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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 2:34 AM
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A lot of cultural events have bailed out of LAC in the last few years. There has been a change in management of the building, which has made it much less friendly to community events. Rental costs have increased dramatically. Priority has been given to government meetings.

It is important that any shared building serve the public first.
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Seeing as we are considering library partnerships, I will bring up the possibility of a City/uOttawa partnership.(or a city/uOttawa/national library partnership)

Where could it be located? On land already owned by the university, just across the street from Arts Court, creating a nice synergy between the two.

I am suggesting the new buildings labelled #1 plus the yellow building to the right of #1. (1 Stewart Street**)That building is pretty decrepit and not worth much. Arts Court is identified as #4 in The Campus Master Plan rendering.



** The university also owns these adjacent properties on Stewart Street. Number to the left is the uOttawa building code--To the right is when these properties were built.
262 Stewart 15-17 (student residence) 1930
263 Stewart 19-21 (student residence) 1930
267 Stewart 25 (Closed) 1930
241 Stewart 30-32 1920
242 Stewart 34-36 1918
243 Stewart 38 1900
244 Stewart 40

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I don't mind the idea of building on the existing LAC site, maybe behind it, putting some weight and critical mass to that end of Wellington Street. It would be nice to have one building goes down to the river level and connect public access to the waterfront (a nice cafeteria, maybe?). It's only a couple of blocks away from the future Lyon Station.

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I'm not a fan of the existing LAC site. What would it anchor? An institutional zone that isn't convenient or interesting to locals. Where are the complimentary uses, without which trip chains including a library visit are unlikely to form? Yes, the river's beautiful in the summer, but in the winter, how much would the utility of a library at that location plummet for non-nearby residents when it's two blocks deep away from the LRT in a dead area?

Adjacency to LRT is worth its weight in gold if we are to ensure this library becomes highly used and a real civic (dare I say national) symbol.
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I don't mind the idea of building on the existing LAC site, maybe behind it, putting some weight and critical mass to that end of Wellington Street. It would be nice to have one building goes down to the river level and connect public access to the waterfront (a nice cafeteria, maybe?). It's only a couple of blocks away from the future Lyon Station.

This would almost certainly violate the NCC's foreground view planes surrounding the Parliament buildings, specifically those from control point 16 and LB/B (see section 5.9 on p.111).

Refer to this document for more than you ever wanted to know about Ottawa's sight lines and view planes, including why almost every building downtown is the same height.

http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/default/files/pubs/NCC-Canadas-Capital-Views-Protection-2007.pdf
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It's about time the city acquired another iconic building.
I, for one, would be happy if Ottawa, or any other city, never ever acquired another "iconic" building, as too many of these "icons" are utter street-killing, life-killing, soul-sucking, faddish st/architecture that in addition to their other faults, do not stand the test of time.

I'd prefer buildings to be practical, traditional, life-giving, and elegant. If they end up somehow, accidentally, being "iconic" as well, then yay, I guess.
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Interesting... although the scope of this project is quite a bit different than Halifax's project. Ottawa's a larger library system, with a larger catchment population for a central branch. Add in the proposed partnership with LAC, and the process here would necessarily be very different from Halifax's experience.

Still good to see that the conversation's going on.
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[B]Don't move Ottawa central library out of downtown core, union says

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A look at what the city considers the central area of Ottawa in determining the location of the central branch of the public library. (City of Ottawa)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/don...ut-of-downtown-core-union-says-1.3105778
That looks about right. Going by historical build-up of the city and traffic routes, the map accurately represents the central part of Ottawa. It is a small area, geographically. One can contain the central part of Ottawa by the functioning bridges in the core and then move out from there.

Positioning the library to the west makes sense arterialy.
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I would suggest that the City explore sharing the Library and Archives Building on Wellington with the federal government. The LAC building is emptying out and aside from the reading spaces, it is understood that by 2020 or so it will have all its functions and collections off site, mostly in Gatineau. Given that the LAC is central, this could be a great way to reuse the LAC with all its existing facilities and perhaps to add more. Morover, the LAC could retain its reading rooms within the building so that the public don't have to go into deepest Gatineau to do their research etc.
Combining the National Archives with The Public Library is a good idea. I don't like the archives building from an architectural standpoint. And for that matter, the existing library is a cement blight - as is much of downtown Ottawa. It is ugly as sin.

Judging, by what is being built now, a sad case if ever there was one, the best option is using what is there already and thinking fiscal responsibility. The worst case scenario for Ottawa is a new monstrosity being constructed and that is probably what will happen. We have enough of those going up.
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Combining the National Archives with The Public Library is a good idea.
I'm not entirely sure that it is. They are very different institutions with very different mandates. The NLC-NAC merger is still ironing out institutional wrinkles more than a decade after LAC was formed.

I am open to being convinced, but I am not yet.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2016, 11:31 PM
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Library at LeBreton could come down to timing

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: January 27, 2016 | Last Updated: January 27, 2016 5:37 PM EST


The ambitious redevelopment proposals for LeBreton Flats unveiled Tuesday both include space for a new central library, but whether that ever becomes a reality could come down to timing.

The city’s public library board has not chosen a site, set a budget or named an architect yet, but it has been diligently working away on a plan to replace its aging Metcalfe Street main branch. Library officials have been planning to release a request for qualifications in April or May, followed by a request for proposals late this fall, but those timelines might shift now that a potential partnership with Libraries and Archives Canada is under consideration.

A contract is to be awarded in 2017, with construction slated to begin later that year or early 2018. If all goes well, doors would open in 2020.

The LeBreton proposals — which are being overseen by the National Capital Commission — are to be evaluated over the coming weeks, with a recommendation to the NCC’s board of directors expected in March. Negotiations with the preferred proponent would take place over the summer and fall. If successful, the chosen plan will go to cabinet for a decision late this year, with a public announcement in early 2017.

Both proponents say they want to begin construction as soon as they can, but plan to complete the project in phases. And that’s where the issue of timing comes into play.

“My over-riding concern is to make sure we’re able to get shovels in the ground for (the new central library) sooner than later and we have to be assured that whatever proposal is chosen is not going to be mired in years and years of studies,” Mayor Jim Watson said Wednesday.

“At the end of the day we have to do what’s in the best interests of the library and the City of Ottawa, and it’s that means going separately, that’s one option but we’re open to discussions with the two proponents now that they’re out in the public,” he said.

Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney, who chairs the Ottawa Public Library board, said he was pleased both proposals included space for a central library. But like Watson, he noted the city is following its own timeline, including discussions with Library and Archives Canada and public consultation.

“There’s a lot of balls in the air right now,” Tierney said. “We’ve got to be really cautious and stick to our timelines.”

The Sens-backed IllumiNation plan sees the library placed adjacent to the NCC’s LeBreton Flats property, on the northeast corner of Albert and Booth streets, while the Devcore-led bid envisions it at the same intersection, but on the northwest corner. Both are a stone’s throw from the future Pimisi LRT station.

LeBreton Flats is located within the area approved by the library board for a new central branch, but some have suggested it belongs in the downtown core.

Seven city-owned sites, including 557 Wellington St., just east of the new Pimisi LRT station, have previously been identified as possibilities. That site is only a few blocks from Library and Archives Canada on Wellington Street.

Bookmark the Core’s Emilie Taman said Wednesday it was exciting to see both proposals include a library, but the citizen’s group remains focused on the “centrality of location.”

“In our view, LeBreton doesn’t fit that particular criteria,” she said.

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Published on: January 27, 2016 | Last Updated: January 27, 2016 5:37 PM EST

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LeBreton Flats is located within the area approved by the library board for a new central branch, but some have suggested it belongs in the downtown core.

Seven city-owned sites, including 557 Wellington St., just east of the new Pimisi LRT station, have previously been identified as possibilities. That site is only a few blocks from Library and Archives Canada on Wellington Street.

Bookmark the Core’s Emilie Taman said Wednesday it was exciting to see both proposals include a library, but the citizen’s group remains focused on the “centrality of location.”

“In our view, LeBreton doesn’t fit that particular criteria,” she said.

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Bookmark the Core's premise is that the current catchment of the central branch--based on 1970s realities-- is transferrable to a growing 21st century city core. The catchment of the LeBreton location(s) would be more realistic for a growing city with a gradually growing core. Or maybe they could tear down some of the public housing and rooming houses along Cooper Street and build it there?
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If ducks can align in a row, the coincidence of Liberal governments, desire for new Central and National libraries, and the Lebreton redevelopment, may make it possible to get a Portrait Gallery incorporated into a new combined Library of Canada and Ottawa Central Library on the Flats, since the collection is owned by Library and Archives Canada.

For those who don't understand why such a gallery should exist, the simplest and most basic rationale is this: we, Canadians, own an impressive collection that we pay dearly to acquire, catalogue and preserve, and it should be displayed, rather than warehoused.
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Bookmark the Core's premise is that the current catchment of the central branch--based on 1970s realities-- is transferrable to a growing 21st century city core. The catchment of the LeBreton location(s) would be more realistic for a growing city with a gradually growing core. Or maybe they could tear down some of the public housing and rooming houses along Cooper Street and build it there?
Exactly what I was thinking. We were a small city with a very small downtown core. We are growing and what is our downtown core should grow as well. Make LeBreton part of the expanded downtown core.

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If ducks can align in a row, the coincidence of Liberal governments, desire for new Central and National libraries, and the Lebreton redevelopment, may make it possible to get a Portrait Gallery incorporated into a new combined Library of Canada and Ottawa Central Library on the Flats, since the collection is owned by Library and Archives Canada.
Good thinking there-get our ducks in a row and kill three birds with one stone.** Hopefully , with more efficiency and less cost than doing all three projects separately, and end up with a magnificent facility.

** do not take me literally and stone any real ducks. I kind of like the fluffy creatues.

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If ducks can align in a row, the coincidence of Liberal governments, desire for new Central and National libraries, and the Lebreton redevelopment, may make it possible to get a Portrait Gallery incorporated into a new combined Library of Canada and Ottawa Central Library on the Flats, since the collection is owned by Library and Archives Canada.
I agree that a National Portrait Gallery would be great. But I wonder whether your proposal would be akin to placing too many hats on one head. (I still favour the original US Embassy location opposite Parliament for this use)
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i agree that a national portrait gallery would be great. But i wonder whether your proposal would be akin to placing too many hats on one head. (i still favour the original us embassy location opposite parliament for this use)
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Groups suggested nine sites for a new library in confidential exchanges

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 4, 2016 | Last Updated: February 4, 2016 5:02 PM EST


Groups curious about Ottawa’s main library relocation suggested nine sites in confidential exchanges with library staff.

The exact locations, however, aren’t mentioned in a report published Thursday ahead of Tuesday’s library board meeting.

The library only tells trustees that five of the suggested sites are west of Bronson Avenue, two are between Bronson Avenue and Elgin Street and two are east of the Rideau Canal.

“The perception of respondents was that the Ottawa’s future downtown is shifting west of Bronson Ave.,” the report says.

Interest is growing to build a library at LeBreton Flats, especially since the two finalists in the National Capital Commission’s design competition have plotted a main library in their blueprints.

The main library and the LeBreton Flats projects are separate, but it’s inevitable the two initiatives will one day intersect.

Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney, chairman of the library board, said he has been reminding colleagues to wait for the library’s own tendering program to roll out before focusing on potential locations.

“There is a process and I keep reminding certain councillors that we have to follow the process,” Tierney said, noting the library isn’t beholden to the NCC’s development timeline for LeBreton Flats.

Tierney said the library’s immediate priority is working with Library and Archives Canada on the potential for combining a new municipal library with a federal project. Library and Archives was one of the 15 respondents to a request for expressions of interest published by the Ottawa Public Library last year.

Twelve groups — eight developers, two general contractors, an architectural firm and a project management firm — requested confidential meetings.

Library staff asked all respondents what they thought of 557 Wellington St., which is a city-owned property used as an example site during the tendering process. The property, just west of Bronson Avenue, could either be developed for a library or sold to fund a library somewhere else.

According to the report, most respondents like the potential of 557 Wellington St. for a mixed-use development with a library, but they don’t care to buy the property if it’s not used for a library.

Based on information they gathered from respondents, library staff concluded a new central library near the Pimisi LRT station on LeBreton Flats would be a good location.

Kanata North Coun. Marianne Wilkinson, a library board trustee, said that although momentum seems to be building toward locating a library at LeBreton Flats, she wants to see a strong analysis to support the best site.

Library staff are developing site evaluation criteria for the board to approve in March.

The library anticipates more public consultation in the spring.

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McKenney says core still needs a library if central facility relocates

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 9, 2016 | Last Updated: February 9, 2016 9:37 PM EST


Downtown Ottawa should have a library branch even if the central library moves out of the city’s core, the ward councillor says.

“I think in the city every child should be able to walk to a library branch,” Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney said Tuesday. “There are quite a lot of people who live in the downtown.”

The Ottawa Public Library is looking for a new location for a central library, possibly as a joint project with Library and Archives Canada. The two organizations are in talks to see if a super library makes sense.

McKenney, who’s a library trustee, is keen on keeping the main library as central as possible. She’s apprehensive about pushing the facility west of Bronson Avenue because the current library at Laurier Avenue and Metcalfe Street serves a diverse demographic.

The LeBreton Flats design competition has generated more interest in building a new library on the federal land west of downtown. Both finalists in the competition propose building a city library at Albert and Booth streets, near the future Pimisi LRT station. The OPL central library process is separate from the LeBreton Flats competition.

McKenney said she’s still concerned the public isn’t being consulted enough on the central library and the criteria used to locate a new facility. She wants an analysis done on how many people would live near a downtown library and one located, for example, at LeBreton Flats. Residents should have easy access to a library branch, she said, using the Golden Triangle between Elgin Street and the Rideau Canal as an example of a neighbourhood that would lose out if the main library is relocated west of the core.

It’s difficult to say how the library board would view the prospect of adding another branch to the central area, on top of a new main library, especially as online library services grow in popularity. It’s part of a larger debate on the requirements of a modern library and the future of “books and mortar” facilities.

McKenney said she hasn’t given more thought to what a smaller downtown branch would look like since the focus is on the central library project.

Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney, chair of the library board, said it would be up to trustees to decide if library services should be in the core of the city if the central facility relocates outside downtown.

Tierney noted the request for proposals hasn’t been released, so the location for a new main library is still up in the air.

“We don’t know. It’s too soon right now. I keep telling councillors not to predetermine location. We don’t have the RFP on the street yet,” he said.

The library board was scheduled to meet Tuesday afternoon but the meeting was cancelled because not enough trustees could attend. There were no action items on the agenda related to the central library project, but trustees were expected to receive an update. The business will be moved to the next board meeting in March.

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Ottawa's central library project is not in good hands

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 10, 2016 | Last Updated: February 10, 2016 8:01 PM EST


Within three weeks, the plans to build a new central library have gone from chugging along quite nicely to a confused mess, capped off with an unhinged attack by the library board chair on a group that wants to keep a central library central.

A couple of years ago, there was little hope of building a central library to replace the decrepit hulk at Laurier Avenue and Metcalfe Street because there was no land around that the city could afford. Now we’re spoiled:
  • Both groups that want to redevelop LeBreton Flats are happy to include libraries in their plans;
  • There’s talk of a possible deal with a private developer to include a library on the same west-downtown block the city once eyed as a library site;
  • The library people themselves have had multiple confidential submissions from potential partners;
  • Meanwhile, they’re treating a city property right between the Flats and Centretown — at the north end of Bronson Avenue — as an “exemplar site” where they’ll plan an imaginary library for discussion purposes, and;
  • Library and Archives Canada wants in, potentially adding ambition, money and clout.

So many threads it’s hard to guess how best to knit them all together. The chair of the library board, Coun. Tim Tierney, has responded by all but dismissing the LeBreton bids as unwelcome noise. And then he cancelled a scheduled board meeting Tuesday night where a group called Bookmark the Core,” which wants a central library to be built in Centretown because that’s where downtown’s population centre is these days, wanted to object to all the secrecy.

When Bookmark the Core spokeswoman Emilie Taman complained on Tuesday, Tierney literally ran to CFRA’s studio to deliver a 12-minute tirade on how irrelevant she and her group are.

Tierney called Taman a loser (twice), complained she doesn’t live in Centretown, pointed out she’s a lawyer so she’s “a very scripted individual,” and said she speaks for basically no one so she shouldn’t be given airtime.

It’s true that forming a group doesn’t entitle you to equal time in any public discussion you choose to join. And it’s not obvious that a new library, potentially built free to taxpayers next to a light-rail station at LeBreton Flats, is unacceptable because it’s west of Bronson Avenue.

But Tierney’s sneering, his patronizing, his sheer viciousness, was jaw-dropping. Even he seemed to realize it — or had someone realize it for him — and called in again later to apologize for having been such an arse. Though he included weaselly parts about how maybe he’d been “misconstrued.”

Taman ran for the New Democrats in Ottawa-Vanier in the last federal election, losing to Liberal Mauril Bélanger. (That makes her officially a loser, you see.) Bélanger has since been diagnosed with a deadly degenerative disease. Tierney is a Liberal who’d be among the possible candidates to succeed Bélanger when the time comes.

Tierney dodged questions Wednesday about whether he imagines he and Taman might run against each other for Parliament: “We have an MP, an MP I support, and I’m a municipal councillor,” he said.

He also dodged questions about all the absences that prompted him, as chair, to scrap the Tuesday night library-board meeting, though he did clarify it wasn’t that he was certain they couldn’t have a meeting, it was that he wasn’t sure.

You need five of nine board members to do anything. Four had told him they couldn’t attend and Tierney had been unable to reach two others, so he called the meeting off. It’s a completely plausible account of what can happen with volunteer groups like the library board. But Tierney wouldn’t say which board members told him they wouldn’t attend, citing their privacy.

Had there been a meeting, whoever was absent would have been a matter of public record in the minutes, so it’s bizarre to argue that if so many people are away that they can’t hold a meeting at all, we don’t get to find out who’s bailed.

A preliminary study has estimated the cost of a new central library at $86 million, but that’s before the federal library and archives got involved. It’s a very large project, and one that’s become much more complex than when it started. It cannot be in the hands of a board that can’t gather enough members to hold a proper meeting, led by a chairman who can’t keep his temper.

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