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For the record, this decision was anything but hasty. There was a long series of public meetings, opponents were given the opportunity to introduce alternative re-use plans, there were competing economic studies, and so on.

The main problem was the simple fact the Arena was a huge impediment to redeveloping the surrounding parking lots. You can see that as they are currently preparing the site--they are doing all sort of regrading and introducing new streets that would not be possible if the Arena was still there. This was the result of the Arena being built in an era when planners were basically ignoring any sort of best practices for urban areas.

Another problem was that just maintaining the Arena was expensive, and reconfiguring for other uses would also be very expensive. It was actually a quite complex structure

Old train halls are a contrast in both respects. Generally they were fit into existing street grids, and so the only land at stake is the land they directly occupy. And they were generally very basic structures that could more easily be re-used.

In any event, again, this wasn't a hasty decision. But it was ultimately doomed by the fact that its original planners had ignored best practices, and there was no practical way to preserve it within the context of a good plan for the entire area. Indeed, near the end of the process, the opponents were basically arguing that the development plan was way too ambitious, and that is a bad position to be in (arguing that you might as well save the Arena since there is no way that land can be successfully re-used anyway).
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Not huge development news or anything, but I heard that Tazza D'Oro coffee shop in Highland Park is opening a location in Millvale.
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Not huge development news or anything, but I heard that Tazza D'Oro coffee shop in Highland Park is opening a location in Millvale.
This actually is huge news. I've been visiting Millvale a lot lately (Attic Records)... and have been amazed by how hip and vibrant it is becoming. There's a cluster of very interesting businesses there... and I've noticed a younger populace walking around the downtown area.
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This actually is huge news. I've been visiting Millvale a lot lately (Attic Records)... and have been amazed by how hip and vibrant it is becoming. There's a cluster of very interesting businesses there... and I've noticed a younger populace walking around the downtown area.
I have to agree. For an area that has had almost zero momentum in decades, besides on the riverfront, these are the micro-development increments that move a place from speculation to "wait a second, things ARE changing." The housing stock is what it is there, but proximity to town, Troy Hill, the Northside, Lawrenceville, the Strip, etc are a huge asset that could help tip the business district in Millvale in a hurry now that the momentum is surging. From there, the housing vultures will decide it's future.
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Sorry if this is off topic but I just had an interview today with Walnut Capitol and I am going to be their main photographer of their website and developments. They own Bakery Square and hundreds of other properties. Been trying to get something like this since I moved here.
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This actually is huge news. I've been visiting Millvale a lot lately (Attic Records)... and have been amazed by how hip and vibrant it is becoming. There's a cluster of very interesting businesses there... and I've noticed a younger populace walking around the downtown area.
I was in Millvale a couple weekends ago on a Saturday when it was close to 70 degrees out. I feel the same way. I wanted to check out Grist House Brewing... pretty laid back place... reminded us of places in Denver and Asheville. I think a great coffee shop like Tazza will really be good addition to the scene there.
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I live in Millvale, its anything but hip or vibrant, sure theres been a couple new hip breweries opening up, but nobody new is moving here, other than a couple news places, the people havent changed at all.
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Sorry if this is off topic but I just had an interview today with Walnut Capitol and I am going to be their main photographer of their website and developments. They own Bakery Square and hundreds of other properties. Been trying to get something like this since I moved here.
Congrats. Too bad they are total cheapskates though. They had a "real estate development" position open I was looking at online that was really just a secretary for $10 an hour.
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I look at it as a way to get in the door finally after all this time.
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I live in Millvale, its anything but hip or vibrant, sure theres been a couple new hip breweries opening up, but nobody new is moving here, other than a couple news places, the people havent changed at all.
I would think that if breweries and an established, successful coffee shop business have opened/is opening there, then that definitely signals change is coming. Most neighborhoods don't even have one brewery. Those types of businesses usually signal a resulting increase in interest in an area from a young adult demographic.

There is also a lot of interest in Millvale from a local architecture/design firm.
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I would think that if breweries and an established, successful coffee shop business have opened/is opening there, then that definitely signals change is coming. Most neighborhoods don't even have one brewery. Those types of businesses usually signal a resulting increase in interest in an area from a young adult demographic.

There is also a lot of interest in Millvale from a local architecture/design firm.
Agreed. Millvale is the new Lawrenceville. There's also some interesting food market under development across from Attic Records.

http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourno...lsmore/7192522-74/millvale-building-town
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I live right in front of Grist Brewery and from what I can see, yes theres people Ive never seen before in Millvale that actually dress and act like real human beings but from what Ive noticed for the past three years is that these people just come in from other neighborhoods and arent moving here at all. Yes, there is also a fresh foods market coming in which will be amazing. I sure hope people start moving here, because Im tired of crackheads fighting in front of my apartment every night and heroin addicts asking me for money. I have yet to see any houses getting restored, like what is and has been happening in Lville however.
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Sorry if this is off topic but I just had an interview today with Walnut Capitol and I am going to be their main photographer of their website and developments. They own Bakery Square and hundreds of other properties. Been trying to get something like this since I moved here.
That's awesome! They are lucky to have you.
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New Planning Commission presentation!

1. The Parking Authority is repairing the facade of the Third Avenue garage. It will be an improvement I suppose, but it's still a parking garage.

2. Extensive reconstruction of the First National Bank on Federal Street. The existing building is so hideous that virtually anything would have been a step up. Looks like they're going for a semi-historically styled facade, which will fit in much better with that area.

3. A building (or series of three buildings) on North Highland in East Liberty is getting some facade work done. This has been in the planning commission before and recently came back. The work is more important, IMHO, because the owners also own like half of the smaller buildings in Downtown East Liberty. If they'll invest here, they'll invest elsewhere too.

4. Work is being done on the Pitt Energy Innovation Center - apparently mostly related to venting of gases from research labs.
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For the record, this decision was anything but hasty. There was a long series of public meetings, opponents were given the opportunity to introduce alternative re-use plans, there were competing economic studies, and so on.

The main problem was the simple fact the Arena was a huge impediment to redeveloping the surrounding parking lots. You can see that as they are currently preparing the site--they are doing all sort of regrading and introducing new streets that would not be possible if the Arena was still there. This was the result of the Arena being built in an era when planners were basically ignoring any sort of best practices for urban areas.

Another problem was that just maintaining the Arena was expensive, and reconfiguring for other uses would also be very expensive. It was actually a quite complex structure

Old train halls are a contrast in both respects. Generally they were fit into existing street grids, and so the only land at stake is the land they directly occupy. And they were generally very basic structures that could more easily be re-used.

In any event, again, this wasn't a hasty decision. But it was ultimately doomed by the fact that its original planners had ignored best practices, and there was no practical way to preserve it within the context of a good plan for the entire area. Indeed, near the end of the process, the opponents were basically arguing that the development plan was way too ambitious, and that is a bad position to be in (arguing that you might as well save the Arena since there is no way that land can be successfully re-used anyway).
I don't think we're in disagreement here.

The arena would be huge and difficult to maintain, and even if you stripped it down to the shell and built a market platform above a parking structure (plenty of internal space to do that), you'd be left with a market platform well above street level on the downtown side. And so on.

But my point is not to disconsider something because of who said it -- rather, to consider the ramifications of it and at least give it some thought before you decide it's not going to work. In the end (unlike repurposing a train hall), there is a good argument to be made that the arena couldn't be purposed as a market hall ... and its existence on the site made it difficult to achieve the city's other major goals (i.e. rebuilding some facsimile of the urban fabric the poorly-considered arena destroyed to begin with).

Random thought: Given how little it's used, maybe make Penn Station's main waiting hall a central market?
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Eleven's chef is opening a restaurant in the Union Trust Building. I'm excited to see what else ends up in that stunning building.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/dev...nion-Trust-Building/stories/201603040119
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I agree it is tough to get too excited about a garage, but that one really does look terrible.

The bank project seems great to me.

I like the concept of the Highland project, including what looks like a plan to activate the alley, but is that original historic tile and brick work they want to replace?

That plan for the South Side Riverfront Park entry near Hofbrauhaus looks nice.
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Eleven's chef is opening a restaurant in the Union Trust Building.
It is nice to see stuff creeping south toward the Mon.
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Article on Pitt's plans for its space in the EIC--I actually didn't realize they were so ambitious:

http://powersource.post-gazette.com/busi...ergy-research-space/stories/201603030208
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