YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 445

connect2source · #**8881** Posted **Mar 30, 2016, 3:32 PM**

All new, very attractive and much improved website for YVR.

http://yvr.ca/en/passengers

stiffdeadman · #**8882** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 4:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I would tip that over 90% of the pax on YVR-SEA are connecting onto Alaska's vast network out of SEA. 1:00 "flying time" on a 738 but only 0:49 on a DH4. Yes that is block to block time... BLI-SEA is 0:40 on all flights whether it's a DH4 or a 738.

I couldn't imagine driving to Bellingham only to then fly to Seattle. I would just keep driving...

i live right on the border. with nexus I am at BLI 18 minutes after leaving home. but yes driving to seatac is only 2 hours which i am doing at the end of the month. flying alaska down to burbank. fare was only $89 each way taxes/fees included.

Johnny Aussie · #**8883** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 5:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

i live right on the border. with nexus I am at BLI 18 minutes after leaving home. but yes driving to seatac is only 2 hours which i am doing at the end of the month. flying alaska down to burbank. fare was only $89 each way taxes/fees included.

If that's in CAD I'd say a good deal. If USD that's closer to $230CAD return. Just checked a whole bunch of dates in April both ways and $252CAD return all up YVR-LAX on AC (didn't bother checking other carriers). Actually just saw some even cheaper... Anyway you get my point.

So to me driving all that way to save $22 I couldn't be bothered especially with all the wasted time and gas. But I guess if you are on the border sure. So a 2 hour vs a 40 min drive I guess. Parking vs being dropped off... All has to be taken into account I guess. Dunno. To each his own.

As I said earlier the whole YVR vs BLI/SEA debate has been going on since the 80s. With the low CAD and the better fares available out of Canada now doesn't seem as attractive especially for those not living near the border.

nname · #**8884** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 6:15 AM**

Right now I would just avoid travel to or thru US. Not really a fan of the way they tax the tickets -- more than 2x as much as the Canadian side (and we complains that Canada tax too much!?) and you pay more tax if you're a Canadian travel to US than if you're a US citizen coming back from Canada. I would never give my business to SEA or BLI because of this. Rather, I would just take all my vacations in Asia or maybe Europe from YVR/YYZ, or travel domestically with the points I earned from travel internationally

Johnny Aussie · #**8885** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 8:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Right now I would just avoid travel to or thru US. Not really a fan of the way they tax the tickets -- more than 2x as much as the Canadian side (and we complains that Canada tax too much!?) and you pay more tax if you're a Canadian travel to US than if you're a US citizen coming back from Canada. I would never give my business to SEA or BLI because of this. Rather, I would just take all my vacations in Asia or maybe Europe from YVR/YYZ, or travel domestically with the points I earned from travel internationally

Don't forget Australia! Although it's getting $$$ down here.... But domestic travel (flights) u can get for a steal! And travel from Aus to SE Asia is so cheap too.... 🐨🌴🇦🇺

nname · #**8886** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 7:00 PM**

Its quite expensive to fly direct to Australia from here.. but now think about it, I might tag it onto one of my Asia trip.

Now back on topic, doesn't seems like we will be getting Tianjin Airlines in June, as they will start their first long haul route London (Gatwick) - Chongqing - Tianjin on 6/25 with their first and only A330.

EDIT: There will be a second one coming later in the year, maybe that's when they start Chongqing - Tianjin - Vancouver (and also Moscow from both Chongqing and Tianjin using spare blocks from either planes)? Most likely not June as originally planned though.

ACT7 · #**8887** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by swan_ch

While consider the Chinese Population in these cities in West Coast, Seattle is not even close. (source: Wikipedia)

San Francisco, CA: 172,181
Los Angeles, CA: 66,782
San Jose, CA: 63,434
San Diego, CA: 35,661
Fremont, CA: 34,678
Oakland, CA: 34,083
Seattle, WA: 27,216

Those aren't the metro populations, just city proper. San Fran/Bay Area is closer to 630K Chinese and greater LA, about 570K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_significant_Chinese-American_populations

nname · #**8888** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 8:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by ACT7

Those aren't the metro populations, just city proper. San Fran/Bay Area is closer to 630K Chinese and greater LA, about 570K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_significant_Chinese-American_populations

Compare that to Metro Toronto 532k and Vancouver 411k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Canadians#Population_statistics

Richmond still beat them all in the percentage

Max. · #**8889** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 8:43 PM**

What about the Chinese population in Vancouver?

Johnny Aussie · #**8890** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Now back on topic, doesn't seems like we will be getting Tianjin Airlines in June, as they will start their first long haul route London (Gatwick) - Chongqing - Tianjin on 6/25 with their first and only A330.

EDIT: There will be a second one coming later in the year, maybe that's when they start Chongqing - Tianjin - Vancouver (and also Moscow from both Chongqing and Tianjin using spare blocks from either planes)? Most likely not June as originally planned though.

The problem now is... Chinese carriers are running out of allowable weekly frequencies to Canada. After Hainan to YYC and Xiamen to YVR, there are now only (approximately as I can't recall the exact figure) two remaining allowable frequencies. The next round of talks I think is either April or July this year (again I cannot recall the details without digging too much right now). So until the bilateral is further expanded the limit is almost exhausted.

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Originally Posted by nname

Compare that to Metro Toronto 532k and Vancouver 411k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Canadians#Population_statistics

Richmond still beat them all in the percentage

It's huge isn't it. And still growing.

nname · #**8891** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 11:35 PM**

Noticed YVR twitter posted a link to its old website

Looking at the old 1996 destination list, how does that compare to now?

Code:

Domestic (outside BC)
YEG	100	CP, KI, WS, ZX
YOW	28	AC, CP
YQR	7	KI
YUL	22	AC, CP
YWG	22	AC, CP
YXE	13	KI
YXY	26	CP, NV
YYC	236	AC, CP, KI, WS, ZX
YYZ	124	AC, CP

Transborder
ATL	7	DL
CVG	7	DL
DEN	7	UA
DFW	14	AA
DTW	7	NW
JFK	13	AA, CX
HNL	11	AC, CP
LAS	9	CP, HP
LAX	64	AC, CP, DL, UA
MIA	7	AA
MSP	21	NW
ORD	28	CP, UA
PDX	59	DL, QX, ZX
PHX	14	HP
RNO	15	CP, QQ
SAN	14	AS
SEA	165	KI, QX, UA, ZX
SFO	49	AC, CP, DL, UA
SJC	7	AA
SLC	14	DL

International
BKK	6	CP (via HKG)
DEL	3	AC (via LHR)
HKG	26	AC, CP, CX
ICN	8	AC, KE, SQ
KIX	7	AC
KUL	2	CP, MH (via TPE)
NGO	5	CP
NRT	21	CP, JL
PEK	5	CA (via PVG), CP
PVG	1	CA
SIN	2	SQ (via ICN)
TPE	11	AE, CP

MEX	2	JL

AMS	4	KL
CDG	3	AC
FRA	15	CP, LH
GLA	3	AC
LHR	25	AC, BA, CP
ZRH	2	AC

Some interesting destinations for sure

Note:
KI = Canadian Regional
ZX = AirBC
NV = NWT
HP = American West
QQ = Reno
QX = Horizon

The rest are self explanatory

trofirhen · #**8892** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 2:22 AM**

Naturally, we're doing better now than in 1996.
Nevertheless there were some routes we had then that have since disappeared or greatly reduced.

Singapore and Nagoya are gone.
Miami on AA is gone (7x a week if I'm reading this right)
and MSP 21x a week on Northwest mainline.

Can't really compain, although, but it would be nice to grab a handful more scheduled destinations.

Klazu · #**8893** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 2:29 AM**

Wow, that 1996 international destination list is impressive! Actually, we are not that much better off these days. I was expecting the growth having been much more. Now it seems mostly just gains in China and Australia, but many lost destinations in the South East Asia.

Johnny Aussie · #**8894** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 3:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Wow, that 1996 international destination list is impressive! Actually, we are not that much better off these days. I was expecting the growth having been much more. Now it seems mostly just gains in China and Australia, but many lost destinations in the South East Asia.

Crazy huh... mainland China (not incl HKG and not TPE) will have 55 direct flights this summer during peak period compared to only 5 in 1996. Mainland Chinese carriers consisted of only one weekly flight on Air China to PVG/PEK. And Australia/NZ leaps to 22 per week thanks to the new BNE flight.

The South East Asia flights can be easily explained away... CP to BKK was just a 5th freedom flight from HKG to BKK. YVR originating passengers 98% were going to HKG. SQ to SIN we all know the story with that one! And MH to KUL was mainly YVR-TPE local code shared with CP. Without the TPE and ICN tags for SQ or MH we would never have seen either of those carriers here.

And DEL via LHR wasn't technically direct either. Required an a/c switch in LHR so not sure why that was listed.

Again, for a small city like Vancouver still a very impressive list of international routes. And YVR will have 21 overseas carriers when Xiamen launches flights in a few months! And then hopefully another Chinese carrier (or two or three) later this year.

Black Box · #**8895** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 8:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by swan_ch

While consider the Chinese Population in these cities in West Coast, Seattle is not even close. (source: Wikipedia)

San Francisco, CA: 172,181
Los Angeles, CA: 66,782
San Jose, CA: 63,434
San Diego, CA: 35,661
Fremont, CA: 34,678
Oakland, CA: 34,083
Seattle, WA: 27,216

Seattle's Chinese population has been low for quite some time. Seattle will not be close, probably ever. Are these city proper or metro? I live here and still wouldn't know where to begin. Currently, the Eastside of the Seattle metropolitan area is experiencing a burst of growth with people from China. The school districts are top notch, nationally, and one of the big questions for many of the Chinese population settling there is "How far is this property from Bill Gates's estate?"
Also, there is a Chinese movie that people in China refer to when Seattle comes up, which also plays a part in Chinese immigration here. It's called Beijing Meets Seattle (Finding Mr. Right). It's a very popular movie in China, and believe it or not, it was actually shot here, and not in Vancouver, which is usually the case for most movies that are "set" in Seattle.

Black Box · #**8896** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 8:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by connect2source

All new, very attractive and much improved website for YVR.

http://yvr.ca/en/passengers

This new YVR site is much better than the last. Kudos!

nname · #**8897** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Black Box

Also, there is a Chinese movie that people in China refer to when Seattle comes up, which also plays a part in Chinese immigration here. It's called Beijing Meets Seattle (Finding Mr. Right). It's a very popular movie in China, and believe it or not, it was actually shot here, and not in Vancouver, which is usually the case for most movies that are "set" in Seattle.

I've seen the movie and I can identify the location of about 60% of the outdoor scenes and they are indeed shot in Vancouver. (About 5% are scenes from Seattle but none of them contains any actor). If anything, there is no way I can mistaken a KCM bus as a TransLink bus in the background. My friends always joked around and called the movie "Beijing Meets Vancouver"

trofirhen · #**8898** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 12:56 AM**

Is there a YVR Destinations Fantasy Thread? Just asking.

Klazu · #**8899** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 1:19 AM**

Isn't that what this thread is 80% of the time?

Johnny Aussie · #**8900** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 3:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Isn't that what this thread is 80% of the time?

I completely agree. We have all discussed potential routes; some reasonable, some rather far-fetched... over and over. I appreciate the passion of some people's wish lists. But really, please put some thought into them. I really aim to be an optimist but come on people!

For the USA, looking at the realities of the numbers - logistics, geographical location and just plain basic economics of air travel, there are really limited growth options.

Looking at that 1996 list:

CVG was dropped because DL dismantled its hub there.
RNO was dropped because AA dismantled its hub there.
MIA was dropped by AA (and AC)... a really long route - hard to make work (even from SEA only one daily flight exists on an AA 738).

So as discussed before, I think we have BOS, MIA/FLL and maybe PHL as potential routes (the ONLY unserved routes with > 30,000 annual pax). And these three have been tried before, but maybe the numbers are good enough to try again. I can see more ATL and IAD in the future. I doubt we will see DTW back to daily again. Most other destinations just don't have the numbers to make a route viable.

As for International, it's still going to be mainly all about Asia (China mainly). We've discussed the Middle East, India, South-East Asia.... India will happen eventually one day! Europe, limited potential new routes from YVR. South America? Been discussed a lot - sure there may be something in the works but not going to be very much really. More South Pacific? Sure MEL is rumoured and has been discussed a lot.