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Old Posted Oct 27, 2015, 7:47 AM
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Interesting that the lack of a Mountain highway Hwy 1 onramp is due to that orange bridge, not intentional design as many here wondered:

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New Lynn Creek bridge key to Cut traffic

Mountain Highway interchange project details emerge


Like afternoon traffic on the Cut, the province is lurching forward with a redesign of the Mountain Highway interchange.

But even more substantial plans to replace the 1960 orange, steel Highway 1 bridge over Lynn Creek with a nine-lane alternative are now on the table.

The province debuted the original plan almost a year ago, as part of a $140-million overhaul of all three interchanges north of the Ironworkers Memorial Second Narrows Crossing bridgehead.

In broad strokes, the redesign includes a new four-lane Mountain Highway overpass, bicycle infrastructure, controlled intersections, a new on-ramp onto the Cut northbound and southbound off-ramp leading to Brooksbank Avenue.

But the one thing it lacked, according to several critics and armchair engineers, was a new onramp joining eastbound Highway 1. District and provincial staff looked into it and came to the conclusion that the orange bridge has got to go.

“That was not through lack of public will and engineering creativity. It simply isn’t physically possible because of land contour,” said District of North Vancouver Mayor Richard Walton. “It became apparent during the last number of months that, from an engineering point of view, you can’t do that eastbound access from Mountain Highway onto the highway without that bridge being widened.”

During his campaign, newly elected North Vancouver Liberal MP Jonathan Wilkinson promised federal money to replace the Lynn Creek bridge as the “Cure for the Cut.”

Under an update posted by the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure this week, the final designs should be ready by the new year and construction is due to run from summer 2016 to 2018.

Those plans, however, do not include the replacement bridge.

The estimated cost of replacing the bridge is $50 million. The province had it in its long-term plan to do after the Mountain Highway, Mount Seymour Parkway and Main Street interchanges were all revamped, but now the municipality is asking the province to fast-track the bridge replacement to get the Mountain Highway interchange project off on the right foot.

Should the province agree, the district is aiming for the replacement bridge to include another two-lane, east-west local road not connected to the highway in order to link Seymour to Mountain Highway.

“If you’re going to build a bridge of a certain capacity for the highway, why would you not piggyback on that?” Walton said.

But even if the interchange projects help untie the traffic knots and allow better east-west flow, a traffic study by the district and province found that the six-lane Ironworkers too is nearing its capacity and replacing the Ironworkers isn’t on anyone’s radar.

The appropriate response, Walton said, is stemming the number of people who choose to commute by car during rush hour.

“Certainly future investment in public transit is going to provide people an option that some people don’t have right now in deciding how to get to work,” he said. “If we can peel off even 10 or 15 per cent of the traffic, it can have huge impacts on the backups and volume at peak times.”

And Walton said the region needs to start charging for how and when people make use of the roads. “Building bridges is a multibillion dollar proposition and the entire Metro Vancouver area I think ultimately is going to have to take a look at incentivizing people to travel off-peak and travel on alternatives,” he said. “We all know the mantra in transportation engineering and design: You can’t build your way out of congestion. If you increase road capacity dramatically, you’ll simply encourage people to keep trying to go in their cars at peak time. With a growing city, that’s simply not possible. That’s a regional issue.”

The district will host a council workshop on the interchange project on Nov. 9. The public is invited; however, a separate public consultation process to refine the designs will follow soon after.
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Of course the orange Hwy 1 bridge is the culprit. The province isn't/doesn't want to pony up for the cost of the replacement so unfortunately the plan as it currently stands doesn't fully fix the problem. Of course it makes sense to try and replace that bridge and piggyback on all of the construction/design of Mountain Hwy interchange. It would be great if the new Liberal MP could use of some of Trudeau's new $10B debt to pay for this thing.

Oh, and yes, the Ironworkers is due for a replacement soon, but we'll have to wait a long while for that one. Just look at the state of the Patullo.
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Value engineering strikes again...

The bridge replacement should be part of the interchange improvement scope.
     
     
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Oh, and yes, the Ironworkers is due for a replacement soon, but we'll have to wait a long while for that one. Just look at the state of the Patullo.
They also just spent 20 million on new sidewalks and seismic upgrades for this bridge. Pattullo bridge requires the local funding component that the Iron Workers does not. Just saying comparing these two bridges is comparing apples to oranges.
     
     
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Anyone know if the new Mountain Hwy interchange is going to allow for 6 or 7 lanes of TH1 traffic? 7th being an additional climbing lane.
     
     
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Anyone know if the new Mountain Hwy interchange is going to allow for 6 or 7 lanes of TH1 traffic? 7th being an additional climbing lane.
I don't think they're changing the lane configuration, they seem to be just working on new onramps/exits.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transp...-improvements/public-consultation-design
     
     
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I don't think they're changing the lane configuration, they seem to be just working on new onramps/exits.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transp...-improvements/public-consultation-design
I agree that they will currently not add existing lanes to the freeway however I can't see them building a new 4 or 5 lane Mountain Highway interchange bridge without adding future capacity for the freeway.
     
     
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I agree that they will currently not add existing lanes to the freeway however I can't see them building a new 4 or 5 lane Mountain Highway interchange bridge without adding future capacity for the freeway.
The new bridge decks aren't too much of an issue because it's not that hard to make these kinds of relatively short bridges wider. The real issue is any underpasses and whether the spans will be long enough to accommodate additional lanes beneath them.
     
     
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The new bridge decks aren't too much of an issue because it's not that hard to make these kinds of relatively short bridges wider. The real issue is any underpasses and whether the spans will be long enough to accommodate additional lanes beneath them.
Yeah, that goes back to my question of accommodation of 6 or 7 lanes under the span. Maybe I wasn't clear before.
     
     
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Not adding lanes this time around is madness. I doubt only rebuilding the interchanges will fix the current cong show.
     
     
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Not adding lanes this time around is madness. I doubt only rebuilding the interchanges will fix the current cong show.
Agreed. But until they upgrade the red bridge over Lynn very limited bonus to adding the lanes. I would like to see the two projects (Mountain Highway and Dollarton Hwy) done concurrently with Hwy1 Lynn Creak bridge and associated lane expansion. Instead they're doing the two announced projects consecutively likely followed by the other mentioned needed upgrades.
     
     
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Here are the schedules for the three interchanges:

Mountain Highway Interchange:
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transp...mprovements/mountain-highway-interchange
  • Functional design—complete
  • Detailed design—in progress
  • Construction starting—summer 2016
  • Scheduled completion—March 2018

Lillooet Road (Fern Street) Interchange:
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transp...ts/lillooet-road-fern-street-interchange
  • Functional design— in progress
  • Detailed design—starting, summer 2016
  • Construction starting—summer 2017
  • Scheduled completion—March 2020

Dollarton Highway Interchange:
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transp...provements/dollarton-highway-interchange
  • Functional design—starting, summer 2016
  • Detailed design—starting, summer 2017
  • Construction—starting, summer 2018
  • Scheduled completion—March 2021
     
     
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Correcting what I said earlier. Three projects (not two) and not a single one adding capacity to Hwy 1. I'm still not sure why this hasn't been rolling into one larger project at improving the overall corridor. It's not like the BC Liberals are gun shy about building bigger roads.
     
     
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By spreading it out, they can stretch construction completion to a month or two before the next election, while still being able to have shovels in the ground before this election. It's not like it takes five years to build a couple of interchanges...
     
     
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By spreading it out, they can stretch construction completion to a month or two before the next election, while still being able to have shovels in the ground before this election. It's not like it takes five years to build a couple of interchanges...
Classic politics and optics. Smaller companies can also bid on a single component vs over leveraging or being shut out of an overall project.

I wonder what the final Main/Seymour intersection will look like. I think connecting Seymour Blvd to Main will actually help with overall traffic flow. I welcome that component. I also like the new pedestrian overpass.
     
     
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Looks like they're also planning on re-doing the exit from the highway West bound at Lonsdale heading North with stakes in the ground for a longer merge lane.

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Old Posted Feb 5, 2016, 10:46 AM
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Stumbled upon some late January renders that haven't been posted here yet


http://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/driving...ainhwy/displayboards_january_19_2016.pdf


http://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/driving...ainhwy/displayboards_january_19_2016.pdf

If they do that "municipal connector bridge" north of the highway and not the hwy 1 bridge I will lose all hope.

edit: also I feel like I asked this before but won't this just shift the traffic jams to Brooksbank and Main since all the Lynn Valley traffic will have to drive through there now? Going south on Brooksbank is my not-so-secret route when I am just trying to get to/from retail in the area.

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I agree, that Municipal connector bridge is a terrible idea. People will just use it to shortcut around the Westbound merge and will dump far more traffic into that neighbourhood and overload the new intersection that will be created at the Mountain Hwy offramp/onramp. Lynn Creek bridge NEEDS to be 3 lanes in either direction.

The Seymour Road connector is a great idea, although I don't hold out a lot of hope that it will ever be built as it passes through Squamish Nation Land. It has been 9 years discussing the connection of the Spirit Trail from Bewicke to Lonsdale and we still aren't there yet, and that is a goddamn bike lane/sidewalk, not a arterial connector.

As for dumping traffic onto Brooksbank vs. Mountain Hwy, it makes sense. It is a nice shortcut now, but Mountain Hwy cannot handle the amount of traffic it currently has, not to mention what will be coming with the redevelopment of Lower Lynn. There are more intersections and lights on Mountain Hwy, and the curve at the Keith Road bridge. Brooksbank makes more sense to distribute the traffic. The proposed flyover from Keith Road to Mt. Seymour Parkway will also help a great deal taking eastbound Hwy 1 traffic off of the highway before the Lynn Creek bridge and getting it across to Seymour.

The next thing that is needed is an upgrading of Main Street/Dollarton Hwy to 4 lanes underneath the Ironworkers approach. Unfortunately the Dollarton bridge was recently upgraded and probably still can't handle the traffic that double the lanes would cause.
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I wonder how many Lynn Valleyites will just try to do U-turns after going over the highway to go hwy 1 eastbound.
     
     
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dTalks and preliminary designs have been in the works for years, but only recently did the district and feds decide that replacing the Lynn Creek bridge on Highway 1 should be incorporated into the plan. That piece, however, hasn’t been budgeted for. Walton said he’d just had a “good, productive” conference call with North Vancouver’s two MLAs as well as North Vancouver’s new Liberal MP Jonathan Wilkinson “sharing ideas and trying to find ways to facilitate” that piece of the puzzle.
http://www.nsnews.com/news/traffic-devel...-business-1.2164322#sthash.uDWi6yw4.dpuf
     
     
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