YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Many thanks!

There will still be 77Ws, 77Ls and 788s on YVR-YYZ so don't fret!

Embraers are being withdrawn too so that's the main reason for fewer of those around.

And don't forget only 50% of traffic at YVR is domestic so not the lions share 😃

[Johnny Aussie]

This is a summary of international services changes from summer 2015 to summer 2016. Reflects new services, upgauges in equipment and/or changes in frequencies (I've put BA to LHR in the "losses" section due to the reduction in seats only. Clearly gaining a daily 788 is also a huge "gain" though!):

GAINS
AEROMEXICO
MEX – **new** daily 73W
AIR CANADA
BNE – **new** daily 788
LHR – additional daily 789
PVG – upgauged from daily 788 to daily 77W
SYD – capacity increase due to increase in seats on the reconfigured 77L
AIR CANADA ROUGE
DUB – **new** three weekly 763
KIX – one additional weekly flight on 763 – now six weekly
PVR – new weekly 763
AIR TRANSAT
LGW – additional weekly 333 – now a daily service
FCO – **new** weekly 333
PVR – to be operated by TS 738 instead of Enerjet 73W
CUN – to be operated by TS 738 instead of Enerjet 73W
ALL NIPPON
HND – upgauge from daily 788 to 789
CHINA AIRLINES
TPE – upgauged from daily 343 to 744
CHINA SOUTHERN
CAN – upgauge from daily 788 to 77W
CONDOR
FRA – additional weekly 76W – now a five weekly service
KLM
AMS – upgauge from daily 333 to 772
KOREAN AIR
ICN – upgauge from daily 744 to 748
LUFTHANSA
MUC – upgauge from 333 to 346 on three of the seven weekly flights
QANTAS
SYD – three weekly 744 operating for a longer period Summer 2016
WESTJET
LGW – **new** six weekly 76W
XIAMENAIR
XMN – **new** three weekly 788

LOSSES
AC to SJD – one weekly 319 discontinued for the summer (becomes winter seasonal only)
BA to LHR – daily 388 down from 12 weekly 744
PR to MNL – down to daily 77W from 11 weekly mix of 77W and 343
WG to CUN – down to once weekly from twice weekly 738

[connect2source]

Thanks for this Johnny!

Totally excited about YVR's first scheduled A380!! To me a daily A380 vs 12 weekly 744's is hardly a loss .. I'll totally forego my Aeroplan points on AC for a chance to ride BA's A380 on my trip to LHR later this year.

[Johnny Aussie]

Well we all know AS is dumping YVR - LAX.... so we thought mainline was going bye bye right?

Well Alaska has just updated their summer schedules and the YVR-SEA route will be seeing one daily mainline 734... So we can see the new livery after all.

In addition, the first flight to SEA is being replaced by a CR7.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Thanks for this Johnny!

Totally excited about YVR's first scheduled A380!! To me a daily A380 vs 12 weekly 744's is hardly a loss .. I'll totally forego my Aeroplan points on AC for a chance to ride BA's A380 on my trip to LHR later this year.

Yeah agreed it's pretty good to see and the Korean 748 as well.

2016 is gonna be a ripper.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yeah agreed it's pretty good to see and the Korean 748 as well.

2016 is gonna be a ripper.

Will we see any additions to that which you have already stated, do you think? (hope so) Thanks, Johnny.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Will we see any additions to that which you have already stated, do you think? (hope so) Thanks, Johnny.

Other than the other Chinese carriers we have been talking about? Don't really know.

This is a pretty significant amount of new capacity being spread out over Europe, Asia and Australia so I wouldn't expect too much more. In fact this is probably one of the most overall increases YVR has seen in a long time.

It's also starting to creep into the later side for new services to be announced for a summer launch.

[trofirhen]

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[SFUVancouver]

Thanks for the awesome update, Johnny Aussie!

[zahav]

Thanks Johnny, I was just coming to post about the Alaska Airlines update, I saw it today too. Really good news, keeping the mainline carrier (even if it is just for summer!). And will be a first time (in recent memory, at least?) for the CRA too, will be nice to see!

[ShawnShank]

Looks like the CZ 77W is staying for the winter as well

http://airlineroute.net/2016/02/10/cz-w16update1/

[LeftCoaster]

Ya I saw that, another big vote of confidence. Hopefully next step is double daily on smaller metal or 10x PW on the 77W

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And don't forget only 50% of traffic at YVR is domestic so not the lions share ������

Well it's still 51% to the next largest, Transborder, which is 25%.

Kinda interesting how well the pieces portion out actually.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yeah agreed it's pretty good to see and the Korean 748 as well.

2016 is gonna be a ripper.

Given the big capacity increases what kind of growth could we be looking at? Provided loads are high and most of the new seats are absorbed, could we be looking at growth at or above the magnitude of 2014 (7.5%)? It seems as though the capacity increases are similar in size to the 2015 on the intl' front which saw big growth, but now are being extended to the domestic front (at least AC) which was the main source of drag for 2015 growth.

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Well we all know AS is dumping YVR - LAX.... so we thought mainline was going bye bye right?

Well Alaska has just updated their summer schedules and the YVR-SEA route will be seeing one daily mainline 734... So we can see the new livery after all.

In addition, the first flight to SEA is being replaced by a CR7.

Odd that the 737 is a midday flight. Would have thought it would have been a RON as overnight parking is at a premium at SeaTac during the summer and Alaska needs places to stick their planes. Oh well, good for the spotters as we can photo an Alaska tail without having to go down south. Though I doubt we will see the new livery as Alaska is phasing out the 400's.

http://www.adn.com/article/20151222/alaska-airlines-will-phase-out-combi-planes

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

Odd that the 737 is a midday flight. Would have thought it would have been a RON as overnight parking is at a premium at SeaTac during the summer and Alaska needs places to stick their planes. Oh well, good for the spotters as we can photo an Alaska tail without having to go down south. Though I doubt we will see the new livery as Alaska is phasing out the 400's.

http://www.adn.com/article/20151222/alaska-airlines-will-phase-out-combi-planes

Yeah too bad about that and the new livery. I didn't realise AS were dumping their 734s although I suppose they are getting pretty old.

As for YVR-SEA, Delta has just updated their schedules again. Now all six daily YVR-SEA flights will be on E75s this summer.

[Klazu]

Just about to board AC7 to HKG.

The new security check line at D gates is very clever. I didn't notice it being in place in December, but now up to five people can stand side-by-side putting their stuff on trays that are then pushed on fully-automated conveyor belt. Very efficient and clever!

Also nice to see them having added bottle refill stations. That took them some time vs. many US airports.

[twoNeurons]

Wife will be checking out Rouge's offerings on a YVR-KIX later this year. The direct flight is nice, and the price is decent for summer ( $ 868 all in ) but I don't think in any way shape or form comparable to ANA's 787 product through HND ( and still under $1000 )

[Spork]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Just about to board AC7 to HKG.

The new security check line at D gates is very clever. I didn't notice it being in place in December, but now up to five people can stand side-by-side putting their stuff on trays that are then pushed on fully-automated conveyor belt. Very efficient and clever!

Also nice to see them having added bottle refill stations. That took them some time vs. many US airports.

Do they have the auto-returning trays that go underneath the surface conveyor and rise up through the bottom? That's my second favourite feature of European airports aside from the automated checked baggage machinery at AMS and LHR.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Wife will be checking out Rouge's offerings on a YVR-KIX later this year. The direct flight is nice, and the price is decent for summer ( $ 868 all in ) but I don't think in any way shape or form comparable to ANA's 787 product through HND ( and still under $1000 )

I will be trying the Rouge product to KIX this summer as well. I'm on a quasi-mission to try all the products crossing the pacific from YVR (Will be quite an endeavour).

I just posted my video trip report on YT aboard the ANA 787 to HND. Not sure if this forum allows hotlinking so i'll just leave everyone search for it. Can't be too hard

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

I will be trying the Rouge product to KIX this summer as well. I'm on a quasi-mission to try all the products crossing the pacific from YVR (Will be quite an endeavour).

I just posted my video trip report on YT aboard the ANA 787 to HND. Not sure if this forum allows hotlinking so i'll just leave everyone search for it. Can't be too hard

Links to YT are no problem... in fact, you can even embed the video like so:

[youtube]Dipw71QXjjg[/youtube]

• Video Link

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Spork

Do they have the auto-returning trays that go underneath the surface conveyor and rise up through the bottom? That's my second favourite feature of European airports aside from the automated checked baggage machinery at AMS and LHR.

Yep, exactly like that, but I have never seen such queuing system before. Like said, it was very clever and efficient.

I just arrived in HKG and have to say that Air Canada's 77W HD configuration wasn't that bad on a 13.5 hour flight. I mean, it wasn't great, but it didn't kill me. Not worth paying 120 CAD extra for a seat on exit row, no way.