CHICAGO | Highrise Projects & Construction, v7 - Page 179

hotwheels · #**3561** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 2:49 PM**

Crane Removed from Topped-Off Moment Apartments

J_M_Tungsten · #**3562** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 3:11 PM**

I'm astonished someone would actually propose something like that still. What complete garbage design.

SamInTheLoop · #**3563** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by ithakas

You were spot on with the Blackstone – they referenced it in their presentation. I'd guess we're getting a Blackstone derivative with the build quality of The Columbian.

And they referenced the courtyard from the Elysian for that empty lot area: https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160408...south-loop-high-rise-with-star-architect

Holy —.

Was there any criticism of this from the audience?

The developer is American Landmark Properties, so it is someone who I think has no experience actually building anything new, big and urban, as far as I know. They are part of the investment group that just sold Willis Tower to Blackstone. So we can always hope lack of experience dooms this one.

I thought the "we stand out by blending in" comment was a joke - no, that's actually what someone on the team stated at the meeting.

It seems that Lagrange is trolling the North Shore looking to somehow end his 'design' career with some measure of dignity by trying to dig up some potential amateur developer clients with the perfect combination of too much money and too little taste....

Finally - is there some sort of support group out there for people that are traumatized by this proposal, this unexpected and disturbing return of Lagrange to downtown Chicago this cycle? There's gotta be something like that....

I wasn't able to attend the meeting, but even if I was free, I don't think I could have stomached actually showing up.......this is one gruesome proposal....

spyguy · #**3564** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by ithakas

You were spot on with the Blackstone – they referenced it in their presentation. I'd guess we're getting a Blackstone derivative with the build quality of The Columbian.

And they referenced the courtyard from the Elysian for that empty lot area: https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160408...south-loop-high-rise-with-star-architect

Funny. Blackstone and Merle Reskin are six blocks away, so I don't get their whole "blending in" comment. The immediate surroundings are modern glass towers, a few older midrises, and bland brick lowrises.

The scary part is we/they are using Elysian, Park Tower, 2250 Lincoln Park, 65 E Geothe, Touraine in NYC (someone mentioned Toll Brothers), etc. as a reference. That's about as good as LL can do with a high-end luxury product. 1408 is an apartment tower (something he's never designed before to my knowledge) full of studios/1 bd in the South Loop. Frightening.

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In other news, it looks like the lot at 1122 S Wabash is for sale. Likely to be developed into a highrise I'm assuming.

rlw777 · #**3565** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:28 PM**

On the upside the 1408 s Wabash proposal is actually better than I expected from Lagrange. Let's be realistic for a second. We are talking about a pretty terrible location. It's a relatively small lot with two separate sets of L tracks directly adjacent to it. Views are mostly blocked to the east and west and there's not much there in terms of street life. The lot was never destined for greatness. I'm just happy to see some added density.

harryc · #**3566** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 6:03 PM**

4/5

nathanjamahl · #**3567** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 6:25 PM**

Alderwoman Dowell has uploaded the PowerPoint slides that were used at last night’s presentation. Link is here: http://bit.ly/1RJf1SJ.

Via Chicago · #**3568** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 6:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by J_M_Tungsten

I'm astonished someone would actually propose something like that still. What complete garbage design.

i dont get it. why does this keep happening.

its all the more frustrating knowing that LL is capable of good modern design, and yet his interests seem to primarily lie with rehashing the most derivative, poorly executed shlock. and that theres a seemingly unending litany of devotees ready to throw money at him for precisely that.

harryc · #**3569** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 6:51 PM**

4/5

Next and Niche in the background.

Ned.B · #**3570** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Via Chicago

i dont get it. why does this keep happening.

its all the more frustrating knowing that LL is capable of good modern design, and yet his interests seem to primarily lie with rehashing the most derivative, poorly executed shlock. and that theres a seemingly unending litany of devotees ready to throw money at him for precisely that.

Like rlw, I think this looks pretty restrained and well proportioned for what it is, Especially by Lagrange. It doesn't have any weird balconies, the facades are all ordered and balanced, and the mansard roof looks proportional to the building. There's a pretty good chance of the materials and details sucking, but sometimes Lagrange does okay there too (like the base of 2550 Lincoln Park).

As for why this keeps happening, it's because a decent segment of the population loves this stuff and absolutely hates anything made of glass, steel, and bare concrete. On the small scale look at all of the new houses going up in Lincoln Park right now. They are almost all PoMo reductions of French and English manor houses. That look says money and class to many people, and these clients probably aren't ever going away.

Tom Servo · #**3571** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by J_M_Tungsten

I'm astonished someone would actually propose something like that still. What complete garbage design.

Yet you guys are all in love with that "One Bennett Park" garbage?

I don't get you guys.

I swear, if something is tall, everyone here celebrates it, regardless of its design.

marothisu · #**3572** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 10:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Yet you guys are all in love with that "One Bennett Park" garbage?

There are people who don't like One Bennett Park - I think it is very mediocre at best (though the top might turn out to be OK, but I doubt it). Pretty sure I'm not the only one on here who doesn't think it's that good. Also, the Stern building is still better than this —. If you can't admit that, then you are blind. Both are not that great, but this is by far worse.

HomrQT · #**3573** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Yet you guys are all in love with that "One Bennett Park" garbage?

I don't get you guys.

I swear, if something is tall, everyone here celebrates it, regardless of its design.

One Bennett Park looks significantly better than this proposal in my opinion. One Bennett Park is a breath of fresh air from all the glass boxes being built. We would all like to see it be a little better, but it is certainly not the horrible thing you constantly advocate it as.

spyguy · #**3574** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 11:31 PM**

1411 S Michigan - clearer

Photoshop fail?

Don't understand why they included this night rendering. Not like there's dramatic lighting or anything

ithakas · #**3575** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 11:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by spyguy

1411 S Michigan - clearer

Do they plan to have a European pharmacy as the retail tenant?

I don't like the grayscale wall on the south end, but I suppose that will be mostly covered in time. I don't mind this at all – like a dumbed down Contemporaine.

BVictor1 · #**3576** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 11:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Yet you guys are all in love with that "One Bennett Park" garbage?

I don't get you guys.

I swear, if something is tall, everyone here celebrates it, regardless of its design.

I'm not 100% on par with 1BP, but you can't possibly compare that to this.

Rizzo · #**3577** Posted **Apr 9, 2016, 12:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by ithakas

Do they plan to have a European pharmacy as the retail tenant?

I don't like the grayscale wall on the south end, but I suppose that will be mostly covered in time. I don't mind this at all – like a dumbed down Contemporaine.

A building with no expressed parking podium? In Chicago? It can't be! I don't care for the grayscale wall either but it's certainly better than a blank concrete wall.

J_M_Tungsten · #**3578** Posted **Apr 9, 2016, 1:15 AM**

Today
No.9

Hojo, Beige, and Gino's crane

Gino's/Debevics

Tom Servo · #**3579** Posted **Apr 9, 2016, 1:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by BVictor1

I'm not 100% on par with 1BP, but you can't possibly compare that to this.

Sure I can. — is —. And if you ask me, short — is far less offensive than 800 foot tall —.

ChiTownWonder · #**3580** Posted **Apr 9, 2016, 2:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Sure I can. — is —. And if you ask me, short — is far less offensive than 800 foot tall —.

Yeah but 1BP is made to mimic 1920s art deco style, even though it dosnt do that the best, but the color, at least from the render, is not horrible and kind of mimics 333N Michigan. (well tries to, cant say its perfect)

The short Lagrange building, is orange?? and in a faux french style? tell me where in France is there an orange building in their traditional style of architecture, nowhere because the french arent idiots...

I agree — is —.. but for what it is 1BP is not bad, and a lot less offensive than an orange brick, faux classical french style, sad little stub of a tower... comon now

IMO id rather see post modernism fall away. why try to mimic architecture that was already used and overused instead of pioneering new styles and trends, especially in Chicago which needs some new refreshing architecture.