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Old Posted Feb 18, 2016, 2:34 PM
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Is anyone else intrigued by the 'more transit connectivity' claimed on the signage?
Could this mean a True North Station/hub is being incorporated somewhere?
Not sure what more could be done there. Graham Ave is the transit hub for downtown. Seem all those phrases about "more" on the fencing is more than other developments maybe.
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LRT that starts from Graham at Main, cuts through a redeveloped Bay building, goes underground at St. Mary Ave and emerges somewhere along Portage, stopping at Polo Park?
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LRT that starts from Graham at Main, cuts through a redeveloped Bay building, goes underground at St. Mary Ave and emerges somewhere along Portage, stopping at Polo Park?
That's just krazee talk but I like the way you think big!
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2016, 3:29 PM
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2016, 8:13 PM
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Chain vs. Independent Hotels

Perhaps I should explain myself a little better. Individually, people will decide to go to Winnipeg regardless of the hotels that are there. However, where they choose to stay within the city will be greatly influenced by which hotels are available.

e.g. A colleague's daughter won a human rights award. For the ceremony, CMHR flew them out to Winnipeg and booked them a room at the Inn at the Forks. Before the trip, she came to me worried about this "independent" place that they had been booked into and wanted to confirm that she should instead book a room at the Fairmont as she would "at least know what she is getting". I had to convince her that the CMHR-view rooms at the Inn at the Forks are my preferred way of introducing people to Winnipeg and that she should stick with what was booked.

At the moment, most of the chain hotels are all out in an industrial park by the airport. Do we really want to encourage loyalty-conscious frequent travellers to stay there, rather than downtown? Another colleague's daughter was managing a project in Winnipeg that took several weeks. She stayed at the airport Hilton just for the status that she earned. From what I understand, the Four Points at the airport had the highest occupancy rate in the city for years. Part of it was because you can roll luggage right into the terminal from your room, but part of it was because it is Starwood.

An extreme example: One year, my "Christmas present" was my family putting up with a mini-"mattress run" while visiting Winnipeg. The first night was the Four Points at the airport, the second night the Four Points on Pembina, the third back to the airport, etc. Those stays bumped my loyalty status for the year.

A much more common example: When travelling around southern Ontario I make a point of choosing relatively inexpensive Hampton Inns and Homewood Suites to get status with Hilton. Then when it comes time to actually book a major trip with my family, we enjoy far better experiences than we would otherwise. (e.g. Apart from the free breakfasts and other perks, booking a standard room at the Doubletree Times Square but being upgraded to a room which had a living room that looked straight down the Square at the New Year's Eve ball, booking a standard room at the Hilton Universal City and getting a top floor view of Universal Studios and downtown LA's skyline over the Hollywood Hills - think back to the opening credits of LA Law, etc.).

Not everyone is driven by loyalty status and points. However, for those frequent travellers that are, another independent hotel downtown will not get them to change where they stay. Very few will take the chance on not maintaining their status with their loyalty program just for a "nice" room at an independent hotel.

A separate issue is where meetings and conventions get booked in the first place. Most of the big chains have programs wherein the meeting bookers themselves get points/status without even going on the trip. It is a lot easier to work out deals with various groups when you have adjacent chain hotels.

A small scale example: One of my previous bosses was a Marriott guy. Every time we needed an off-site room for a meeting, it was at a Marriott property. At first I did not understand why he would ask for that until I found out you get credit for staying the equivalent of 10 nights for each meeting you book. You can receive Marriott Platinum status after eight meetings without ever staying a night. Learn how at: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marriott-...us-eight-days-800-no-stays-required.html

On a larger scale, it is an asset for the Convention Centre to be able to say what hotels are nearby and either partner with them directly or let attending groups set up their own partnerships. Being able to say that there is a Hilton within walking distance is an asset. Being able to say that there is an otherwise excellent Hilton marooned in an industrial area away from downtown, not so much.

To me, this is a huge missed opportunity.
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2016, 8:26 PM
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Those who travel a lot will go to where their company has negotiated rates, or may choose another hotel for whatever reason (ie points) and pay the difference between their per diem, and another hotel's rate. There were times when the Fort Garry and the Inn at the Forks were killing the chain hotels in RevPAR. Being part of a chain does not translate into better service, or consistency across the brand.
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Maybe none of the major loyalty chains wanted anything to do with TNS?
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Agree with Dave. A friend runs a Starwood and says points are a big deal to the people who collect them.
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I would much rather have seen a W, Westin or JW.
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Read on another forum that they went with Sutton because they already have some business connections (Moxies & Shark Club). Northlands also owns the Dallas Stars.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 6:18 PM
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Well the Convention centre needs to monitor this because given Northlands' habitual stagnation regarding construction, booking functions based on a completion date will be a gamble. I would like to think TN is privy to Northlands' ways of building/renovating, so we shall see.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 6:21 PM
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Read on another forum that they went with Sutton because they already have some business connections (Moxies & Shark Club). Northlands also owns the Dallas Stars.
All that is from today's Free Press article.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/firm-behind-big-hotel-identified-369389711.html

"Sutton Place has an excellent reputation, and in my opinion, it would be on par with the Delta, if not a step above it," he said. "It’s a name and a brand I can get excited about."

I din't realize the Delta was a luxury hotel. I didn't find it very luxurious when I stayed there a number of years ago.
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didn't the Delta just finish a top to bottom renovation in the 2014- early 2015 time frame?
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 6:32 PM
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didn't the Delta just finish a top to bottom renovation in the 2014- early 2015 time frame?
Maybe, haven't been in there. Outside still looks the same.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 6:35 PM
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The hole at TNS is growing quit quickly. Probably 2/3 of the north shoring wall is exposed down to about the 2 storey depth. We'll assume the first building to go up will be the 19 storey office/retail tower. Amazing how shoring like that can hold back so much earth.

When that shoring is removed, how do they backfill the void without collapsing the earth behind it? Seems as they would be removing the wooden portions in between the soldier piles, that the earth (and sidewalk/road) could just collapse into the void.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 6:40 PM
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The Delta did recently renovate, but it is not luxurious.
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It's interesting/smart that they're partnering with Northlands a lot, as the American Airlines Arena Plaza (Dallas' home ice) is considered one of — if not the — best arena/entertainment areas in North America. They should be able to get a lot of valuable insight from them. I'm excited, although I do agree a more recognizable name may have been preferable.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 7:45 PM
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The Delta did recently renovate, but it is not luxurious.
It's an older building that doesn't quite measure up to current chain standards... a bit like the Fairmont which I'm sure is a disappointment to many visitors who normally stay at Fairmonts.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 7:54 PM
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It's an older building that doesn't quite measure up to current chain standards... a bit like the Fairmont which I'm sure is a disappointment to many visitors who normally stay at Fairmonts.
The Fairmont Winnipeg is the proverbial black sheep. I think it is overrated.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2016, 8:36 PM
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The hole at TNS is growing quit quickly. Probably 2/3 of the north shoring wall is exposed down to about the 2 storey depth. We'll assume the first building to go up will be the 19 storey office/retail tower. Amazing how shoring like that can hold back so much earth.

When that shoring is removed, how do they backfill the void without collapsing the earth behind it? Seems as they would be removing the wooden portions in between the soldier piles, that the earth (and sidewalk/road) could just collapse into the void.
I don't recall seeing the soldier piles/lagging being removed when MTS Center was being built.

As the bases are cemented in I think the whole assembly is left in place, or at least cut back a few feet below finished grade and then filled and packed accordingly.
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