YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

They start in May with three a day then ramp up to four daily in July with the full summer schedule.........

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The 18-19 daily flights is AC only. Add another 11 with Westjet and one daily Sunwing and a couple of weekly Transats.

Hey! that's 30 flights a day pretty much between the two major carriers alone. I wonder what frequency that breaks down to? How many flights per hour. So I'd need the total # of daily YVR operating hours. Anybody? Please.

2): Also, do you know where the TWV project is at? There's a website up and running to determine eligibilty, with instructions for both YVR and YYZ, plus legal information
for travellers connecting, .... so is it iminently operational, or what?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Hey! that's 30 flights a day pretty much between the two major carriers alone. I wonder what frequency that breaks down to? How many flights per hour. So I'd need the total # of daily YVR operating hours. Anybody? Please.

2): Also, do you know where the TWV project is at? There's a website up and running to determine eligibilty, with instructions for both YVR and YYZ, plus legal information
for travellers connecting, .... so is it iminently operational, or what?

Just go check aircanada.com and westjet.com timetables section to get this info.

They sometimes update at different timelines compared to what I post but you will get a pretty accurate estimate.

Basically with any airline, each airline's website have fairly accurate up to date timetable info. Those that have PDF options are sometimes out of date.

[nname]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Hey! that's 30 flights a day pretty much between the two major carriers alone. I wonder what frequency that breaks down to? How many flights per hour. So I'd need the total # of daily YVR operating hours. Anybody? Please.

Here is the schedule for July 15th (Friday)

12:25am	AC1172	320
6:00am	AC136	763
6:30am	WS700	738
7:00am	AC108	320
7:55am	AC142	320
8:00am	WS702	738
8:30am	AC1188	320
9:00am	AC34	77L
9:20am	WS706	738
9:30am	AC116	788
10:30am	AC1162	763
11:15am	WS710	738
11:45am	AC1182	319
12:15pm	WS712	736
12:45pm	TS963	738
1:00pm	AC132	763
1:15pm	WS714	738
1:15pm	AC1136	77W
2:30pm	AC1108	321
2:40pm	WS716	738
4:00pm	WS718	73G
4:05pm	AC100	320
5:00pm	AC148	321
5:15pm	WS722	73G
5:30pm	AC152	321
6:15pm	AC1180	320
10:15pm	AC156	763
10:45pm	WS724	738
11:00pm	AC162	77W
11:15pm	WG806	738
11:20pm	WS730	73G
11:20pm	WG808	738

Total: 32 flights
Air Canada 18, Westjet 11, Sunwing 2, Transat 1

[excel]

Is YVR the most frequent route out of YYZ?

[Klazu]

I would think so. Interesting how it is busy all day, but then there is a quiet period between 6:15pm and 10:15pm.

Seems that there is also some variation to these flights throughout the year. I will be catching a 10:30pm AC156 in few weeks, but it will be on a 77W instead of 763 indicated on this list. I actually hope it would be the latter plane, as I have not flown a 767 too often and they supposedly have more space than the 77W.

I will be heading down to MIA for ten days and flying out of TPA. My wife will have the chance to try out the Westjet route to MCO around the same time. the flight to MCO is a surprisingly long flight, especially heading back with flight time of 6:33! That must be pretty much the longest trans-continent flight there is!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by excel

Is YVR the most frequent route out of YYZ?

I had always thought it woulf be YYZ - YUL. It sure used to be, but that was a long time ago. Still, it would be normal to have a commuter jet service between the two biggest cities, no?

[Klazu]

It might be more frequent, but I think there are more AC seats flying between Vancouver and Toronto due to bigger planes.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Klazu

It might be more frequent, but I think there are more AC seats flying between Vancouver and Toronto due to bigger planes.

According to this list, YVR-YYZ ranked 50th in the world in term of seat capacity, and is the route with most seats out of both YVR and YYZ.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I would think so. Interesting how it is busy all day, but then there is a quiet period between 6:15pm and 10:15pm.

Seems that there is also some variation to these flights throughout the year. I will be catching a 10:30pm AC156 in few weeks, but it will be on a 77W instead of 763 indicated on this list. I actually hope it would be the latter plane, as I have not flown a 767 too often and they supposedly have more space than the 77W.

The gap between 6:15pm and 10:15 pm makes perfect sense when you look at arrival time.

6:00pm departure from YVR arrives in YYZ at 1:00 am.

while the

10:00pm departure arriving in YYZ at 6:00 am in the morning.

There is not much point arriving into Toronto between 1:00 am and 6:00 am. The airport may be open but it will be difficult getting a cab or using public transit.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by casper

The gap between 6:15pm and 10:15 pm makes perfect sense when you look at arrival time.

6:00pm departure from YVR arrives in YYZ at 1:00 am.

while the

10:00pm departure arriving in YYZ at 6:00 am in the morning.

There is not much point arriving into Toronto between 1:00 am and 6:00 am. The airport may be open but it will be difficult getting a cab or using public transit.

There is an overnight curfew in place at YYZ. Check this out:

Is Toronto Pearson closed at night?

Toronto Pearson is open 24/7/365. Our night operations are a mix of cargo and passenger services.

The airport manages a Night Flight Restriction Program to manage the impact of aircraft noise during restricted hours (12:30-6:30 a.m.). Transport Canada has imposed annual limits on the total number of night flights at Toronto Pearson to ensure that flights during the restricted period remain proportionate to overall traffic levels.

The GTAA uses a night preferential runway system from midnight to 6:30 a.m. using flight paths that impact the fewest people. The order of priority for preferential runways is: Runway 23, 33R and 24R for departures, and Runway 05, 15L and 06L for arrivals.

Source: http://www.torontopearson.com/en/noisequestionsandanswers/#

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Klazu

It might be more frequent, but I think there are more AC seats flying between Vancouver and Toronto due to bigger planes.

That surely must be the case, because ... there 252,000 +/- pax YYZ>< Vancouver at 50th place ....

Originally Posted by nname

According to this list, YVR-YYZ ranked 50th in the world in term of seat capacity

and is the route with more seats than YYZ-YUL.
yet also, there are 106 flights a day YYZ><YUL !!!

What kind of planes does Porter use, anyway? Ahh, Dash 8; rather like YVR>< SEA or PDX. That sort of explains itself. (I wonder how travellers like using Billy Bishop)

§ (also, regarding city pair volume in sheer # of pax & flights, check out Sydney><Melbourne) Quite something.

[nname]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

yet also, there are 106 flights a day YYZ><YUL !!!

YVR-YYZ almost made the list actually.

Here are the number for July 15th:


YUL-YYZ: 31 flights
YYZ-YUL: 31 flights
YUL-YTZ: 29 flights
YTZ-YUL: 28 flights
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Total YUL <> YYZ: 62 flights
Total YUL <> YTZ: 57 flights
Total Montreal <> Toronto: 119 flights


YVR-YYZ: 32 flights
YYZ-YVR: 30 flights
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Total Vancouver <> Toronto: 62 flights


YYC-YYZ: 27 flights
YYZ-YYC: 27 flights
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Total Calgary <> Toronto: 54 flights


YYC-YVR: 27 flights
YVR-YYC: 27 flights
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Total Calgary <> Vancouver: 54 flights


YYC-YEG: 21 flights
YEG-YYC: 22 flights
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Total Calgary <> Edmonton: 43 flights



However, I'm sure Vancouver <> Victoria would be much much more than these if all the seaplanes are included

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Just a mini update.

For the 777 lovers out there...

AC has just updated YVR-YYZ for the summer scheds by adding back one of the 77Ws early afternoon. So there will be two 77Ws, one 77L, one 788 and four 763s per day for wide body action.

The daily tally on YVR-YYZ also goes back to 18-19 per day.

Fantastic news, the more widebodies on this route the better.

At 10 per day Vancouver gets more domestic wide-bodies than almost any airport gets period.

YVR-YYZ = 8
YVR-YUL = 2

Just to put this in persepctive, YYC, the 3rd busiest airport in Canada, sees 10 widebodies per day total, 8 international and 2 domestic.

YVR sees on average 50 if I count correctly.

35 per day internationally
1 per day to EWR
1.5 per day to JFK
1 per week to HNL/OGG
1 per day to LAS
8 per day to YYZ
2 per day to YUL

And I would imagine certain days in summer see far more than 35 with some seeing less, but that's way too much work to figure out.

[trofirhen]

Interesting statistics, thanks to both of you.
Leftcoaster mentioned that YYC is the third busiest airport in Canada, by logic making YUL the fourth. I wonder why this is so? Perhaps less domestic and trandsborder, more international out of YUL? Anybody?

[LeftCoaster]

Lots of reasons, weak domestic at YUL primarily.

YUL should pass YYC again this year for 3rd busiest, given the downturn in YYC... it's just that YUL still hasn't released their December 15 numbers for some bizarre reason.

[s211]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Lots of reasons, weak domestic at YUL primarily.

YUL should pass YYC again this year for 3rd busiest, given the downturn in YYC... it's just that YUL still hasn't released their December 15 numbers for some bizarre reason.

They need to add a "winning conditions" adjustment factor.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Interesting statistics, thanks to both of you.
Leftcoaster mentioned that YYC is the third busiest airport in Canada, by logic making YUL the fourth. I wonder why this is so? Perhaps less domestic and trandsborder, more international out of YUL? Anybody?

Key reasons:
- Via Rail between downtown Montreal and Ottawa and Toronto
- Amtrack railway between Montreal and New York
- Two hour drive to Ottawa,
- Lots of other major business centres within a two/three hour drive.

When you compare that to YYC every major business centre near Calgary is something like a 4 to 5 hour drive. As someone who use to live in Saskatoon I know I transited through YYC more times than I care to remember to get to Europe, the states or the rest of Canada. I think the same holds for much of the AB and SK. From YXE it was almost always a transit throught Toronto, Winnipeg, Minneapolis or Calgary. In many cases Calgary offered the shortest route.

All the said, Montreal and Calgary are very close to each other in numbers and this year it could well be the other way given the downturn in Alberta.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by nname

According to this list, YVR-YYZ ranked 50th in the world in term of seat capacity, and is the route with most seats out of both YVR and YYZ.

It's quite interesting how many domestic flights Japan can support even though all the Shinkansen traffic between many of those cities. Some of them are just far enough (like Sapporo and Fukuoka) that even bullet train is not competitive enough anymore.

It's also interesting how well the route between Madrid and Barcelona (which used to be one of the most frequent flight routes, I believe) has kept its numbers despite a 350km/h high-speed trail starting operating between the two cities few years ago.

I think most of the traffic between Sydney and Melbourne could also be replaced with a bullet train that could traverse the route in two hours if ever built. Same with Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo.

[zahav]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Fantastic news, the more widebodies on this route the better.

At 10 per day Vancouver gets more domestic wide-bodies than almost any airport gets period.

YVR-YYZ = 8
YVR-YUL = 2

Just to put this in persepctive, YYC, the 3rd busiest airport in Canada, sees 10 widebodies per day total, 8 international and 2 domestic.

YVR sees on average 47 if I count correctly.

35 per day internationally
1 per day to EWR
1 per day to LAS
8 per day to YYZ
2 per day to YUL

And I would imagine certain days in summer see far more than 35 with some seeing less, but that's way too much work to figure out.

It definitely depends on the day for international, but 35 is about right for average. Did you include 1 per day Cathay to JFK in your international count? If not, add that in. There's also 1 per day to Honolulu, and usually 1 to Maui as well (not fully daily)

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by zahav

It definitely depends on the day for international, but 35 is about right for average. Did you include 1 per day Cathay to JFK in your international count? If not, add that in. There's also 1 per day to Honolulu, and usually 1 to Maui as well (not fully daily)

Good point, I forgot about both JFK widebodies (Cathay and Philippines). I've edited my original post to include them.