You realize most nearby suburbanites work in the city though right?
Also Modo and car2go exist in the Lonsdale area, but no one in their right mind is going to use car sharing to go to work. It's way more expensive than owning a car.
Yes, suburbanites are the ones filling the skytrains and buses heading downtown every day. But for day to day life, a car is almost a requirement in the burbs.
As for car2go vs. commuting, it can easily be cheaper depending on how far you are going and the cost of parking.
Yes, suburbanites are the ones filling the skytrains and buses heading downtown every day. But for day to day life, a car is almost a requirement in the burbs.
As for car2go vs. commuting, it can easily be cheaper depending on how far you are going and the cost of parking.
Everybody's situation varies, but I do think people tend to underestimate the cost of running a car, including: gas, insurance, parking, maintenance and depreciation.
Typical car ownership is ~$10k/year. That pays for a lot of rental cars, car sharing, taxis, and so on.
Everybody's situation varies, but I do think people tend to underestimate the cost of running a car, including: gas, insurance, parking, maintenance and depreciation.
Typical car ownership is ~$10k/year. That pays for a lot of rental cars, car sharing, taxis, and so on.
Yep. We don't own a car, we're modo members. Between modo and bus passes, our transportation costs (me, my wife, and my 7 year old daughter) run about $7500 a year. Actually that's now a little less because I'm no longer buying two-zone passes (to get to work is almost entirely by bus) and my wife now walks to work, so that saves us about $1500 a year, so we're sitting at about $6000 a year to get around.
Yep. We don't own a car, we're modo members. Between modo and bus passes, our transportation costs (me, my wife, and my 7 year old daughter) run about $7500 a year. Actually that's now a little less because I'm no longer buying two-zone passes (to get to work is almost entirely by bus) and my wife now walks to work, so that saves us about $1500 a year, so we're sitting at about $6000 a year to get around.
That is a lot of money. Between my partner and I, we've got 2 cars and 2 motorcycles and I don't think they add up $7500. Our biggest cost is the insurance.
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My Prius C costs me $6300 a year for little over 14,000km, and that includes $200/month that goes into a savings account to buy its successor sometime down the road.
That is a lot of money. Between my partner and I, we've got 2 cars and 2 motorcycles and I don't think they add up $7500. Our biggest cost is the insurance.
Depreciation costs a lot unless you are driving old junkers.
Depreciation costs a lot unless you are driving old junkers.
Depreciation is about $4000 total. One of the cars is 24 years old and has essentially stopped depreciating though. The motorcycles aren't big capital items in the first place, so the depreciation isn't too scary. Most of my mileage is in an electric car, so gas and maintenance costs are also massively reduced.
The biggest trick is to buy cars at 1-2 years age. It's the best balance between depreciation and useful service life.
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Depreciation is about $4000 total. One of the cars is 24 years old and has essentially stopped depreciating though. The motorcycles aren't big capital items in the first place, so the depreciation isn't too scary. Most of my mileage is in an electric car, so gas and maintenance costs are also massively reduced.
The biggest trick is to buy cars at 1-2 years age. It's the best balance between depreciation and useful service life.
Leaf? i3? Volt? I'm curious what you thought of going all electric. I've been considering it for my next car. The Leaf massively depreciates, so I'm guessing not that.
I "told" my wife we're going all electric for the next car... might be a few years but the Bolt or Tesla Model 3 look realistic. Or maybe a cheap used Leaf to see how we deal with it.
Leaf? i3? Volt? I'm curious what you thought of going all electric. I've been considering it for my next car. The Leaf massively depreciates, so I'm guessing not that.
2012 Volt. I've had it for 2.5 years so far.
If you're looking either get a new Volt or wait for the Bolt and Tesla 3 to come out. Most of the other options aren't great right now.
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I do allot of trips out on to forestry roads, 4x4ing etc. That means my cars have generally been bought used, in the 5-15 year range (100-150k range) and cost 2-10k. I don't think depreciation has ever cracked a $1000 a year and that's with beating the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 out of every car(truck/suv/jeep) I have ever owned. And no their not junkers, their actually nice cars, people get rid of nice cars for no reason except to get the latest model. I drive about 10-20k km's a year max, I can work from home so I don't commute too often. That means I spend $1000 to $2000 a year on gas, $50/500km's per tank. Insurance for older vehicles is low, right now I think I pay $80 a month which is under a grand a year. Lots of simple repairs I do my self because I like to and because I can. So maintenance and fluid changes is maybe $500 a year. I am good at picking good cars and once major problems start happening its usually because its time to scrap the car so I sell it for a couple bucks and buy the next car.
So in summary I would say the cost of a car for me is about $3.5k to $4.5k a year, and that includes trips all over the province and city, and plenty of abuse. I would never catch skytrain or transit unless I am going downtown during peak hours to see a client (and even then I would always drive to the skytrain and often just drive straight downtown and pay because I need the flexibility), and I can tell you I avoid downtown like the plague at all hours so it doesn't happen too often.
Transit would be about $1500 a year and probably $10-20k in lost time at a minimum and I would be unable to actually go anywhere in this province or pursue my hobbies. Probably much more actually. Very hard to compute the real cost of transit, I would go as far as to say the costs would be too high to count.
The City's False Creek Flats planning page now has presentation boards and an online questionnaire to obtain feedback on the east-west connector options (i.e., Malkin or National). The online questionnaire will only be active until Monday, April 18. Here are the links:
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I love how the city makes the windows for on-line feedback so insanely short. I guess it's just enough for them to claim "hey yeah we consulted. kwitcherbitchin".
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