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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 1:04 AM
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Where is that from?

This is Hurdman Station
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 2:20 AM
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Regarding the post-April 24 routings, I think a few changes are necessary to balance local needs and commute times:

* Agreed that most trips should go the fastest way out via Nicholas but some need to serve Lees and Campus. If only there was a way to serve Lees northbound...

* I think a couple more routes should come down King Edward to Lees: 92 at all times, 96 after 10 pm. That way, the VIA station is accessible without a transfer from uOttawa.

* For post-midnight trips, all routes should follow the King Edward/Lees routing. That would add a few trips on the 8, 86, 94 and 106.

* Route 98 should NOT use King Edward/Lees in the peak direction during peak periods, in order to maintain commute times from the Greenboro area. Instead, 97X South Keys trips should be converted to a new route, Route 88, providing that connection without hurting downstream commuters (via a slower trip or transfer). Such would only be during peak periods in the peak direction. It's not a big deal for the 95 since the 91 would be an alternative option.

So what trips go down King Edward/Lees in that scenario?

8 - After midnight
20 to 40 - Never
85 - Always (local)
86 - After midnight
87 - Never (no late evening service to downtown)
88 - Always (peak periods only)
91 - Never
92 - Always
94 - After midnight
95 - Always
96 - After 10 pm
97 - After 10 pm
98 - Always, except peak periods in the peak direction
99 - Never
106 - Always (only late night service)
221 to 232 - Never
403 - On return, on request only
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2016, 5:34 PM
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Chewrocka now approaching the Canal area for the tunnel digging, I would guess by the current rate the digging to Rideau Station might be completed by late-April or early May. Moving at a pretty fast rate.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2016, 7:16 PM
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Chewrocka now approaching the Canal area for the tunnel digging, I would guess by the current rate the digging to Rideau Station might be completed by late-April or early May. Moving at a pretty fast rate.
Where are you getting this info? the Roadheader page doesn't seem to give out the its exact location anymore.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2016, 9:19 PM
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The train is coming: City says LRT tunnel excavation on schedule

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: April 3, 2016 | Last Updated: April 3, 2016 1:07 PM EDT


Unless you’re living on top of it, the work going on beneath the downtown core on Ottawa’s Confederation line LRT tunnel could easily go unnoticed.

Much of what’s happening, as machines mine a 2.5-kilometre tunnel 15 metres underground, remains far from the view of a curious public.

Yet, as Matthew Pearson reports, there’s lots going on down there.

There are three downtown stations planned for the LRT. Excavation at the Lyon station was complete some months ago. Work is nearly done at Parliament station, but progress at Rideau station continues to inch along.

Why is the Rideau station excavation taking longer?

It was to be expected, said Gary Craig, the city’s head of LRT design and construction.

“There’s nothing that’s happened to date that would cause us any concerns at all with respect to the work in Rideau station,” he told Postmedia.



Digging in that area’s soft ground calls for a different tunnel design, different temporary support structures and even the hiring of a special adviser.

“That was the station where the lower productions were expected to happen,” said Humberto Ferrer, the deputy project director for OLRT Constructors, the group that is building the $2.1-billion Confederation line, which opens in 2018.

“Lower productions” is Ferrer’s way of saying it would be slower, and that engineers like him knew as much at the outset.

“It seems that it is taking longer, but we started much, much later at Rideau,” he added.

About six months later, in December 2014, to be specific, and the station cavern itself, once completed, will be larger in length and volume than the other two downtown stations, he explained. Rideau will be about 50,000 cubic metres (compared to 38,000 cubic metres), while the cavern — the entire area that must be dug out in order to build the station — will be 180 metres long (compared to 165 metres).

And yet, Ferrer expects the Rideau cavern to be completed in a total of 18 months, while Lyon and Parliament each took 20 months from start to finish.

What are the different techniques for hard-rock and soft-ground excavation?

Much of the tunnel excavation must go through limestone, but a 110-metre stretch of soft clay and sand near the future Rideau station requires a different technique.

In rock, crews use a 135-tonne roadheader, a 20-metre-long machine with a spiked fist at the front that punches away at the rock, to hollow out the upper sides of the cavern, followed by the middle section, then the bottom. The upper portions, which are called drifts, take longer because workers also have to install an umbrella, a temporary, cone-shaped support structure comprised of steel pipes that hold the tunnel up. It’s about 18 to 20 metres wide from side to side.

In clay and sand, crews use a smaller excavator with an arm that rotates, so the bucket can scoop like a traditional excavator but also twist to dig out the sides of the cavern. They complete one side of the cavern, reinforce it temporarily with a layer of concrete, then move to the other and finish by clearing out the middle and bottom.

Openings in soft-ground excavation are about one-fifth the size of openings in rock because the excavator takes smaller bites and more reinforcements are required in soft ground, while the roadheader just smashes the rock. This helps explain why progress is somewhat slower in soft-ground than it is in bedrock.

Long before putting the LRT project up for tender, the city did its homework, Craig said. It paid for geotechnical work to understand the challenges posed by the formation known as the Rideau Valley and provided that information in advance to interested bidders.

“We wanted to understand what we were potentially facing but, more importantly, we wanted the proponents to understand, so that when they were pricing it out, they had good information, they didn’t have make assumptions about what the conditions might be,” Craig said.

The soil encountered so far is “pretty much what we expected,” Ferrer said, adding OLRT conducted further geotechnical work once it was awarded the contract.

What else is happening underground?

In Lyon station, crews are busy pouring concrete for the walls and floor of the cavern, upon which the tracks will eventually be laid. In the tunnel between Lyon and Parliament stations, work on the final concrete lining of the tunnel arch is ongoing.

In Parliament station, crews are nearly finished digging out the station cavern, while excavation to the east has reached as far as the National War Memorial and will soon hit the Rideau Canal.

At Rideau station, the focus is on digging out the middle, which is called the central pillar.

Work at either ends of the tunnel (from an entrance near LeBreton Flats to Lyon station in the west and from an entrance at the University of Ottawa to the future home of Rideau station in the east) is finished.

What happens when the tunnel goes under the canal?

Surprisingly little, actually.

That’s because the tunnel will be nowhere near the Rideau Canal, a UNESCO world heritage site. There will be 20 metres of rock between the bottom of the canal and the top of the tunnel when a roadheader starts rumbling below the waterway in April.

Ferrer expects it will take seven to 10 days to pass under the width of the canal as workers dig toward Rideau station.

What’s the timeline?

Ferrer and Craig said crews will hopefully finish pouring concrete in the sections of tunnel between stations and on the lower half of stations by the end of this year, so that track installation and work on the mechanical systems can begin over the winter and into next spring.

Station construction at Lyon will begin in July, followed by Rideau in September and Parliament in October.

With files from Jon Willing

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Aforementioned stretch of soft ground on the plan:

     
     
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2016, 1:48 AM
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Where are you getting this info? the Roadheader page doesn't seem to give out the its exact location anymore.
It was on the weekly update on the Confederation site and also on the Citizen's well-detailed piece today.
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Where is that from?

This is Hurdman Station
Interesting. You can see the resemblance to this view (though I think it is rotated 180 degrees).



Image from the Confederation Line website.
     
     
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I know the stairs are partially covered, but in Ottawa, shouldn't they be fully enclosed to reduce the need for salt (which will eat at the infrastructure and trains) and for shoveling (which is costly?).

Hurdman is a major transit point. What will it mean waiting on a platform that is at the second story level and exposed to winds when it is -20 and the snow is blowing?

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Interesting. You can see the resemblance to this view (though I think it is rotated 180 degrees).



Image from the Confederation Line website.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2016, 3:30 PM
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I know the stairs are partially covered, but in Ottawa, shouldn't they be fully enclosed to reduce the need for salt (which will eat at the infrastructure and trains) and for shoveling (which is costly?).

Hurdman is a major transit point. What will it mean waiting on a platform that is at the second story level and exposed to winds when it is -20 and the snow is blowing?
Windswept in winter; sun-drenched in summer; utterly inadequate shelter. The total opposite of what was promised during the consultation phase.

Transit designed by people who don't use transit. Par for the course in Ottawa. Maybe Phase II will be slightly better designed, but I doubt it.
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I know the stairs are partially covered, but in Ottawa, shouldn't they be fully enclosed to reduce the need for salt (which will eat at the infrastructure and trains) and for shoveling (which is costly?).

Hurdman is a major transit point. What will it mean waiting on a platform that is at the second story level and exposed to winds when it is -20 and the snow is blowing?
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I know the stairs are partially covered, but in Ottawa, shouldn't they be fully enclosed to reduce the need for salt (which will eat at the infrastructure and trains) and for shoveling (which is costly?).

Hurdman is a major transit point. What will it mean waiting on a platform that is at the second story level and exposed to winds when it is -20 and the snow is blowing?
A P3 project means that it will not fall on the city to maintain for whatever the project term is.

The main stairs and concourse:



and this from the final approved report on the project:

From: http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/3549506282013090118177.pdf page 30
     
     
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That plan doesn't seem to jive with the rendering, it shows the track partially covered
     
     
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A small amount of covering like that could make things worse, not better.
     
     
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Doesn't seem to be much shelter for waiting bus passengers at all. And that is where passengers will be waiting the longest. Maybe I am not seeing this incorrectly, but it seems that some of the bus waiting locations are a significant walk from the LRT station and you have to walk the long way around the island to get there.
     
     
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Are those boxes near the curbs shelters? The station is supposed to have a retail component so that combined with real time arrival screens might be thought to make up for no shelters if I am misreading as well?
     
     
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The main stairs and concourse:
Whereas the "not-main" stairs, off to the left, which are largely open to the elements, are the ones that are closest to most of the bus stops. Those bus stops are how the vast majority of users of Hurdman station will be arriving or departing for most--if not all--of the life of the contract, so those would effectively be the main stairs. (the Hurdman lands will be developed eventually, but it's going to be a long time)
     
     
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Especially Hurdman. It will be the largest station, the busiest and biggest transfer point. If any station should be well thought-out and offer shelter for transit users, its this one. I know the current "open" shelters at Hurdman are a pain for like 6 months of the year because no one wants to wait in the cold, everyone always tries to squeeze and bundle up in those few shelters that are actually enclosed and have those heaters in them...

Are we taking a step back with going to this new train station? No heated enclosure?
     
     
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While I agree that there should be more of a shelter, you're all forgetting that you wont be waiting up to 30 minutes at Hurdman anymore (depending on your route). You will come and go much quicker with the train.
     
     
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While I agree that there should be more of a shelter, you're all forgetting that you wont be waiting up to 30 minutes at Hurdman anymore (depending on your route). You will come and go much quicker with the train.
On arrival from a bus to the train yes, but what about the other direction. I suppose on the plus side many bus routes should start at Hurdman so a lot of the waiting will be on the bus perhaps?

Speaking of which, have these new routes been determined yet and if so have they been released to the public?
     
     
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