YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[B767300ER]

WS is starting it's YYZ YVR YYZ rotation tomorrow with a B763, WS 714 departs YVR @ 1300 for any of you spotters.

Cheers

[Gordon]

Can the B Gates handle A 763?

[trofirhen]

In total, how many flights per day are there between YVR and YYZ, normally? What is the frequency? Thank you.

[B767300ER]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

In total, how many flights per day are there between YVR and YYZ, normally? What is the frequency? Thank you.

Sorry not sure exactly how many flights there are daily between YVR & YYZ. The 763 rotation was planned a while ago, not sure how long it will last. Probably just the two flights to start, if there is a late YYZ YVR flight its possible to make another run after arriving around 8pm eastern.

Cheers

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Can the B Gates handle A 763?

Any of the gates gates 14 to 22 can handle the 763. However the concourse B hammerhead has insufficient holdroom capacity to handle a widebody plus a full slate of 737 traffic. Back in the day, CP used to operate B763 flights to YYZ from what is now gates 19 and 23. The holdroom was jammed packed and the airplane held just over 200 pax. I only remember CP gating the 763 on concourse B, never the DC10 or 744.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

In total, how many flights per day are there between YVR and YYZ, normally? What is the frequency? Thank you.

Winter schedule AC runs about 12 flights per day including 6 widebodies. Summer schedule adds another 6 flights of which 2 are widebodies.

Winter schedule WS runs 6-8 flights per day with a mix 73G and 738. WS714 is the only widebody. Summer schedule and WS doubles the frequency on this route.

Originally Posted by B767300ER

Sorry not sure exactly how many flights there are daily between YVR & YYZ. The 763 rotation was planned a while ago, not sure how long it will last. Probably just the two flights to start, if there is a late YYZ YVR flight its possible to make another run after arriving around 8pm eastern.

Cheers

Its been reported on the YYC spotters pages that only 2/3 WS 763s are ETOPS certified. The only mission for the newest 763 is transcontinental until certification. Additionally Omni is back to help with the AB-Hawaii operations.

With the hammering WS is getting in the investor media about decrease to financial performance due to Alberta economic recession, it appears WS has made the wise move to re-allocate capacity away from YYC-YYZ.

In any event, the summer schedule does not appear to allow for a YYZ-YVR 763 rotation. I further predict the occasional 763 flight will appear, especially if the YVR-LGW flight has mechanical issue.

[Johnny Aussie]

And today's first Westjet 763 YYZ-YVR was cancelled! Mechanical??

A 73W was ferried in from YYC to cover WS 714 for the return YVR-YYZ.

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Speaking of YVR-YYZ in addition to AC and WS...

In the summer Sunwing operates a daily flight from YVR-YYZ and Air Transat does a couple of weekly 73H rotations as well.

[B767300ER]

Originally Posted by Cage

Any of the gates gates 14 to 22 can handle the 763. However the concourse B hammerhead has insufficient holdroom capacity to handle a widebody plus a full slate of 737 traffic. Back in the day, CP used to operate B763 flights to YYZ from what is now gates 19 and 23. The holdroom was jammed packed and the airplane held just over 200 pax. I only remember CP gating the 763 on concourse B, never the DC10 or 744.



Winter schedule AC runs about 12 flights per day including 6 widebodies. Summer schedule adds another 6 flights of which 2 are widebodies.

Winter schedule WS runs 6-8 flights per day with a mix 73G and 738. WS714 is the only widebody. Summer schedule and WS doubles the frequency on this route.



Its been reported on the YYC spotters pages that only 2/3 WS 763s are ETOPS certified. The only mission for the newest 763 is transcontinental until certification. Additionally Omni is back to help with the AB-Hawaii operations.

With the hammering WS is getting in the investor media about decrease to financial performance due to Alberta economic recession, it appears WS has made the wise move to re-allocate capacity away from YYC-YYZ.

In any event, the summer schedule does not appear to allow for a YYZ-YVR 763 rotation. I further predict the occasional 763 flight will appear, especially if the YVR-LGW flight has mechanical issue.

I'm pretty sure the YVR flight was planned for everyone on the ground to get some face time with the aircraft before LGW starts up in May.

Likely after LGW starts the only 763 YVR-YYZ would be to cycle the aircraft in for some type of check.

With the delayed deliveries from the MRO Omni has done really well, they'll selectively be around for a while. And just when you think there gone you may see their shadow on your way to .......

Peace

[B767300ER]

Flight cancellation not due to a mechanical issue, its possible it makes the run tomorrow but I doubt it. I'm sure YVR will see it this week at some point.

Peace

[Gordon]

Do the A\B connector gates have enough hold room capacity to handle a 763

[excel]

This was just discussed a couple posts above^

[casper]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Do the A\B connector gates have enough hold room capacity to handle a 763

After the AC/CP merger, Air Canada would regularly run a morning bank of aircraft heading back east. Ended up taking it many times. There would be an A320 heading to Ottawa, a 747 to Toronto and a flight to Montreal (767 or Airbus). All heading out around 8:00 am out of B gates. It was crowded but they managed. Certain WestJet can also manage.

They appear to have a lot of problems getting those 767 deployed reliably. Hopefully it is just staff learning the ins and outs of dispatching these aircraft reliably and it is not something more serious.

Toronto and Vancouver is a major route in Canada. Almost hourly flights by both major airlines. In addition to the fact a lot of travel between the two cities, Toronto is a major transfer point for the passengers connecting to eastern Canada or the US while Vancouver has connections in BC, the Pacific North West, California and Asia.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by B767300ER

Flight cancellation not due to a mechanical issue, its possible it makes the run tomorrow but I doubt it. I'm sure YVR will see it this week at some point.

Peace

Yup WS703/WS714 has been swapped for a 73W today (16th Feb) and is a few hours late now.

Any ideas what's going on?

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by casper

Toronto and Vancouver is a major route in Canada. Almost hourly flights by both major airlines.

It sure is and there are so many wide-bodies like 787 and 777 flying on that route. There must be quite a number of seats on that route on daily basis!

Possibly the only route in Canada where I don't mind missing a plane as next starts boarding briefly.

[LeftCoaster]

^up to 9 widebodies per day during the summer, including 3-4 777s per day.

Only problem with missing a flight is if you miss a widebody and get put on some crummy A320.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

^up to 9 widebodies per day during the summer, including 3-4 777s per day.

Only problem with missing a flight is if you miss a widebody and get put on some crummy A320.

Sometimes that crummy A320 you were supposed to be on goes tech, and they swap in one of those awesome big birds to accomodate 2 flights worth of people

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Sometimes that crummy A320 you were supposed to be on goes tech, and they swap in one of those awesome big birds to accomodate 2 flights worth of people

Ya and sometimes my widebody flight goes tech and they put me on an A320. Had that happen a few months ago, went from a B788 to an A321.

[LeftCoaster]

I've updated my big chart O' international flights. Based on a conversation I had in the Canada section I had the idea to add seats to the analysis, as well as a handy little summary table.

It's probably not perfectly accurate, as each airline has multiple configs of each hull, but it's as close as one can reasonably get.

Also I italicized the flights that are applied for but not yet confirmed.


http://imgur.com/ouihHCz

As you can see Star Alliance is most definitely the king of YVR, but Skyteam is no slouch either. Oneworld has some marquee flights and tails but not much depth after the big guys.

[SFUVancouver]

Fantastic! What a service you a providing to this community, LeftCoaster. Thank you!

[casper]

Originally Posted by Klazu

It sure is and there are so many wide-bodies like 787 and 777 flying on that route. There must be quite a number of seats on that route on daily basis!

Possibly the only route in Canada where I don't mind missing a plane as next starts boarding briefly.

The other region that falls into the same camp is the eastern triangle between Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Air Canada will fly pretty much everything they have on that route.

The LGA is similar but LGA is such a pain for other reasons.

I have never understood why but the YVR-YYC has similar attributes but I find the flights regularly over booked on that route.

[casper]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Fantastic! What a service you a providing to this community, LeftCoaster. Thank you!

I second that LeftCoaster does a great job of keeping up on all the changes.