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Old Posted Feb 25, 2016, 9:32 PM
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^ True. I'll give you that one. I stand corrected.
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http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_29...tower-planned-tiny-triangle-denver-owned

Someone should do a health & safety check on the Streetsblog guy, the announcement of a tower with no parking probably made him pass out.

Do you think the money saved on not building parking will be spent on decent architecture?
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Just learned some info on the second Four Seasons tower. It is currently in play, but no shovels will hit the ground until the market cools off and construction price go down. This tower will be rentals but will be managed by the Four Seasons. More of a high end extended stay hotel.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2016, 10:33 AM
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Just learned some info on the second Four Seasons tower. It is currently in play, but no shovels will hit the ground until the market cools off and construction price go down. This tower will be rentals but will be managed by the Four Seasons. More of a high end extended stay hotel.
That makes no sense. If you wait till construction cools down you are waiting for the market to cool down which means they make less money. Not a very good business model. Any idea on how tall ??
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2016, 11:03 AM
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My guess is 325. That's being generous.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2016, 12:36 PM
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Per the zoning code, the maximum FAR (floor area ratio) allowed on the site is 17:1. Since the site is so small, we know there will likely be no setbacks and that the building footprint/floorplates will be virtually the same as the parcel; therefore, the tallest building we'd see on this site is a 17-story building or approximately 180 feet. The developers are aiming for 12-14 stories, so assuming a 20-foot floor-ceiling height for the ground-floor and 10 feet per floor above, I'm guessing around 170-ish feet to the top after a mechanical penthouse. For comparison purposes, the Webb building across 14th Street is 192 feet tall.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2016, 4:27 PM
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That makes no sense. If you wait till construction cools down you are waiting for the market to cool down which means they make less money. Not a very good business model. Any idea on how tall ??
This was from the mouth of the CEO of one of the Co-Developers during a presentation. They are taking a long term position on the project. They are not as worried about occupancy in the first few years as they are about cost. Their long term stance means they will hold the project through downturns. Based on that rational they want construction costs to be as low as possible.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2016, 5:45 PM
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This was from the mouth of the CEO of one of the Co-Developers during a presentation. They are taking a long term position on the project. They are not as worried about occupancy in the first few years as they are about cost. Their long term stance means they will hold the project through downturns. Based on that rational they want construction costs to be as low as possible.
Good luck with that.

On another note, Shelby's bar on 18th is closing and being torn down...the large lot bounding Broadway and 18th/19th has been sold. Anyone have any insight on what the plans are for that location? Hopefully something more significant than the neighboring 7-11.
     
     
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Probably another 7-11
     
     
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Probably another 7-11
I'll go with bank branch.
     
     
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What is the purpose of the floor area ratio, and is good or bad, all things considered?
     
     
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Probably another 7-11
OOO! OO! I know, I know. A starbucks drive thru with an extenda-drive thru to handle the long queue!!!
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2016, 2:44 AM
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What is the purpose of the floor area ratio, and is good or bad, all things considered?
It's neither good or bad, just a common measure that's used for gross building area or, more generally, density. Since lots come in all shapes and sizes, it's a way of expressing the amount of gross building area on a lot as a ratio to the lot size. It's fallen out of favor to some degree with form-based zoning codes, which often use other ways of shaping the amount of building on a lot. The Downtown Denver zoning code is still FAR based.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2016, 4:19 PM
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Oh, I guess none of us read the Denver Post article too carefully as it says the site is limited by the view plane to 155 feet.
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That makes no sense. If you wait till construction cools down you are waiting for the market to cool down which means they make less money. Not a very good business model. Any idea on how tall ??
It's not an uncommon philosophy. They're hoping the ratio between costs and rents will improve. Their fluctuations aren't the same.

They might be thinking that the current local boom has peaked, which must be a common worry given the recent vacancy report, the oil market, and global worries. So rents might be stagnant before a new project would complete in 2017 or 2018. But construction activity is still high due to past starts, and other sectors possibly keeping busy for a while, though I don't know the local market enough to say.

If they wait a few years, maybe they can catch the front of an apartment wave rather than the back of one. If the area is generally slower, every step of the contractor/subcontractor/supplier chain will be hungrier and price more aggressively. And rents will be more likely to have risen before the project completes.

Condos don't work that way of course. If they have to presell to get financing, then they build with 2016 dollars and sell at 2016 dollars. That's unless the project has enough equity that they don't have to presell, in which case they can sell in 2017 or 2018 dollars.
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According to one of the people at Urban Roots on 10th and Acoma, the ugly pink building and old abandoned house are coming down and being replaced by condos (the two buildings surrounding Urban Roots at the NE corner of 10th and Acoma)

AND the former daycare across the street (the SE corner of 10th and Acoma) is being demolished and replaced by condos as well. He said they would be similar to the new condos that went up at 10th and Bannock, so nothing too tall or exciting.
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Condos? Really?
Sorry, I was rushing out the door, probably more likely townhomes.
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