NEW YORK | 80 South Street | 1,436 FT | 113 FLOORS

[sparkling]

Originally Posted by Hypothalamus

The two properties bought can both be demolished:

HHC also bought 85 South street last year (lot 27) and it was not part of the most recent deal. Let's see what happens with that site

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/10/27/howard-hughes-adds-to-seaport-fiefdom-with-85-south-buy/

[Hypothalamus]

Originally Posted by sparkling

HHC also bought 85 South street last year (lot 27) and it was not part of the most recent deal. Let's see what happens with that site

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/10/27/howard-hughes-adds-to-seaport-fiefdom-with-85-south-buy/

I don't think that building will join the assemblage, given it's within the LPC's territory.

[hunser]

Looks promising ...

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2016/02/10...aport_after_air_rights_transfer.php#more

Tall Tower May Be Coming to Seaport After Air Rights Transfer

The City Planning Commission has just approved the transfer of thousands of square feet of air rights from an adjacent lot to 80 South Street, a tipster has revealed to Curbed. Since the lots were acquired by the U.S. subsidiary of the Chinese investment company China Oceanwide Holdings in August 2015, 426,940 square feet of air rights have been transferred to the lot. Early rumors surrounding the site speculated that the developer was planning a supertall tower. While no plans have been filed with the Department of Buildings, it looks like at least something is up.

The transfer could lead to the construction of a building spanning 1,067,350 square feet, according to the documents submitted by 80 South Street LLC to the City Planning Commission.

China Oceanwide Holdings acquired the property at 80 South Street along with another site at 163 Front Street for $390 million in August last year from the Howard Hughes Corporation.

At that time plans for the site called for the construction of a 820,000 square foot tower with 440,000 square feet of residential space.

[chris08876]

Maybe its just a perspective issue , but is it just me or does this look like 432 Park height?

1 million square feet on this small site...

consider 432 Park is something like 400ksq ft.

[Busy Bee]

Looks pretty damn tall.. Woohoo

[NYguy]

It certainly looks in that range. Very large for residential/hotel and would probably have high ceiling heights. Could be the supertall that I want to balance with the WTC. I'm also glad Planning is still at work, putting the necessary approvals in place to make such towers possible, and not listening to the mindless crowd that wants to freeze development of tall towers above 600 ft.

[C.]

My guess is this one will be 70 floors. Topping 1000ft - maybe around 1,100. I'm slightly less optimistic, but I hope I'm wrong!

[scalziand]

It could be wider than 432 and still have over 100 floors.

And that massing diagram has 112 floors.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by CIA

My guess is this one will be 70 floors. Topping 1000ft - maybe around 1,100. I'm slightly less optimistic, but I hope I'm wrong!

If that massing is any accurate depiction of the real height, it's about ~1400' compared to the surrounding buildings.

[Prezrezc]

Use this to gauge for what it's worth at present:
The 1 Seaport Plaza placeholder in the blueprint is supposed to match the building's actual height of 436' even.

[C.]

Ok, let's do the math.

1,067,350 sqft development

Someone said lot 27 on Hypothalamus' parcel map has been purchased by the developer. That lot is approximately 7,537 sqft. I'll add this to the quoted site area of 14,701 sqft for a total of 22,238.

Let's assume the building's base will cover 90 percent of the lot size and will be 6 stories in height.

22,238 x 0.9 x 6 = 120,085 sqft in the building base.

The leaves 947,265 sqft for the tower. Let's assume the tower portion of the building will cover 70% of the lot.

22,238 x 0.7 = 15,567 sqft floorplate.
15,567 sqft / 947,265 sqft = 61 floors
61 tower floors + the 6 story base = 67 floors.

The image looks to have 10 floors or so for mechanical so let's say 77 floors total, give or take a few. A substantial building, but I would be doubtful to see this one above 85. Again, I hope I'm wrong but very thin buildings aren't economical and the elevator space counts towards the overall building density.

[gramsjdg]

I count over 100 floors based on that diagram and that does not include crown space or the double height of the first six floors... this is 1400+ ft easy

[NYguy]

I'm sure whatever office space is included with this development would be minimal, as it was with the original proposal. I do hope that SHoP is still involved with this tower, as it was one of their 4 supertalls planned around the city.

[antinimby]

If it's going to be around 1400, then they might as well go above 1550 and grab the tallest-to-the-roof-in-the-U.S. crown from Barnett.

[artspook]

Looks pretty damn tall.. Woohoo - Busy Bee

yeah Bee . . could be very fun . . love the impressive diagram height above . .
fear the cheap box-shape though . . I know - just a diagram . .
but then there's 432 . . It's fun . . it started with a squared-shape twiggy-thin diagram
. . then the anemic stingy 125 Greenwich shape . . just a diagram ? . .
then the upper half of the miserly CPT box . there was height at least . . yeah . .

but after seeing hypothalamus's Aug 7th post . .
of that sumptuous 88-story Wuhan Center . . on the previous page. .
so 21st century . . ya' know . . I mean 125 Greenwich vs Wuhan . .
NYC needs something that looks less dirt-cheap & brain-dead . .

well sorry - We're blessed to have Great new stuff . .
1 Vandy - 30 HY - Verre - 1 WTC - 111 W57 - 30 PP - 220 CPS - Gehry . .
But only Verre has rip-roaring full-quality modern oomph . .
unmitigated excellence . . being the most imaginatively "21st Century-lookin' ". .
how about towers with more of that caliber of quality & futuristic contour . .
those scary box shapes . . often we don't get much more than that here in NY . .

[aquablue]

Originally Posted by artspook

Looks pretty damn tall.. Woohoo - Busy Bee

yeah Bee . . could be very fun . . love the impressive diagram height above . .
fear the cheap box-shape though . . I know - just a diagram . .
but then there's 432 . . It's fun . . it started with a squared-shape twiggy-thin diagram
. . then the anemic stingy 125 Greenwich shape . . just a diagram ? . .
then the upper half of the miserly CPT box . there was height at least . . yeah . .

but after seeing hypothalamus's Aug 7th post . .
of that sumptuous 88-story Wuhan Center . . on the previous page. .
so 21st century . . ya' know . . I mean 125 Greenwich vs Wuhan . .
NYC needs something that looks less dirt-cheap & brain-dead . .

well sorry - We're blessed to have Great new stuff . .
1 Vandy - 30 HY - Verre - 1 WTC - 111 W57 - 30 PP - 220 CPS - Gehry . .
But only Verre has rip-roaring full-quality modern oomph . .
unmitigated excellence . . being the most imaginatively "21st Century-lookin' ". .
how about towers with more of that caliber of quality & futuristic contour . .
those scary box shapes . . often we don't get much more than that here in NY . .

LOL,whatya complaining about? IT's better than where I live. Anyway...NYC has alawys built boxy and will continue to build on the boxy side with a few exceptions here and there because the layout of the city dictates it. Developers are supposed to maximize their profits ya know, it's a dog eat dog world out ther! Design will always come second because fancy design doesn't really sell offices i don't think, costs do. I agreee though, China's lucky to get so many towers like that Wuhan building. They don't have the restrictions that NY builders have to deal with!

[aquablue]

Originally Posted by antinimby

If it's going to be around 1400, then they might as well go above 1550 and grab the tallest-to-the-roof-in-the-U.S. crown from Barnett.

and while they are at it. design something better than a typical barnett building.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by antinimby

If it's going to be around 1400, then they might as well go above 1550 and grab the tallest-to-the-roof-in-the-U.S. crown from Barnett.

And then add on that promised Nordstrom spire to top the Freedom Tower for tallest Downtown. Now that approvals are in place, we may begin hearing more concrete plans about what will go up. The angry NIMBY hordes can't stop progress. The short lived victory over the smaller Seaport tower won't taste as sweet.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

And then add on that promised Nordstrom spire to top the Freedom Tower for tallest Downtown. Now that approvals are in place, we may begin hearing more concrete plans about what will go up. The angry NIMBY hordes can't stop progress. The short lived victory over the smaller Seaport tower won't taste as sweet.

It is pretty hilarious that they were all up in arms for what might have been like the 50th tallest building in lower Manhattan and yet can't do sh*t about one that could be over 1000 feet taller

[Crawford]

With over a million square feet of space, and a relatively small footprint. I hope this can top Central Park Tower. It's got a chance.