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Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 1:19 AM
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Metrolinx evaluating 50 potential new GO station locations
(Toronto Star, Tess Kalinowski, Sept 22 2015)

Metrolinx is evaluating 50 potential sites for new GO stations, including those identified in Toronto Mayor John Tory’s SmartTrack plan, in an effort to grow ridership and provide GO customers with more choices.

It’s not yet clear how many more stations the provincial agency will add as it expands GO with a regional express rail program that will see electric trains running, in some cases, at 15-minute frequencies.

“It’s going to be less than 50 but I can’t really say what the number will be,” said the provincial agency’s CEO Bruce McCuaig on Tuesday.

Also unknown is when the stations selected from among the 50 will be built. None of the sites being researched has environmental approvals or a budget.

Once design and planning are complete, it takes about three years on average to build a GO station.

The locations on all seven GO lines vary from the booming Liberty Village neighbourhood in Toronto to Innisfil on the Barrie line.

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I have to wonder if they may be overestimating the amount of commuting people will be doing in the future. More and more companies are offering the ability to telecommute - and it appears it's a trend that's gaining exponentially.

Anecdotally, I'm only in the office once a month now... and most of the people in my office telecommute at least 3 days a week. I know plenty of people in other firms who have the same ability. It feels like they're about 20 years too late with these plans.
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Metrolinx evaluating 50 potential new GO station locations
(Toronto Star, Tess Kalinowski, Sept 22 2015)

Metrolinx is evaluating 50 potential sites for new GO stations, including those identified in Toronto Mayor John Tory’s SmartTrack plan, in an effort to grow ridership and provide GO customers with more choices.

It’s not yet clear how many more stations the provincial agency will add as it expands GO with a regional express rail program that will see electric trains running, in some cases, at 15-minute frequencies.

“It’s going to be less than 50 but I can’t really say what the number will be,” said the provincial agency’s CEO Bruce McCuaig on Tuesday.

Also unknown is when the stations selected from among the 50 will be built. None of the sites being researched has environmental approvals or a budget.

Once design and planning are complete, it takes about three years on average to build a GO station.

The locations on all seven GO lines vary from the booming Liberty Village neighbourhood in Toronto to Innisfil on the Barrie line.

Read it in full here.
Further to this, additional Hamilton stops being considered for the LSW line were as follows:
  • Ottawa Street
  • Chapel/Gage/Tim Hortons Field
  • Queen Street South
  • Dundurn South/Cathedral Park
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/me...tions-for-go-transit-expansion-1.3240645


Apparently, these stops didn't make the short list, which is on page 12 of the Sept 22 Metrolinx report

http://www.metrolinx.com/en/docs/pdf/boa...922_BoardMtg_New_Station_Analysis_EN.pdf
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Further to this, additional Hamilton stops being considered for the LSW line were as follows:
  • Ottawa Street
  • Chapel/Gage/Tim Hortons Field
  • Queen Street South
  • Dundurn South/Cathedral Park
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/me...tions-for-go-transit-expansion-1.3240645


Apparently, these stops didn't make the short list, which is on page 12 of the Sept 22 Metrolinx report

http://www.metrolinx.com/en/docs/pdf/boa...922_BoardMtg_New_Station_Analysis_EN.pdf
Ottawa or Gage seems like a logical choice
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I have to wonder if they may be overestimating the amount of commuting people will be doing in the future. More and more companies are offering the ability to telecommute - and it appears it's a trend that's gaining exponentially.

Anecdotally, I'm only in the office once a month now... and most of the people in my office telecommute at least 3 days a week. I know plenty of people in other firms who have the same ability. It feels like they're about 20 years too late with these plans.
Maybe in your world, but not all (and likely most) businesses are able to offer this type of work environment. If you drive any of the highways and main arteries in southern Ontario on any weekday, you would see the amount of cars and congestion on the roads. And the population is only going up. It's a prudent plan.
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The goal of electrified all day service isn't to improve commuting it's to make transit viable for all around travel between GTA cities. GO already works very well for moving people in and out of Toronto at peak hours. It's reverse commuting and traveling outside of rush hour that makes cars necessary the way things are now.
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Ottawa or Gage seems like a logical choice
So would Cathedral Park/Dundurn. It would have an LRT connection, space nearby for redevelopment, and offer access to MIP and Westdale.
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Maybe in your world, but not all (and likely most) businesses are able to offer this type of work environment.
And I generally agree... and I used to think it was a rare thing, but I'm hearing so many companies getting on board with it in the last couple years with more to follow. Companies with offices in Toronto really like the idea of reducing their office space - it saves them a bundle. And whatever office space they have, they're moving towards the "workplace of the future" where hoteling is taking over specifically assigned desks. This is all due to telecommuting.

It's definitely a fast growing trend for companies that has the ability to do it.

I wonder what type of ridership there'll be during rush hours in say 20 years. Will the growth in usage during off-peak hours offset the decline in commuting (assuming there is a decline)?
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It's that time of year again. GO Fares are set to jump Feb 1, 2016.

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THAT effective February 1, 2016, GO Transit base adult single fares be increased as follows:
a. 0 cent increase on fares between $5.30 - $5.69
b. 40 cent increase on fares between $5.70 - $6.50
c. 50 cent increase on fares between $6.51 - $8.25
d. 60 cent increase on fares greater than $8.25.

AND THAT in conjunction with the base fare increases, the discount for GO Transit PRESTO card fares (adult) be increased as outlined below:
a. Rides 1 to 35 in the same month: discount increased from 10.0% to 11.15%
b. Rides 36 to 40 in the same month: discount unchanged at 87.75%
c. Rides 41+ in the same month: discount unchanged at 100%
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46 parking spaces available Monday at West Harbour GO Station

AM900 CHML | Hamilton News | Ken Mann | January 22, 2016 01:52 pm

The first spaces open on Monday in the new parking structure at the West Harbour GO Station.

46 spaces will be available for now, building up to a full complement of more than 300 spaces this summer, as GO works to build ridership from the James Street North location.

Hamilton-area M-P-P and Liberal Cabinet Minister Ted McMeekin notes that attention will then shift to construction of a new station at Centennial Parkway, which is scheduled to open in 2019.

The first trains pulled out to the West Harbour Go Station last July.

http://www.900chml.com/2016/01/22/59141/
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Cool. Hopefully the construction at the James Street side will wrap up soon. Walkability is still a bit of a disaster through there but it looks like they're finishing up.
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Three and a half years after Union Pearson Coalition called for more stops and sane fares, Metrolinx and the MTO are starting to reevaluate their resistance to those proposals — though it has taken abysmal ridership levels and the attendant cash bleed and political liability yo make it so.


Metrolinx reconsidering Union Pearson Express fares as ridership sinks
(Toronto Star, Tess Kalinowski, Feb 5 2016)

Toronto’s new airport train is struggling to attract riders amid continuing criticism that the $456 million Union Pearson Express is simply too expensive.

On Friday, Metrolinx, the provincial agency that runs the train, said it will consider price adjustments among other options for building ridership.

The standard one-way adult fare on UPX is $27.50 but riders paying with a Presto card can board for $19.

Six months after it launched, Union Pearson Express (UPX) ridership levels were down significantly from the summer, hitting a low of 65,593 riders in November, 13,000 fewer passengers than the October high of 79,000.

…Councillor Josh Matlow, who prompted the city to call on Metrolinx to lower UPX fares, said the business model has never made sense and it’s time Metrolinx took another look at the fares.

While he applauded some changes introduced in Jan., including a policy that allows children 12 and under to ride free, it won’t be enough to attract the 5,000 riders a day UPX is targeting,” he said.

“It still doesn’t make it economical for the average family. If it’s an adult couple it actually costs virtually the same price to take a cab from the comfort of your own home.

“If not a regular public transit fare, at least a fare that is far more accessible to the average Toronto resident,” he said.

“To invest half a billion dollars into a boutique train for business travellers when the average Toronto resident has been waiting decades for public rapid transit access to our airport is shameful,” said Matlow.

Earlier this year UPX numbers showed it was attracting only about half its targeted ridership.



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Finally, signs that UPX pricing may get another look
(Toronto Star, Edward Keenan Columnist, Feb 08 2016)

Well, it’s about time.

The premier of Ontario said Monday that Metrolinx “has to look at” the possibility of pricing the Union-Pearson Express (UPX) train to serve local commuters. This comes after the provincial agency that built and runs the train reported Friday that ridership has actually dropped in the months since its September peak. That peak was, itself, so dispiritingly low that I wrote then that Metrolinx should open the service up to lowly commuters while it was waiting for the business travellers it so desires to return its affections.

It’s nice to see that, after another two months in which it averaged fewer passengers than the Burnhamthorpe bus, the idea is finally getting some high-profile play.

(Just think: somehow the Burnhamthorpe bus manages to attract all those passengers without even having its own website and custom-produced magazine and uniformed attendants. It has but one thing to recommend it: the cash fare is $3.25, and the bus driver will give you a transfer to get you on the subway for free, too.)

Now, as I’ve made clear before, I’m not exactly an impartial observer here. I am one of those who live and work near enough to UPX stops that using it to commute could actually save me more than a half an hour a day. So perhaps seeing those trains run past my house every 15 minutes has given me more frequent occasion than most people have to shake my fist at the fact they are 90 per cent empty.

From the outset, I had a bit of a philosophical objection to the thought that —with all the much-discussed transit and traffic problems Toronto faces — we spent $456 million in public money on a line explicitly intended for the near-exclusive use of business travellers, rather than for regular Torontonians. Now, if the thing was bringing in sweet business traveller cash by the trainload, enough to pay for itself and subsidize other transit for the hoi polloi, then those philosophical reservations would be overwhelmed by practical use. But instead, we continue to subsidize the comfortable (if lonely) ride of these business people.

The plan, frustratingly, always called for us to do so until the service could attract enough riders to break even (sometime perhaps in 2020, it was thought). But it seems attracting riders is a bigger trick than the plan called for.



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Overweening vanity = bad transit policy. The UPX faceplant will likely increase Metrolinx's caution in the coming years.

How Toronto got a ‘world-class,’ gold-plated, half-billion-dollar empty train
(The Globe and Mail, Feb 10 2016)

Toronto’s high-end airport express train is a failure. A city that urgently needs better transit has been saddled with a deluxe boutique rail service that cost $456-million to build and runs nearly empty, 19 1/2 hours a day.

The Union-Pearson Express (UPX) takes just 25 minutes to make the trip between Toronto’s Pearson Airport and the Union Station transportation hub at the heart of the downtown. That’s where the good news ends.

This publicly funded line was inexplicably designed as a premium service for business travellers, with a one-way fare of $27.50. That makes it a pointless option for the average commuter. But just to emphasize that point, UPX incorporates only two inconvenient stops along its route.

…Trains are running at under 10 per cent capacity and carrying about 2,200 riders a day, and falling – aggravating the frustrations of ordinary Torontonians who badly want and need transit to and from downtown, but whose tax dollars were arbitrarily redirected to this white elephant on wheels.

UPX never made sense as a business model. A product of political imperatives, it was powered by political choices, not a careful analysis of where the greatest number of underserved commuters are, and what would be the most cost-effective way of serving them…

Governments find it almost impossible to admit mistakes – Metrolinx is stubbornly pinning the blame on poor signage and low public awareness – but UPX is a case where it is imperative to acknowledge failure and shift to Plan B. A restaurant as empty as UPX would have closed long ago, or shifted from artisanal foie gras to burgers, instead of blaming the patrons who never showed up.”
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^ It's all about the cost to ride it.

The price might be fine for just 1 person as it may even be cheaper than a cab - but as soon as it's a couple or a family - a cab becomes cheaper and will drop you off exactly where you want to go (as opposed to just Union Station).
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^ It's all about the cost to ride it.

The price might be fine for just 1 person as it may even be cheaper than a cab - but as soon as it's a couple or a family - a cab becomes cheaper and will drop you off exactly where you want to go (as opposed to just Union Station).
Interestingly, a family of five - 2 adults plus 3 children - can travel UPX from Union to Pearson one-way for $55, in 25 minutes. I wonder what the cab fare and drive-time would be, starting from Union?
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So I live in Ancaster. Drive to the Aldershot Go Station. Take the GO to Union Station. UPX to Pearson. Then return. 2 adults + 3 children + $ 191.70 return.
Airway transit from my door and back again $320.
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How long has the Union Pearson Express been running again? How long should it run before it's declared a success or failure?

Of course the fares are too high, as evidenced by the ridership. Eventually, Metrolinx is going to lower them to get itself closer to equilibrium with demand. Extra stops may have been called for, but I'm not so sure- it was an embarrassment that Toronto did not have a rail link with its airport. Now it does, in a very respectable time (less than half an hour, better than a lot of other world capitals). To be frank, it's worth subsidizing that, and if people who work at the airport prefer using the TTC to same money but spend some extra time, I don't think that should be too surprising.
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So I live in Ancaster. Drive to the Aldershot Go Station. Take the GO to Union Station. UPX to Pearson. Then return. 2 adults + 3 children + $ 191.70 return.
Airway transit from my door and back again $320.
So UPX, first and foremost intended for business travelers, is not a bad deal for families. The flat rate for a taxi from Toronto's core is approximately $50 + a gratuity, one-way.

The group pass for the GO bus from Hamilton to Pearson is $48.60, one-way. Five people maximum, at least 1 of whom must be 18 or older. The members of the group can be unrelated. Good deal!
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