Highways in Canada

[sa230e]

Originally Posted by eternallyme

There is no room to expand the 401 in that section - the ROW is maxed out. To add express lanes would require stacking them over the collectors through a double-deck highway.

Or mass expropriation. Yes, it would be a hard sell in Toronto but so would a double-decker freeway, and probably wouldn't be much more expensive.

Plus, that section is already a big bottleneck. To build a another highway on top of it would require big time lane closures which would pretty much grind the 401 to a halt.

[sa230e]

Originally Posted by Horus

This is interesting - an interactive schematic of the soon-to-be-constructed interchange of Highways 7 and 86 in Kitchener. This would be the western terminus of the upgraded Highway 7 between Guelph and Kitchener.

http://www.bingemans.com/hwy7/phase2.html

That's going to be one hell of an interchange!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by RueBulmer

Who notices anymore. I think of Côte St. Luc as an Anglo name.

I like history so that will never happen to my kind but that's largely true (though Côte-St-Luc might be a bit extreme).

Here in Gatineau a lot of people don't think of Maloney (a main drag) as an anglo name I am sure.

I've even heard some less worldly Ottawans say that ''Hull" is a French name, I suppose because it's in Quebec and mainly francophone.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Andy6

Were they trying to balance off things in Quebec City that were named after British nobility and royalty in the 18th and 19th century?

It could be though I have no idea when these things were named and so it's hard for me to say.

Certainly the central part of Quebec City has many streets and parks with British names (Holland, Haldimand, Gilmour, Maguire, Dorchester, Moncton, etc.) for a city as francophone as it is.

Of course, it wasn't always so, and of course there was the power relationship that entered into it too.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I like history so that will never happen to my kind but that's largely true (though Côte-St-Luc might be a bit extreme).

Here in Gatineau a lot of people don't think of Maloney (a main drag) as an anglo name I am sure.

I've even heard some less worldly Ottawans say that ''Hull" is a French name, I suppose because it's in Quebec and mainly francophone.

Diplomatically put.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It could be though I have no idea when these things were named and so it's hard for me to say.

Certainly the central part of Quebec City has many streets and parks with British names (Holland, Haldimand, Gilmour, Maguire, Dorchester, Moncton, etc.) for a city as francophone as it is.

Of course, it wasn't always so, and of course there was the power relationship that entered into it too.

I'm trying to think of any French street names here in Kitchener and I'm coming up empty. The closest would be St-Leger (pronounced "ledger" and English) and Pequegnat (Swiss, I believe). For some reason, German names are much more common ....

[north 42]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I'm trying to think of any French street names here in Kitchener and I'm coming up empty. The closest would be St-Leger (pronounced "ledger" and English) and Pequegnat (Swiss, I believe). For some reason, German names are much more common ....

That's interesting, the majority of the original street names in Windsor are French names.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I'm trying to think of any French street names here in Kitchener and I'm coming up empty. The closest would be St-Leger (pronounced "ledger" and English) )

Probably named for the brand of Scotch anyway...

[1overcosc]

There is a Guy Street in Kingston, it's named after some colonial era Francophone politician, however it's now pronounced the English way (/ɡaɪ/ instead of /ɡi/)

[le calmar]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Here in Gatineau a lot of people don't think of Maloney (a main drag) as an anglo name I am sure.

I always thought it was an English name. You mean, it is not? Speaking of names, downtown Sherbrooke has only a handful of street with French names. One one them is Dufferin St, pronounced the "right" way (since it is of English origin). I knew that the Terrasse Dufferin in Quebec City was pronounced the French way, but I was suprised to hear it pronounced the same way in Gatineau as well. I found it surprising given the context of Gatineau, which is more bilingual than Sherbrooke, very close to Ontario.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by le calmar

I always thought it was an English name. You mean, it is not? .

Boulevard Maloney was named for lumber baron JP Maloney, who was an anglo of Irish origin. But today it is generally pronounced ''mal-au-nez".

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

There is a Guy Street in Kingston, it's named after some colonial era Francophone politician, however it's now pronounced the English way (/ɡaɪ/ instead of /ɡi/)

I am pretty sure Guy St. in Kingston was named for Sir Guy Carleton, who was a British governor of Canada I think. So the English Guy pronunciation is the right one. Guy St. in Montreal is said the French way, even by most anglos I think. It was named for the same guy.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I am pretty sure Guy St. in Kingston was named for Sir Guy Carleton, who was a British governor of Canada I think. So the English Guy pronunciation is the right one. Guy St. in Montreal is said the French way, even by most anglos I think. It was named for the same guy.

That's what I thought originally, but I heard from a friend of a friend (who is a history professor at Queen's, so I assume he knows his stuff), that it's origin is actually from a Francophone politician in the Province of Canada legislature. I forget who.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

That's what I thought originally, but I heard from a friend of a friend (who is a history professor at Queen's, so I assume he knows his stuff), that it's origin is actually from a Francophone politician in the Province of Canada legislature. I forget who.

Kingston does have a lot of stuff named for the governor of New France Frontenac.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It could be though I have no idea when these things were named and so it's hard for me to say.

Certainly the central part of Quebec City has many streets and parks with British names (Holland, Haldimand, Gilmour, Maguire, Dorchester, Moncton, etc.) for a city as francophone as it is.

Of course, it wasn't always so, and of course there was the power relationship that entered into it too.

Not to be pedantic, but Sir Frederick Haldimand was Swiss and Samuel Holland was from ... Holland (and married to a French-Canadian).

Quebec City had a large English-speaking population from the 1770s right through the 1950s, when much of the naming of things would have occurred. It was a fairly even split through the early 19th century. The history of Quebec City in the decades following the conquest is actually quite interesting. Not as much of a "two solitudes" situation as people assume.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Andy6

Not to be pedantic, but Sir Frederick Haldimand was Swiss and Samuel Holland was from ... Holland (and married to a French-Canadian).

Quebec City had a large English-speaking population from the 1770s right through the 1950s, when much of the naming of things would have occurred. It was a fairly even split through the early 19th century. The history of Quebec City in the decades following the conquest is actually quite interesting. Not as much of a "two solitudes" situation as people assume.

The rise and fall of Quebec City's Anglo population is something that should be better known, as it must be a very interesting story, it seems to me. I guess the Simons would be the most prominent Anglo family name still associated with Quebec City, although there may be others.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by Andy6

Not to be pedantic, but Sir Frederick Haldimand was Swiss...

Not pedantic at all. I grew up there, but I had no idea, so thanks for the info.

Come to think of it, Haldimand is clearly not a British name, but overt familiarity with it probably conditioned me to never wonder about its provenance.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I'm trying to think of any French street names here in Kitchener and I'm coming up empty. The closest would be St-Leger (pronounced "ledger" and English) and Pequegnat (Swiss, I believe). For some reason, German names are much more common ....

That's cus the city of Kitchener used to be called Berlin. They change the name during WW1 - Sept. 1, 1916.

[Innsertnamehere]

German names are absolutely everywhere in Kitchener, its very different than the rest of Ontario where its either french or english.

[eemy]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

That's cus the city of Kitchener used to be called Berlin. They change the name during WW1 - Sept. 1, 1916.

The streets have Germanic names thanks to the early Mennonite settlers. I imagine it was called Berlin for the same reason, though I'm not entirely sure how much connection the settlers had with Germany by that point as wikipedia says they came from Pennsylvania.