ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 872

shivtim · #**17421** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 1:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martinman

I'm still a little incredulous about the 10 stories of parking. Does anyone know how much parking is at university house?

I don't remember the exact number, but it's a relatively small amount of parking. Something like 250 spots for 706 people. Student towers luckily don't need as much parking.

Martinman · #**17422** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 1:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATL_J

I suppose it depends on the footprint. A small lot will need higher levels of parking to get to an appropriate number of spaces. With that said, the deck is wrapped with active uses, so I can't imagine why the number of floors of parking would be an issue.

It's not that the number of floors of parking is "an issue". I just think that much parking can't possibly be for 280 student apartments alone and I'm wondering if it includes parking for an adjacent building or something else.

It's not a small lot by the way.

Frankster87 · #**17423** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 1:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATL_J

I suppose it depends on the footprint. A small lot will need higher levels of parking to get to an appropriate number of spaces. With that said, the deck is wrapped with active uses, so I can't imagine why the number of floors of parking would be an issue.

Even with the parking deck wrapped and possibly being on a smaller foot print, the issue is that the ratio of bodies to cars seems to be skewed more heavily toward cars than a standard (no pun intended) apartment or even student tower.

Assuming the smaller foot print, the 9 levels that are not parking deck (10 stories out of 19 stories for the deck), I would assume would also be a smaller foot print. 10 stories of parking on a smaller foot print isn't a big deal if the building is 30-40 stories high, but this is only 19 stories high, so over half of the height of the building is dedicated to parking.

It's nice that the deck is wrapped, but we should be promoting less parking per unit in the urban core of Midtown, given that it's our premiere urban, walk-able district. Student towers should be a shoo-in for this.

That said, the project looks great and I'm excited for it. I hope we hear more details soon about the parking. Given that the building is a bit of an L shape, that certainly changes things (I count only 8 floors on the shorter portion, including the ground floor).

Atlanta3000 · #**17424** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 2:56 PM**

Comparing high-rise apartments to high-rise student housing parking requirement is ridiculous. I rented several two and three bedroom apartments in Arlington, VA for just me before I moved to a house in Buckhead. I think this is common case for most apartment developments and why you don't see a 1:1 ratio of parking spaces to number of bedrooms. With that said, in these high-rise student housing developments there are 1 to 2 people per bedroom. The DRC Review said The Standard has 280 rooms. Assuming each room is 1 bedroom with 2 people - this tower will house 560 students at a minimum.

Let's be honest, the kid's that can afford to rent these apartments own cars.

jsvh · #**17425** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Let's be honest, the kid's that can afford to rent these apartments own cars.

Let's be honest. Many people like me make more than enough to own a car, but prefer not to. Many of my peers just prefer to take Uber around. Plus it is cheaper too. Especially if you have to pay for the parking you are using. These builders know what they are doing. Parking is not a good long term investment in these areas.

Street Advocate · #**17426** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

With that said, in these high-rise student housing developments there are 1 to 2 people per bedroom. The DRC Review said The Standard has 280 rooms. Assuming each room is 1 bedroom with 2 people - this tower will house 560 students at a minimum.

A point of clarification, the Standard has 280 residential apartments. Considering UH is 17 floors and has ~700 beds and SQ5 has 230 apartments with over 600 residents (I just called and confirmed), I'm anticipating over 700 residents from the Standard's 19 floors and 280 apartments.

Atlanta3000 · #**17427** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsvh

Let's be honest. Many people like me own more than enough to own a car, but prefer not to. Many of my peers just prefer to take Uber around. Plus it is cheaper too. Especially if you have to pay for the parking you are using. These builders know what they are doing. Parking is not a good long term investment in these areas.

To each his own jsvh and you and I are entitled to our opinions. The one fact (not opinion) we do know is that a developer and their investors are not in the business of building excess parking unless they feel their market research says it is needed in order to meet their financial projections.

shivtim · #**17428** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

-The boutique condo building 238 14th st. filed for its SPI permit

This is great news. We need more of this type of infill in Midtown. The condo supply is really tight right now. These small condo developments provide a great alternative to highrises and single family homes... at least for the 1% that can afford them.

arctk2014 · #**17429** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:38 PM**

More images from Atlanta Business Chronicle:

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...udent-housing-tower-planned-near.html#g2

Honestly it won't look that far off from the University House student tower considering it's the same architect.....

PS- I wonder how the Midtown DRC views the drive-though off 4th street.

Atlanta3000 · #**17430** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by arctk2014

More images from Atlanta Business Chronicle:

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...udent-housing-tower-planned-near.html#g2

Honestly it won't look that far off from the University House student tower considering it's the same architect.....

PS- I wonder how the Midtown DRC views the drive-though off 4th street.

I like it - even the big @$$ parking garage!

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**17431** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:54 PM**

I like it better than the University house development though; it looks less disjointed and more cohesive. I also like that they kept the midblock alley between it and Flex.

arctk2014 · #**17432** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

I like it better than the University house development though; it looks less disjointed and more cohesive. I also like that they kept the midblock alley between it and Flex.

They wouldn't have been allowed to have an open parking deck against the property line otherwise - I'm betting it also provides fire truck access.

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**17433** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 4:07 PM**

That article also has some really interesting tidbits:

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The project would include 280 apartments (a mix of one, two, three, four and five-bedroom units) and 11,200 square feet of commercial space.

A Starbucks coffee shop would anchor the street-level retail with a drive-thru lane accessible from 4th street.

The project could break ground this summer, with the first units delivering around summer 2018.

Given it will have even 5br units that means it could be easily 700-900 people living in there depending on how many units are larger.

And sounds like they will be moving fast on this if they want to break ground in the summer.

Martinman · #**17434** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 4:08 PM**

The height of the parking deck is understandable now given that it only sits on a portion of the block. I agree that it is better than University House although it does look a little like UH 2.0.

Atlanta3000 · #**17435** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martinman

The height of the parking deck is understandable now given that it only sits on a portion of the block. I agree that it is better than University House although it does look a little like UH 2.0.

You would agree having UH 2.0 is better than Novare 8.0???

DNR · #**17436** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 4:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

I like it better than the University house development though; it looks less disjointed and more cohesive. I also like that they kept the midblock alley between it and Flex.

Yes, I prefer the new design as well. I have always felt like the University House tower could have been straight out of East Berlin.

AtlantaMustang · #**17437** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 4:43 PM**

New renderings of Gatech's HPCC right across the corner from the standard. On my phone so can't post them, but the design is refined a bit. Still not sold on the courtyard, but damn it's a big project.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...sign-unveiled-for-georgia-tech-high.html

arctk2014 · #**17438** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

New renderings of Gatech's HPCC right across the corner from the standard. On my phone so can't post them, but the design is refined a bit. Still not sold on the courtyard, but damn it's a big project.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...sign-unveiled-for-georgia-tech-high.html

Here ya go to help:

Frankster87 · #**17439** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 5:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Let's be honest, the kid's that can afford to rent these apartments own cars.

Despite these being luxury apartments, aren't they still cheaper than actually living on campus? I'm also guessing it's likely the parents footing the bill for these apartments.

That said, what would a college freshman or sophomore living in one of these buildings need a car for anyway? They can walk to their classes/job at [insert nearby low wage college job here] or take one of the many Ga Tech shuttles/buses. Seems like an unnecessary expense for a student (and many adults in the neighborhood, like yours truly

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Street Advocate · #**17440** Posted **Mar 9, 2016, 5:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by arctk2014

Here ya go to help:

Wow, what a goliath of a project for this part of town. Anyone know what "flex space" refers to? Retail? Or just open space for collaboration? I'm not as turned off from the courtyard as others may be, since it appears you'll be able to walk directly from West Peachtree to Spring Street. Reminds me of a grander courtyard of the building directly to the north of it.

This project and the Standard may invigorate life into development around North Ave and connection Midtown more seamlessly with downtown