[Burnaby] The Amazing Brentwood | 15 Towers | 186m | 56 flrs | U/C & Proposed

[sumitsek]

Originally Posted by urbancanadian

Thanks. In the back you can see that Altus has completed the transition from office floors to residential. Should start to rise quickly again.

Also if you look at Google Maps, this phase of the development and the auto dealership project at Boundary & Lougheed are almost the exact same size and shape. Just thought it was interesting to compare the different levels of intensity between two similar parcels of land.

I recall reading it in another post but maybe you can clarify - are they no longer allowed to have office space on the first few floors of a primarily residential tower?

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by sumitsek

I recall reading it in another post but maybe you can clarify - are they no longer allowed to have office space on the first few floors of a primarily residential tower?

I believe it is more a financial reason not to include office space in a primary residential tower. I have heard it is hard to lease out the spaces and then there is the issue if the units are strata as there would be 2 stratas that have different agendas. I have been in a few older condo and rental towers where they use the area for storage or have converted the floor space to apartments. I never seen such a long hallway before.

Also as security goes you would have 2 different elevators, entry doors into the building etc, so the cost of supplying the commercial office space would be higher

[NetMapel]

Anybody tried to bike from Brentwood station area to Central Valley Greenway ? Apparently it's the bike path that connects Brentwood to New West and Vancouver. How safe is it to bike on Lougheed's drawn bike lane ? Seems like the best way to do is to bike along that, then left turn onto Gilmore avenue and then get on the Central Valley Greenway, eh ?

[TourOdeon]

Originally Posted by NetMapel

Anybody tried to bike from Brentwood station area to Central Valley Greenway ? Apparently it's the bike path that connects Brentwood to New West and Vancouver. How safe is it to bike on Lougheed's drawn bike lane ? Seems like the best way to do is to bike along that, then left turn onto Gilmore avenue and then get on the Central Valley Greenway, eh ?

You'll need to wait til the Gilmore Station project is completed before you can do that

[Large Cat]

Originally Posted by NetMapel

Anybody tried to bike from Brentwood station area to Central Valley Greenway ? Apparently it's the bike path that connects Brentwood to New West and Vancouver. How safe is it to bike on Lougheed's drawn bike lane ? Seems like the best way to do is to bike along that, then left turn onto Gilmore avenue and then get on the Central Valley Greenway, eh ?

I highly recommend never cycling along Lougheed Highway, bike lanes or not. Right now this is still one of the crappiest areas for cycling. Only connection to CVG is on Gilmore as you said, but only starting on the south side of Lougheed. You can also use sidewalks on east side of Willingdon to reach CVG multi-use pathways via the Keg and Costco. There is also no way to get up the hill to Hastings. However Burnaby is working on 2 projects which will help: connecting the Gilmore Urban Trail across the trans-canada from the south to the CVG, and building the Willingdon Urban Trail up to and past Brentwood Stn all the way to Hastings, for which they have already procured the right of way. And obviously they'll be improving things in the new neighbourhood precincts, probably with an east-west corridor along Dawson, etc..

[POCO]

Wouldn't it be fairly easy to cycle a block or so along Lougheed to Douglas then hit the CVG? Sperling station seems to have pretty easy access.

[rofina]

Its super easy.

Cruise down to Dawson. Take Dawson over to Gilmore/Home Depot area and hook up to bike way.

Great ride right into Downtown.

I do it often - love it.

[NetMapel]

Originally Posted by rofina

Its super easy.

Cruise down to Dawson. Take Dawson over to Gilmore/Home Depot area and hook up to bike way.

Great ride right into Downtown.

I do it often - love it.

I see I see. Now, I'm not exactly the fastest cyclist and all that. Dawson seems to be a single lane road with not a lot of room for maneuver so I will get stressed and scared the traffic behind me. Is Dawson generally pretty calm during commute hours or will I experience driver aggression by being too slow ? I also try not to bike too close to parked cars on the street because I've had a car door opened almost in my face and nearly got me injured before, so I try to operate my bike like a car. Taking up a lane but also follow all driving rules (hey I'm a driver too so I like to follow the rules). Will that be problematic to the traffic there and really piss off drivers ? Last thing I need is to be run off the road by angry drivers, right ?

[Sunshine604]

Maybe a year ago, a salesperson from the sale center told me the schedule will be like:

8 months – dig the hole
12 months – fill the hole on Tower one side
12 months – actual building itself
6 months – building interior

(Pardon my terminations above :p)

The excavation started Sep 2014 and started the underground construction from Feb 2015, so far everything seems to be ahead of schedule. If everything still go as planned, the building should be finished in Oct 2017.

I wonder why Tower one second amendment said it will be delayed to Summer 2018

I am not a pro so this is my assumption only. I really hope the building could be ready to move in as soon as possible!

[Sunshine604]

Originally Posted by Sunshine604

8 months – dig the hole
12 months – fill the hole on Tower one side
12 months – actual building itself
6 months – building interior

(Pardon my terminations above :p)

Oops I meant terminology..

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by Vin

Looks like luxury stores would be coming to the new mall.....


http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2016/01/brentwood-town-centre-become-amazing-brentwood/

Brentwood Town Centre to become 'The Amazing Brentwood'
BY
HELEN SIWAK
5:07 PM PST, WED JANUARY 20, 2016


Brentwood Town Centre is undergoing a spectacular overhaul that, when completed in the fall of 2018, will make it one of the largest urban destinations in North America. According to Retail-Insider, the first phase of development of the new centre will feature a modern luxury retail zone, fashion anchor stores, new upscale restaurants and a cinema, all in a indoor-outdoor configuration located directly on and around the SkyTrain station.

According to Retail-Insider,

The existing 500,000 square foot centre will be transformed into a mixed-use super regional shopping centre featuring in excess of 1.1 million square feet of retail space. As many as three large stores may anchor the centre, and landlord Shape Properties confirms that they have been in discussions with four upscale fashion department stores. Discussions continue with a variety of smaller retailers, including a number of luxury brands that are interested in locating in the centre’s new ‘modern luxury zone’.

Not all retail will be luxury focused and the developer is looking to add various lifestyle, aspirational and approachably-priced retailers in the centre, including a number of sports and athleisure focused brands.

The centre will feature four distinct retail areas; ‘Brentwood Interior’, ‘Brentwood Boulevard’, ‘West Mews/Grand Lobby’, and ‘The Plaza’. Each is described below.

Brentwood Boulevard, an outdoor retail street, will feature 22 retailers in 70,000 square feet of space, as well as two restaurants occupying approximately 10,000 square feet, plus some 4,000 square feet of restaurant patio space. Brentwood Boulevard’s design is inspired by some of the world’s most iconic high streets.

West Mews and Grand Lobby will feature 17,000 square feet of retail space, as well as a further 4,000 square feet for at least six restaurants, excluding approximately 1,500 square feet of patio space. The area will offer one-of-a-kind brands, designer stores, and unique restaurants.

The Plaza will be a one-acre open-air social hub featuring fashion brands mixed with patios, pubs and casual dining. It will feature 15 stores as well as six restaurants spanning over 30,000 square feet, plus 7,100 square feet of patio space and 4,000 square feet of garden rooftops. Also, three of the restaurants at The Plaza will be multi-level, according to plans.

According to Shape Properties’ Executive Vice President, Darren Kwiatkowski, Brentwood will feature considerably more space devoted to restaurants than is typically found in shopping centres in Canada. This addresses the fact that malls are increasingly becoming social and entertainment destinations, as opposed to being pure retail centres. Brentwood will feature a variety of diverse food options with chef-driven concepts (and some chains) to be included to elevate the food experience.

The Brentwood SkyTrain Station will become an integral component of the centre, and Mr. Kwiatkowski explained that transit ridership is expected to grow substantially as the Lower Mainland continues to densify. Brentwood is also easily accessible by car and its central location means that this development will be able to pull in shoppers from Burnaby as well as Vancouver, Coquitlam, New Westminster, and even North Vancouver via the Second Narrows Bridge.

Totally incomprehensible why such a mega project 3 times the size of Solo District keep their potential tenants such a top secret. If I remember correctly Solo District already has Whole Food as anchor even in their presale stage. Further delay only create heightened anticipation which I hope won't end up as disappointment.
25 restaurants on site are excellent. But then most people cannot afford to eat out every meal, nor is it healthy to do so. I sure hope there is some kind of grocery store on site.

[officedweller]

I just looked at the Amazing Brentwood Leasing plans again
...AND THE ANCHOR SPACES HAVE BEEN JUGGLED.

There appear to be many large retail spaces - i.e. for the H&Ms, Zaras and other larger format retailers.

There appears to be a *NEW* 3 storey anchor (130,555 sq ft over 3 storeys) in the SE quadrant across from the existing basement level of Sears.
Note the escalator atrium within the store.
- Is this a new tenant or a relocated Sears?

The basement of Sears (63,277 sq ft) seems to remain as an anchor space (could that be a down-sized Sears)?
The mall has been extended through the existing Sears on the 2 mall levels.

Note the "North Atrium", "Galleria" & "South Atrium"

The North Atrium anchor at the former Zellers end is now on the upper mall level only (36,234 sq ft) with an atrium below and basketball courts on the roof
(is the 3 storey beige area linking to the roof of the former Zellers the Community Centre?)

Also note:
- the South Atrium has a new anchor (21,325 sq ft).
- new freestanding 2nd floor anchor on the Willingdon side (22,274 sq ft) (in the base of a condo tower)
- the large basement or at-grade anchor space at Beta & Lougheed (40,000 sq ft) (relocated London Drugs or new supermarket?)
- the large 2-storey space at Beta & Lougheed (41,903 sq ft over 2 storeys)
- the large CRU (>29,000 sq ft) on Level 01 of the West Building opening onto the Town Centre Plaza
- another large CRU (>23,000 sq ft) on Level 01 of the South Building.

Level P3 - New basement or at-grade anchor at Beta & Lougheed.

http://theamazingbrentwood.com/leasing/#/centres/amazing-brentwood/plans

Level P2 - New [smaller] anchor tenant where Target would have been.

http://theamazingbrentwood.com/leasing/#/centres/amazing-brentwood/plans

Level P1 - Lowest level of existing Sears store - note new anchor

http://theamazingbrentwood.com/leasing/#/centres/amazing-brentwood/plans

Level 01 - Main Level of Existing Sears (Lower mall level)

http://theamazingbrentwood.com/leasing/#/centres/amazing-brentwood/plans

Level 02 - Top floor of existing Sears (Upper mall level)- note elevator lobbies on Ridgelawn for future condo towers

http://theamazingbrentwood.com/leasing/#/centres/amazing-brentwood/plans

Level 03 - Roof & Theatre level

http://theamazingbrentwood.com/leasing/#/centres/amazing-brentwood/plans

[Vin]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

Totally incomprehensible why such a mega project 3 times the size of Solo District keep their potential tenants such a top secret. If I remember correctly Solo District already has Whole Food as anchor even in their presale stage. Further delay only create heightened anticipation which I hope won't end up as disappointment.
25 restaurants on site are excellent. But then most people cannot afford to eat out every meal, nor is it healthy to do so. I sure hope there is some kind of grocery store on site.

I guess every developer does things differently. Sometimes keeping things a secret could serve the owners better because perhaps some retailers could hesitate to inquire if they realize that their competitors are opening there? I don't know. The fact remains that consumers are more hyped about the opening day if everything is kept under wraps. No spoilers just like new movies being released.

The food/beverage industry there is not just catering to the neighbourhood, but for the region as well. They are trying to capture the market for a wider area, including Vancouver, which is stagnating. The buzz on weekday evenings, Fridays and weekends would be quite amazing though.

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by Vin

I guess every developer does things differently. Sometimes keeping things a secret could serve the owners better because perhaps some retailers could hesitate to inquire if they realize that their competitors are opening there? I don't know. The fact remains that consumers are more hyped about the opening day if everything is kept under wraps. No spoilers just like new movies being released.

The food/beverage industry there is not just catering to the neighbourhood, but for the region as well. They are trying to capture the market for a wider area, including Vancouver, which is stagnating. The buzz on weekday evenings, Fridays and weekends would be quite amazing though.

I am trying to say is: do not underestimate the attraction of known retailers to potential buyers. Marine Gateway announced T &T and a movie theater at the preconstruction phase , and they are sold out within days. ( I don" t mean there should be a T&T at Brentwood, I only quote this as an example). Sold out tower 3 means developer has even more clout to attract the right mix of retails. Besides doesn't hurt to release some know retails to stir up some kind of excitement in this otherwise rather quiet category. BTW the opening day is 3 years away. IMHO

[Vin]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

I am trying to say is: do not underestimate the attraction of known retailers to potential buyers. Marine Gateway announced T &T and a movie theater at the preconstruction phase , and they are sold out within days. ( I don" t mean there should be a T&T at Brentwood, I only quote this as an example). Sold out tower 3 means developer has even more clout to attract the right mix of retails. Besides doesn't hurt to release some know retails to stir up some kind of excitement in this otherwise rather quiet category. BTW the opening day is 3 years away. IMHO

Nevertheless, all the residential phases were sold out despite the Shape Properties not announcing the tenants. I guess mall retail is always exciting and attractive for investors, especially for huge developments.

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by Vin

Nevertheless, all the residential phases were sold out despite the Shape Properties not announcing the tenants. I guess mall retail is always exciting and attractive for investors, especially for huge developments.

How come all the advertising still says T3 75% sold . Goldhouse sold out faster than T3 because all the neighboring retails and services are known.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Vin

I guess mall retail is always exciting and attractive for investors, especially for huge developments.

You "guess" because once again you are forming emotional opinions in line with your dreams and desires, rather than referring to anything factual or relevant.

Whether or not there are a lot of tenants lining up for these spaces remains to be seen. There is nothing currently pointing to inevitable success. In fact, being doubtful due to the lack of announcements, while still speculative and premature, makes more sense than what you have posited.

The ad nauseam rant of "I want more malls and therefore all facts should be twisted in that direction" is frankly tiresome, akin to a child throwing a temper tantrum every time things don't go their way.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

How come all the advertising still says T3 75% sold . Goldhouse sold out faster than T3 because all the neighboring retails and services are known.

Gold house is one tower. It is sold out because there is a mall and skytrain just right across the street. Doesn't matter if retail tenants are announced. When investors know there will be retail and convenience for residential tenants, they will buy.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

You "guess" because once again you are forming emotional opinions in line with your dreams and desires, rather than referring to anything factual or relevant.

Whether or not there are a lot of tenants lining up for these spaces remains to be seen. There is nothing currently pointing to inevitable success. In fact, being doubtful due to the lack of announcements, while still speculative and premature, makes more sense than what you have posited.

The ad nauseam rant of "I want more malls and therefore all facts should be twisted in that direction" is frankly tiresome, akin to a child throwing a temper tantrum every time things don't go their way.

That's your own opinion. Shape Properties isn't in the business of losing money. Fact is, towers 1 and 2 are completely sold out, and as posted above, tower 3 is already 75% sold. So who's twisting facts that having a mall at your doorstep isn't an ideal form of development? Shape is so confident that they are going to invest more on the same strategy at Lougheed Town Centre. I think you're the one who's getting irrationally emotional about my postings. Just ignore what I say if you find them tiresome.

[SpongeG]

brentwood station blog posted that a menchies yogurt will open there...