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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 1:10 AM
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Love that backdrop.
Moi aussi, looks like they dropped a piece of heaven in the middle of the city.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 4:58 AM
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Calgary really needs to build stand alone buildings for both rink and stadium , if not it will look like a big box warehouse or shopping mall. The Idea of a combined facility is bad real bad.
     
     
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Okay from that point of veiw yes. I see what that buildings purpose does for Edmonton And guys, don't get me wrong i do appreciate these older buildings myself I actually praise true north for saving the old burton Cummings theatre. But trust me Edmonton has no shortage of these warehouses they are everywhere. And this building in particular is what bugs me because Edmonton is full of old brick buildings and finally downtown gets a shot at a whole new section of flash and wow that has never existed and i feel like that building sort of takes away from it. Now yes youre right this place will be hopping on game days and will serve the downtown great for that reason.

I appoligize for not sharing in your veiw. I don't enjoy the ghost signage at all it reminds me of china town. Maybe its because I'm a little younger? I don't know but i do love old buildings...just not the location of this one
So you have a lot of authentic warehouses. Flaunt them. They will impress more than some anonymous "Ice District".

I'll say it. The arena just looks awful; a cheap knockoff of some stararchitect's vision. It certainly won't age gracefully.
     
     
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^Really?
I love the Edmonton arena, I don't find it looks cheap at all.
Differing opinions I guess.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 5:49 AM
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So you have a lot of authentic warehouses. Flaunt them. They will impress more than some anonymous "Ice District".

I'll say it. The arena just looks awful; a cheap knockoff of some stararchitect's vision. It certainly won't age gracefully.
I think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say this! At least on this forum anyway. We'd kill for something like that down here in Calgary (except we don't want to pay for a penny of it).
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 2:01 PM
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So you have a lot of authentic warehouses. Flaunt them. They will impress more than some anonymous "Ice District".

I'll say it. The arena just looks awful; a cheap knockoff of some stararchitect's vision. It certainly won't age gracefully.
Too soon to tell IMO.

Arenas have generally succumbed to the notion that they should be standalone pieces of sculpture rather than anything integrated into the urban fabric... Edmonton is no different.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 2:34 PM
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I love Rogers Place I'm not sure it will age badly as nothing has really been built like it. Edmonton has this really good way of taking care of big investments, I bet rogers place will be just as shiny 40 years from now.

I do agree though I'm a Huge fan of the ageless brick and glass look that Bell centre, MTS centre have. Rogers is very futuristic maybe not the greatest choice,but it could be worse. Rogers arena looks like a big grey Tylenol although now it's barley visible with the 3 towers attached to it anyway. I think Edmonton's new digs will be fine remember they are basically creating it's surroundings which will be mostly glass so it will fit in just fine. I hear phase 2 planning is moving along faster than expected

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Okay from that point of veiw yes. I see what that buildings purpose does for Edmonton And guys, don't get me wrong i do appreciate these older buildings myself I actually praise true north for saving the old burton Cummings theatre. But trust me Edmonton has no shortage of these warehouses they are everywhere. And this building in particular is what bugs me because Edmonton is full of old brick buildings and finally downtown gets a shot at a whole new section of flash and wow that has never existed and i feel like that building sort of takes away from it. Now yes youre right this place will be hopping on game days and will serve the downtown great for that reason.

I appoligize for not sharing in your veiw. I don't enjoy the ghost signage at all it reminds me of china town. Maybe its because I'm a little younger? I don't know but i do love old buildings...just not the location of this one
No need to appologize, you don't have to agree. You questioned why people saw more value in the building than you did, just trying to explain.

To me there will be plenty of new and shiny immediately accross the alley. If anything the contrast will probably make both 4th Street and Ice District more interesting instead of either taking away from each other. Building something new in and of itself isn't incredibly interesting, but building it within a downtown with context and history does really add something.

Although they will be touching, 4th street and Ice District will provide different types of "Downtown" experiences and this is a good thing. While the "flash" and "wow" around the Arena will serve a purpose, towering glass and metal only goes so far. I see it as a benefit that if somebody wants something a bit different from what they will get right outside the doors of the Arena, they only need to walk a block over to find a street with a completely different basis and feel.
     
     
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I think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say this! At least on this forum anyway. We'd kill for something like that down here in Calgary (except we don't want to pay for a penny of it).
No doubt as this forum is adores free forms and structural expressionism.

Note: I'm referring to the exterior. The shape is not very appealing. The cladding looks inexpensive and the swirling pattern already looks dated. The practice arena is uncomplimentary.
     
     
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One of the silver linings of Winnipeg's decline relative to other major Canadian cities is the fact that large swaths of older warehouse-style buildings remain standing. I wouldn't give them up, and Edmonton is right to preserve theirs. New buildings just can't match the texture that you get with older buildings. They tend to attract different uses too.
     
     
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No need to appologize, you don't have to agree. You questioned why people saw more value in the building than you did, just trying to explain.

To me there will be plenty of new and shiny immediately accross the alley. If anything the contrast will probably make both 4th Street and Ice District more interesting instead of either taking away from each other. Building something new in and of itself isn't incredibly interesting, but building it within a downtown with context and history does really add something.

Although they will be touching, 4th street and Ice District will provide different types of "Downtown" experiences and this is a good thing. While the "flash" and "wow" around the Arena will serve a purpose, towering glass and metal only goes so far. I see it as a benefit that if somebody wants something a bit different from what they will get right outside the doors of the Arena, they only need to walk a block over to find a street with a completely different basis and feel.
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No need to appologize, you don't have to agree. You questioned why people saw more value in the building than you did, just trying to explain.

To me there will be plenty of new and shiny immediately accross the alley. If anything the contrast will probably make both 4th Street and Ice District more interesting instead of either taking away from each other. Building something new in and of itself isn't incredibly interesting, but building it within a downtown with context and history does really add something.

Although they will be touching, 4th street and Ice District will provide different types of "Downtown" experiences and this is a good thing. While the "flash" and "wow" around the Arena will serve a purpose, towering glass and metal only goes so far. I see it as a benefit that if somebody wants something a bit different from what they will get right outside the doors of the Arena, they onlyj need to walk a block over to find a street with a completely different basis and feel.
4th Street? Are they also building a destination area out by refinery row?
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104 Street is referred to as 'Fourth Street'.
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4th Street? Are they also building a destination area out by refinery row?
Didn't you know? The next urban paradise

Nah, the "100" just sometimes gets dropped when referring to downtown streets. "1st Street" is sometimes used instead of 101 Street etc. 104 Street in its marketing is "4th Street Promenade".
     
     
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Interesting that we drop the Hundred when talking streets at least up to 109st. but we keep the Hundred when talking about the avenues.

I have been walking to and from a couple of projects in and around Edmonton's Downtown area the last year. Walking through the Warehouse district and 4st is quite pleasant. And when coming up 4st toward the arena the contrast between the Mercer and the Arena is very startling but in a good way.There is a nice contrast between the 2. Add to that the Sign Museum on the Telus Switch centre helps.

As I am about to start spending a majority of my time for the next 3 years in the Ice District, seeing the transformation and Downtown Edmonton in General is quite an uplifting experience.
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BMO Field expected to be ready for TFC, Argos
Stadium will be ready on May 7
Neil Davidson, The Canadian Press Apr 05, 2016

Toronto FC has long talked of turning BMO Field into a fortress. That has yet to happen but a $150-million renovation is turning the once bare-bones lakefront venue into a proper stadium — as well as a home to the CFL Argonauts.

While TFC plays its first eight games on the road, giant cranes have been installing a canopy roof over the east, west and south stands at the 10-year-old stadium. A new sound and lighting system is also being installed. Plus the venue is being configured to accommodate CFL football.

Toronto FC, which for the second year in a row has had to open the MLS season with an extended road trip due to the renovations, will finally get to play in its new home May 7 when it hosts FC Dallas.

"We can't wait," said captain Michael Bradley.

Stage 1, which took place after the 2014 season, saw a 8,400-seat second tier as well additional washrooms and concessions added to the east stand. A new video board was installed while the east and west stands were linked by a concourse above the south stand.

Neil Barrows, a senior project manager with PCL, has supervised both stages of the renovation. BMO Field has become a second home for him.

"This stadium definitely is my baby," he said. "I get a lot of phone calls from co-workers and friends driving by on the Gardiner [Expressway] and the Lake Shore [Boulevard], asking me if we're going to be ready for May 7. And for sure, we will be."

Work put into 'very basic' stadium

BMO Field, whose construction was linked to the 2007 FIFA U-17 World Cup and an MLS expansion team, was built on a shoestring stadium budget of $62.9 million.

"This is going to be a very basic, basic stadium," Bob Hunter, then executive vice-president of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, said during construction in 2006.

Hunter, now MLSE's chief project development officer, was right. Still a fervent fan base fell in love with its soccer team and BMO Field, owned by the city and operated by MLSE, rocked during games. As the MLSE-owned team struggled on the field, however, BMO Field was no longer the happening place to be.

MLSE has spent millions on and off the field since to remedy that. Marquee players like Bradley and Italian star Sebastian Giovinco led the team to the post-season, albeit briefly, for the first time last year.

The first round of renovations — with its expanded seating and premium fan options — will help MLSE pay the bills. The second should make the stadium a more enjoyable sporting experience, with cover and an improved sound adding to the atmosphere.

Each stage cost some $75 million.

Stage 2 involved fewer workers — the maximum on site was 150 compared to 400 for the first stage — but was more challenging from an engineering standpoint.
"Riskier, more intense, a lot more weather-dependent," said Barrows.

The weather co-operated for the most part, although high winds occasionally replaced frigid cold as the workers' enemy.

One of the most challenging aspects of Stage 2 was just getting materials and equipment to the site. A giant crane, originally from the Netherlands, came in on 100 tractor-trailers. Hundreds more brought in the steel needed.

Natural grass field to be laid soon

Configuring the stadium for CFL is costing $20 million with the Argos, whose owners also have a sizable stake in MLSE, picking up half of that as well as the full cost of the 10,000 square-foot dressing room being built under the east stand.

The CFL visitors' locker-room, which measures 6,000 square feet, encompasses the existing MLS visitors' locker-room. The space can be expanded for football or made smaller as needed.

A new natural grass field is scheduled to be laid this week, weather permitting.

The CFL endzones will be artificial turf but will be covered up during soccer games by some six rows of temporary seats at each end. Hunter says the stadium should look the same for soccer as it always does.

As for the football lines on the field, Hunter is confident they have the technology and time to remove them before the next soccer game kicks off.

The space is especially big over the south stand where room has been left to fit in temporary seating for Grey Cup, the Winter Classic or other special events.

The capacity for a Toronto FC game remains the same at 30,000. It will just under 27,000 for the Argonauts, whose regular-season home opener is June 23.

The new-look BMO Field should be able to accommodate 35,000 to 38,000 for the Grey Cup and Winter Classic.

As for future renos, Hunter says there is work to be done to make the walkways and concession areas more efficient. But that likely won't happen for a few years.
     
     
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^ Good article. A nice change from the Kurt Larson Sun articles which you can easily spot by the repeated insistences that the soccer team is the "primary tenant"...
     
     
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Good bye Northlands Coliseum. Many great memories.

Heres to more great memories at Rogers downtown.
     
     
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