DENVER | Main Development Thread #6

[seventwenty]

Good to see you're still around TakeFive. Just post while watching MM.

[ramanboy33]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

Well it looks like the Supreme Court might be taking on Colorado marijuana legalization. The best defense I could personally think of is that Nebraska and Oklahome do not have standing to challenge it. But if the Court gets past that, I have no idea how we defend a state law that is clearly in conflict with federal law. I think there's a reasonable chance the Supreme Court just makes this whole marijuana nightmare go away.

Anybody have any other ideas how me might defend the legality of this? Here's the article btw:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_295966...ide-colorado-marijuana-legalization-case

Supreme Court turns down case that challenges Colorado marijuana law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...2-ef69-11e5-a61f-e9c95c06edca_story.html

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by ramanboy33

Supreme Court turns down case that challenges Colorado marijuana law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...2-ef69-11e5-a61f-e9c95c06edca_story.html

I really hope Wyoming starts selling military grade weapons. You know, since federal economic/commercial regulation means nothing. I'd like something very large to shoot. And I will bring it into Colorado shamelessly. And I will litigate it all the way to the top, and likely win. Good work, potheads. You keep right on undermining the rule of law. Don't think we won't take advantage for our own favored causes.

[corey]

Welcome back TakeFive! I know Cruz is just as scary as Trump. Trump is a rude racist blowhard, but he has no actual plan for governing the country. Cruz's plan is terrifying. I've actually never voted Republican in my life and have come to despise the GOP in recent years. I'm very grateful we've had Obama as President and think he has done a fantastic job. He could have done even more except the GOP has been so obstructionist that they hurt their own interests instead of compromising in the least with Obama. But especially with blocking the Garland SCOTUS confirmation and having 2 extremists presidential candidates they will pay dearly in November. Hillary Clinton will be President, and the Senate and quite possibly the House will be Democratic.

Potheads aren't the only ones that think they can disobey federal law. All of the states that make it nearly impossible for a woman to have an abortion under any circumstance are violating Sumpreme Court decisions and civil rights. I don't use pot, but the federal government needs to legalize marijuana nationally. I'm sure it'll eventually happen and their will be states that keep it illegal. Bunt, as far Wyoming legalizing military weapons so yahoos can play war I guess they need something up there to relieve the boredom. Wyoming has the highest suicide rate in the country and the vast amount of those deaths are by a gun, as expected with a healthy gun culture.

[CherryCreek]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

I really hope Wyoming starts selling military grade weapons. You know, since federal economic/commercial regulation means nothing. I'd like something very large to shoot. And I will bring it into Colorado shamelessly. And I will litigate it all the way to the top, and likely win. Good work, potheads. You keep right on undermining the rule of law. Don't think we won't take advantage for our own favored causes.

Of course the denial of a request to hear a case sets no legal precedent.

I'd read the Supreme Court action as most likely being driven by lack of standing. I read the US Solicitor General's brief, and it was strong on this point. The Solicitor General did suggest that private litigants might be able to litigate this issue and noted that in fact, an advocacy group filed a suit in Colorado District Court to enjoin the statute (Safe Streets Alliance v. Alternative Holistic Healing, LLC, No. 15-cv-349 (D. Colo. filed Feb. 19, 2015). However, apparently the suit was "settled" and dismissed.

Most interesting in the Solicitor's General brief is the assertion that if the Colorado act were struck down marijuana would be entirely legal under Colorado state law with no state law regulation. Of course the legislature might quickly act to outlaw pot, but who knows.

[WIGGLEWORTH]

I haven't been around these threads for a while but just visited the city and noticed a few things.
This article hits some points that I worry about.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/denver-s-building-boom-good-design-losing-out

[CherryCreek]

Originally Posted by WIGGLEWORTH

I haven't been around these threads for a while but just visited the city and noticed a few things.
This article hits some points that I worry about.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/denver-s-building-boom-good-design-losing-out

Yea the quality of Denver design and construction is probably the no. 1 issue debated on here and in the local media. But like the weather, nobody seems to do anything about it.

[bunt_q]

I am curious what a President Cruz would do with respect to marijuana. I mean, if Trump thinks he can deport 12 million people, I don't see why Cruz couldn't also lock up 2 million Colorado potheads, confiscate all of the dealers' assets, and deny users federal student loans in perpetuity. Plus, think of all the good industrial warehouse space that would come available nearly overnight.

[DenvertoLA]

https://youtu.be/Ar7Hge1GZaw

great video of Denver

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

I am curious what a President Cruz would do with respect to marijuana. I mean, if Trump thinks he can deport 12 million people, I don't see why Cruz couldn't also lock up 2 million Colorado potheads, confiscate all of the dealers' assets, and deny users federal student loans in perpetuity. Plus, think of all the good industrial warehouse space that would come available nearly overnight.

We could then use that space to house immigrants for deportation. Or possibly as refuge centers for those US residents driven from the coasts as Ted Cruz's global warming policies accelerate coastal declines. Or if one of the other nuclear powers gets tired of listening to President Rafeal Cruz's condescending tone and teaches the country that could elect such a twat a lesson. Though I'd fully expect Cruz to go full deepthroat on his knees in capitulation- the asshole will do anything to curry favor.

Trump! Trump! Trump!

EDIT: Though Cruz will have to lock up 2 million Colorado potheads, 3 million in WA, 15 million in CA and probably another five or so states that will legalize this year. Deporting 12 million suddenly seems reasonable with those kind of numbers.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by WIGGLEWORTH

I haven't been around these threads for a while but just visited the city and noticed a few things.
This article hits some points that I worry about.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/denver-s-building-boom-good-design-losing-out

Dana Crawford, while the lioness of preservation and redevelopment downtown, hasn't done a project in over a decade. Her concern for architectural quality would carry more weight if she had actually participated in the last cycle- and dealt with the current economic constraints rather than doing a bit of consulting work on Union Station.

[CastleScott]

I haven't been around these threads for a while but just visited the city and noticed a few things.
This article hits some points that I worry about.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/denve...ign-losing-out

Well the Dallas donuts have gotten quite popular here as well as in Minneapolis, Houston, Kansas City, Omaha, Sacramento, San Fran, Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake City, St Louis, Atlanta, Nashville, Washington D.C. parts of Chicago and etc, etc, etc...

Perhaps so much $$$ is at stake that it doesn't matter how much stink is raised about the designs of these projects.

Oh btw it sure seems as if the fire code has been tweeked as what if a big blaze breaks out and the sprinklers are unable to confine it? Maybe they use extra thick sheet rock in the construction of these units as well as other fire reducing materials...

[mhays]

We don't have "Dallas Doughnuts" in Seattle. Maybe they exist in certain suburban areas with high water tables but I haven't noticed those either.

But yes economics are the primary driver of things, along with zoning.

[Dogpatch]

None in SF either, CastleScott.

[Scottk]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

I really hope Wyoming starts selling military grade weapons. You know, since federal economic/commercial regulation means nothing. I'd like something very large to shoot. And I will bring it into Colorado shamelessly. And I will litigate it all the way to the top, and likely win. Good work, potheads. You keep right on undermining the rule of law. Don't think we won't take advantage for our own favored causes.

Nice apples to oranges comparison here equating marijuana to military grade weapons.


I for one think that we should sue neighboring states over their lax firework laws.


From the lawsuit against Colorado: "Marijuana flows from this gap into neighboring states, undermining Plaintiff States' own marijuana bans, draining their treasuries, and placing stress on their criminal justice systems"


Why not....


"Fireworks flow from this gap into neighboring states, undermining the Plaintiff States' own Firework bans, draining their treasuries, and placing stress on their criminal justice systems, and firefighting programs"

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by Scottk

Nice apples to oranges comparison here equating marijuana to military grade weapons.


I for one think that we should sue neighboring states over their lax firework laws.


From the lawsuit against Colorado: "Marijuana flows from this gap into neighboring states, undermining Plaintiff States' own marijuana bans, draining their treasuries, and placing stress on their criminal justice systems"


Why not....


"Fireworks flow from this gap into neighboring states, undermining the Plaintiff States' own Firework bans, draining their treasuries, and placing stress on their criminal justice systems, and firefighting programs"

Your example is a state law that is not a violation of federal law. There is no federal law banning fireworks. States can make their own laws. But all states are, in theory, supposed to be subject to the same federal law.

The United States bans marijuana. The United States bans many guns. When one state ignores their COMMON federal law, another state can enforce that violation against the offending state. It's an apples to apples comparison- federal regulation by Congress of interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Drugs, guns, same law.

[seventwenty]

Bunt, but did federal law fully intend to preempt the field? And could Colorado actually uphold both state and federal law? It's been a bit since I read the DOJ's amicus brief, but I seem to recall even they were staying that there wasn't field preemption, that congress did not fully intend to regulate all criminal activity under the barcotics schedule and therefore Colorado could comply with state and federal law , for marijuana purposes.

[corey]

Having lived in SF for 15+ years (way too long) and Seattle for 6+ years the main reason you don't see Dallas Donuts is that there are hardly any outdoor swimming pools in either city. Plus there are fewer large lots available to accommodate them. There are plenty of stick built apartment buildings in both cities, which is what most people on here complain about for some reason. I personally don't care as long as the exterior materials are of higher quality such as brick, etc. Practically all of the 100 year old brick and stone buildings that are now treasured, and are lamented they were unsentimentally torn down in previous decades, are wood frame construction. There are PLENTY of Dallas Donuts with swimming pools in the South Bay and other parts of the Bay Area that don't have the crappy summers.

[comoneymaker]

I am sure you all know already but the church at Bayaud and Colorado has been abandoned for awhile and today I noticed a zoning change notice on a board. I'm sure like a 5 story apartment building will be going in.

[navyweaxguy]

FYI, don't google Dallas Donut at midnight if you are hungry.