property values fall even a little for a sustained period of time. When you heavily leverage your savings it's easy for that money to be wiped out by even a comparatively modest drop in the value of what you purchased. They're vulnerable to rising interest rates too.
     
     
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Some of these arguments could actually be true.

Honestly, if I happened to own a dumpy shack and got offered several millions for it, it wouldn't be too hard to convince me to sell while the bubble's still lasting, i.e. right now.

I've said for years that the Van market's total reliance on this pipeline of Chinese cash worries me because a large chunk of the current values is only sustained by the continuing existence and volume flow of that pipeline.

It's a fact that this pipeline could slow down significantly at any point in the future for any number of good reasons (Chinese govt tighening its controls, Canadian govt tightening its rules, etc.) so it's a very good argument to use, whether or not it's actually true right now, because it easily could be true, and one day it will be true.

Of course, I don't condone using sleazy tactics like that, and obviously the sellers should be knowing their market too. If they choose to rely on a realtor's word, it's their problem.
The problem is the disease has also spread to Toronto and after that will likely distort other markets. That makes the risk of a bubble collpase much more widespread.

Personally it makes me laugh that they're choices are idiotic. Smart money would be looking at Calgary right now, where you could be able to reap the benefits of buying low and waiting for the rebound.
     
     
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How could we ever worry about the housing bubble bursting with such noble real estate tactics?





http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/inve...ome-sellers-crying-foul/article29578417/


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The problem is the disease has also spread to Toronto and after that will likely distort other markets. That makes the risk of a bubble collpase much more widespread.

Personally it makes me laugh that they're choices are idiotic. Smart money would be looking at Calgary right now, where you could be able to reap the benefits of buying low and waiting for the rebound.
I'd say you're about a year too fast off the mark, assuming oil prices stay low.
     
     
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I'd say you're about a year too fast off the mark, assuming oil prices stay low.
Definitely. Anyone who buys now in Calgary will be kicking themselves in the a year or two. Calgary hasn't seen the bottom yet - not even close.
     
     
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How could we ever worry about the housing bubble bursting with such noble real estate tactics?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/inve...ome-sellers-crying-foul/article29578417/
Yeah, I read that article earlier this morning and, quite frankly, was blown away. BTW, the BC Real Estate Council, governing body, yesterday issued various license conditions for this flaky firm:

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The Real Estate Council of British Columbia

Published 2016/04/08

Council Issues Licence Conditions For New Coast Realty

Vancouver, British Columbia – Issues raised in an article by Kathy Tomlinson which appears in the April 9, 2016 edition of the Globe and Mail have been a matter of serious concern to the Real Estate Council of BC for a number of weeks.

As soon as the Council was informed by the Globe and Mail of the existence of a tape recording containing statements of potentially serious violations of the Real Estate Services Act, the Council requested that the Globe and Mail identify the brokerage and provide us with the evidence in their possession so that we could commence an investigation in the public interest. The Globe and Mail refused.

Nevertheless, the Council commenced an investigation using all the measures available to it to collect the evidence needed to ensure that the public interest was protected.
http://www.recbc.ca/2016/04/council-establishes-licence-conditions-for-new-coast-realty/

BTW, over the past few weeks, in my neck of the woods here in WR, I noticed that the old Sawbucks private liquor store premises (just across the WR/SS boundary at 152nd and 17th) had a a "Coming Soon" sign for "New Coast Realty". Right off the bat it seemed kinda flaky ... along with their company "colours". Long established chain real estate offices have always been the norm - unlike "no name" newbies such as these guys.
     
     
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