Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2 - Page 269

Acajack · #**5361** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Australia wasn't a sporting power till AFTER the Sydney 2000 Olympics. It even added fire to their soccer program. They are a consistent World Cup qualifier now.

Australia has been a Summer Olympic powerhouse for ages.

elly63 · #**5362** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Why not? There are other hands. I do what I want to those who give me a blank cheque by putting down where I live. Some people appreciate direct unfiltered communications. That's how some of us grow, by challenging others and being challenged in return. If you feel uncomfortable with it, then don't engage.

Fair enough, consider yourself engaged in future, with all barrels

Just remember not everyone you insult as having a stereotypical western view (in your mind) is from the west (or has that view).

elly63 · #**5363** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

It's highly unlikely we'll have another Winter Olympics in Calgary or a Winter Olympics in Quebec City before Toronto gets a Summer Olympics. The COC has already stated that openly.

Where has that been stated?

elly63 · #**5364** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

One of the reasons interest is even at this current level is that Canada's results have markedly and steadily improved under Floro and we're now fielding the best team since our '86 run. We haven't lost our last few games against Mexico when playing in front of a home crowd and frankly the talk about us losing to St. Lucia doesn't change the fact that even world cup teams like US have also lost to tiny island countries, that's soccer.

I agree with your sentiment and Floro but I wouldn't say that this is the best team since 86 (far from it). But they are a sound, well coached and disciplined side and i think that is what you need to qualify in this region. This team doesn't have the talent level of some we have in the past but they make up for it in their defensive (not bunkering) discipline and to me that is even more important.

mistercorporate · #**5365** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Australia has been a Summer Olympic powerhouse for ages.

It's all relative,

Australia's medal count at the 1984 Summer Olympics (before they began their campaign to secure the Sydney Olympics): 24

Canada's medal count at the 1984 Summer Olympics: 44

------------Sydney 2000-------------

Australia at the 2012 Summer Olympics: 35

Canada at the 2012 Summer Olympics: 18

And FrankieFlowerpot,
Care to provide some evidence? FC Porto and the rest of the Portuguese League didn't officially publish their financial figures before 2004 but by their own admission their income increased 10 fold during their Championship run and hasn't looked back since. FC Porto today is not FC Porto from before the 2004 campaign. Jose Mourinho even admitted he had to troll the 3rd division of Brazil for some players as he was operating with a limited budget.

big W · #**5366** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

You're forgetting the FIFA Golden Rule. "There are no rules" only guidelines that can be conveniently set aside.

Yes and no. We would still need the stadiums for several reasons.

1. Hosting games and several groups would mean we have to have the stadiums.

2. We have many stadiums already with good airports etc so it would not have much more in cost.

3. Regionalism. We would have to have games across the country for that reason.

So we would probably go with the 12. 5 in the West. 4 in Ontario and 3 in Quebec and Atlantic Canada.

Regina, Winnipeg, Hamilton and Ottawa are new so they would be fine as is.
Vancouver, Edmonton, Montreal are fine right now but might need some work in 10 years for example.

Calgary would need a new stadium as McMahon be no good by then. Quebec City and Halifax would also need stadiums as they don't have one. All 3 stadiums would be used for CFL and potentially for soccer after the event as I can see Quebec City and Halifax getting teams.

That leaves Toronto which I assume would get a new Stadium say 75K and the expansion of BMO.

In that way we have 7 provinces covered (PEI, NF and NB would not have been represented but their cities are too small to build and use a stadium after the event) and all the regions with the exception of the north (again too small to support any stadiums). That way all the infrastructure would be used and not wasted after the event. No need to have rotting stadiums like many cities or countries do after the event is over (look at recent Olympics hosts).

elly63 · #**5367** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

I stopped paying attention to him when he threw this nugget out " In 2004 FC Porto went from a cheapskate low budget (as in Ottawa Fury low) team to winning the UEFA Champions League. "

Yup, life is good in "The Bubble"

mistercorporate · #**5368** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

Where has that been stated?

"There is no doubt, no doubt that what the country needs most is a Summer Olympic Games," COC chief Marcel Aubut told Reuters ahead of the organization's Sochi media summit this weekend.

"Toronto is going to deliver a great 2015 Pan Am Games and it should be the first step in going higher for the Olympics like Brazil did.

"If not we are going to look again at the Winter Games and Quebec is a very good possibility but the first goal is to convince people to go with Toronto in the Summer."

http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCABRE94911A20130510

So basically, no other bids till we make another Toronto bid.

elly63 · #**5369** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Australia has been a Summer Olympic powerhouse for ages.

I would argue that. The impetus for change came in 1976 Montreal when they had a very poor performance. People forget it now but for years Canada and Australia were rivals in the pool. Our program faded and theirs grew. Of course in 76 we were both screwed by the GDR roid monkeys.

elly63 · #**5370** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

"There is no doubt, no doubt that what the country needs most is a Summer Olympic Games," COC chief Marcel Aubut told Reuters ahead of the organization's Sochi media summit this weekend.

"Toronto is going to deliver a great 2015 Pan Am Games and it should be the first step in going higher for the Olympics like Brazil did.

"If not we are going to look again at the Winter Games and Quebec is a very good possibility but the first goal is to convince people to go with Toronto in the Summer."

So basically, no other bids till we make another Toronto bid.

I don't buy that last sentence because I think we are probably farther from a Toronto Olympic bid than ever (JMO) and I think the idea of a WC has superceded the idea of another Olympics (JMO)

mistercorporate · #**5371** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

I don't buy that last sentence because I think we are probably farther from a Toronto Olympic bid than ever (JMO) and I think the idea of a WC has superceded the idea of another Olympics (JMO)

So Quebec gets 2 Olympics and Ontario gets zero? Yeah, that'll fly. No Canadian government will green light that.

ggopher · #**5372** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

There are no "FIFA requirements" that a modern built facility doesn't have. All of our facilities pass FIFA requirements. These are only for things like set aside areas for doping control, media facilities, security zones. etc.

The only real question would be what the playing surface would be. If we chose to go turf we would have to dig up all the artificial surfaces and install turf and maybe use them for a year or two for the CFL season and then replace with the artificial surfaces.

Or we could cover the artificial turf with natural turf or we could use artificial turf like we did for the WWC. The technologies and attitudes are changing and it will be a different scene in 10 years time.

There is a requirement for at least 8 stadiums, and most World Cups have had between 9 to 12 stadiums. But I think 8 is a reasonable number.

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"FIFA has a number of requirements for stadiums hosting World Cup games. One of these is capacity. FIFA requires that a venue hosting the opening game and the final must have a net capacity of at least 80,000. For the other group matches, last 16, quarter finals and the match for third place the requirement is at least 40,000, and FIFA requests a net capacity of at least 60,000 for venues hosting the semifinals."

Source - Stadium Requirements:
http://transparencyinsport.org/The_docum...-documents/%2815%29Stadium-Agreement.pdf

80, 000 is way to big for anything Canada could use after. I think the existing size of BC Place is perfect for a final. The main audience is through television, so I don't see what the big deal is.

Here is an interesting report on the waste of past world cups. And it doesn't even discuss Qatar or Russia.
http://www.playthegame.org/fileadmin/documents/world_stadium_index_4_fifa_wc.pdf

elly63 · #**5373** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by big W

Yes and no. We would still need the stadiums for several reasons.

We are basically covered now. Calgary has new stadium plans in the works (regardless of the design) and the likely only new build would be Hfx or Quebec likely not both.

I don't see a new Toronto stadium unless it was 40k and expandable to 70+. There is no use for a large new Toronto stadium. Feds aren't going to fund something for a potential NFL team and i can't see Argos and TFC each having their own building, unless they can figure out a way to fill the new stadium with dates.

elly63 · #**5374** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by ggopher

There is a requirement for at least 8 stadiums, and most World Cups have had between 9 to 12 stadiums. But I think 8 is a reasonable number.

FIFA "requirements" are seen as guidelines, for example the final played at Maracana (Brazil 2014) had an attendance of 74,738 (capacity) not 80,000 the "requirement"

elly63 · #**5375** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

So Quebec gets 2 Olympics and Ontario gets zero? Yeah, that'll fly. No Canadian government will green light that.

I don't think anyone would have issues when they are 50 years apart and aside from that obviously Quebec is providing something as a Winter Olympic host that Toronto isn't as a summer host seeing as the Quebec bid is seen to have a far better chance of being accepted by the IOC (JMO) I am basing that opinion on just the chatter you see on forums like these. More talk lately about a Quebec bid than a Toronto bid.

And with a Liberal government, you question that they would choose Quebec over Toronto (actually could be anywhere in Canada), you've been in Canada how long? Time to get out of the bubble my friend.

mistercorporate · #**5376** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

I don't think anyone would have issues when they are 50 years apart and aside from that obviously Quebec is providing something as a Winter Olympic host that Toronto isn't as a summer host seeing as the Quebec bid is seen to have a far better chance of being accepted by the IOC (JMO) I am basing that opinion on just the chatter you see on forums like these. More talk lately about a Quebec bid than a Toronto bid.

And with a Liberal government, you question that they would choose Quebec over Toronto, you've been in Canada how long? Time to get out of the bubble my friend.

LOL, you have no idea. I'm so connected into Canada's political scene it's not even funny (granted, many people are). However, beyond your ridiculous assumptions it's clear you have no clue. You may have lived on this country 60-90 years but a fool is still a fool, doesn't make you an authority on jack (your sarcastic banter is a case in point). Just because Liberals pander to Quebec doesn't change the fact that they won't go to this extreme. Quebec is fat and happy, but god help any party that discriminates Ontario too much. Anyhow, I'm done with your predictable constant trolling, I've got better things to do.

elly63 · #**5377** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 9:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

LOL, you have no idea. I'm so connected into Canada's political scene it's not even funny (granted, many people are). However, beyond your ridiculous assumptions it's clear you have no clue. You may have lived on this country 60-90 years but a fool is still a fool, doesn't make you an authority on jack (your sarcastic banter is a case in point). Anyhow, I'm done with your predictable constant trolling, I've got better things to do.

Ahh, the usual bullshit from the RPB bubble boy, seriously, are you over 20?

Politician, professor, farmer, expert on Western Canadian affairs, is there anything you can't do? Don't run away, I thought you wanted to engage.

ggopher · #**5378** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

I don't think anyone would have issues when they are 50 years apart and aside from that obviously Quebec is providing something as a Winter Olympic host that Toronto isn't as a summer host seeing as the Quebec bid is seen to have a far better chance of being accepted by the IOC (JMO) I am basing that opinion on just the chatter you see on forums like these. More talk lately about a Quebec bid than a Toronto bid.

And with a Liberal government, you question that they would choose Quebec over Toronto (actually could be anywhere in Canada), you've been in Canada how long? Time to get out of the bubble my friend.

Quebec is no longer in the running for the 2026 Winter Olympics. They don't have a ski hill that is high enough, and the mayor doesn't support bidding . But it may be possible for Quebec to partner with Lake Placid for the ski events.

elly63 · #**5379** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 11:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by ggopher

Quebec is no longer in the running for the 2026 Winter Olympics. They don't have a ski hill that is high enough, and the mayor doesn't support bidding . But it may be possible for Quebec to partner with Lake Placid for the ski events.

The height of the downhill is something we've heard for a long time and i think it can be overcome without cohosting, which really doesn't make sense as regards to sharing the limelight. Why tacitly encourage tourists to go to Lake Placid a competitor to Quebec ski hills.

The cohosting only makes sense in that they presently have a high enough ski hill and we don't, something that could likely be overcome through engineering and compromise. Otherwise it makes no sense.

isaidso · #**5380** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 12:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Australia has been a Summer Olympic powerhouse for ages.

That's the perception but it wasn't always like that. Canada was significantly stronger than them in the 1970s and early 80s. Australia was embarrassed by their poor performance and invested heavily to become more competitive. By Seoul (1988) they'd caught up to us, then moved ahead.

Canada went through a similar scenario with no gold at the 1988 Calgary winter Olympics. We got stronger each olympiad and by 2002 had become a winter sports power. The COC, turned its attention to summer Olympics after the 2010 Vancouver Olympics. We're very early on it the re-build but there are lots of promising signs already.

Canada will likely never finish first at the summer Olympics but we can certainly match the heights to which the UK and Australia have reached.