Surrey Updates - Page 77

whalley13 · #**1521** Posted **Feb 2, 2016, 11:55 PM**

Looks like arena is on hold for scott road but ice rinks are still being built, has anyone heard anything about the arena negotiations? was really looking forward to this

GMasterAres · #**1522** Posted **Feb 3, 2016, 6:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by whalley13

Looks like arena is on hold for scott road but ice rinks are still being built, has anyone heard anything about the arena negotiations? was really looking forward to this

It's pretty straight forward, Surrey doesn't want to become another Abbotsford and build an Arena on the taxpayer's dime that loses money and has to be supported by the taxpayer while the people using the facility don't hold up their own belt.

Unfortunately it is an issue in many cities across North America where teams and developers of Arenas or Stadiums for some reason now expect the public and public funds to pay 100% for their shiney new Arenas or Stadiums. Look at Phoenix and Seattle for examples. There was a time when if a sports team wanted an Arena, they built it on their own dime like Roger's Arena for example.

So while I am equally disappointed, I am 100% for Surrey pressing pause and not spending money they don't have and taking on all the risk. We don't _need_ a big Arena in Surrey at this stage, all we do need is to relocate the current North Surrey Arena ice sheets which will still be done and will start this year so that land can be redeveloped in Surrey Central.

Katherine S · #**1523** Posted **Feb 3, 2016, 8:05 AM**

I think it's just another one of those things where if the time isn't perfectly right, then there's too big a risk of an overall failure. It's also not just the developer not picking up the slack; if no one goes to the arena, even if any losses are covered by private owners, the surrounding area will not be redeveloped for some time (think of the area around the former Asian Centre on 104th). In my opinion, there has to be a significant amount of excitement from the public for a new arena be worthwhile.

Pinion · #**1524** Posted **Feb 3, 2016, 8:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by jhausner

There was a time when if a sports team wanted an Arena, they built it on their own dime like Roger's Arena for example.

This isn't really true, Rogers Arena/GM Place was an anomaly even in the mid 90s and it cost Arthur Griffiths control of the team. Teams using threats to get a city to build an arena has been going on since pro sports became big business many decades ago.

GMasterAres · #**1525** Posted **Feb 4, 2016, 4:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by Katherine S

I think it's just another one of those things where if the time isn't perfectly right, then there's too big a risk of an overall failure. It's also not just the developer not picking up the slack; if no one goes to the arena, even if any losses are covered by private owners, the surrounding area will not be redeveloped for some time (think of the area around the former Asian Centre on 104th). In my opinion, there has to be a significant amount of excitement from the public for a new arena be worthwhile.

For sure good point.

GMasterAres · #**1526** Posted **Feb 4, 2016, 4:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Pinion

This isn't really true, Rogers Arena/GM Place was an anomaly even in the mid 90s and it cost Arthur Griffiths control of the team. Teams using threats to get a city to build an arena has been going on since pro sports became big business many decades ago.

If you look just at the NHL, only 1 arena was (is being) built by public funds in Canada, Rogers Place in Edmonton and even then only $200 million of the $480 million building price was public, the rest was private or ticket raised.

When you look at NHL arenas in the US, then there is more owned by cities or counties (public). The ones that aren't are in Pittsburgh, New York, Colorado, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, Washington, Philadelphia. So 8 out of 23 or 35% roughly. So in the NHL 14 out of 30 teams have arenas (some recent) built entirely by private money. That's pretty close to 50% overall.

~50% is not an anomaly. That's just the NHL though, I am sure you're correct that a larger portion of Arenas if you start looking at smaller ones, are built by the public. But I don't think I'm too crazy to think at least the City of Surrey should push to not eat all the costs just because some cities do.

Now NFL absolutely. 26 of 32 stadiums in the NFL were built and are owned by public authorities. But we're talking Arenas here not football stadiums.

Shift · #**1527** Posted **Feb 5, 2016, 12:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by whalley13

Looks like arena is on hold for scott road but ice rinks are still being built, has anyone heard anything about the arena negotiations? was really looking forward to this

Story here: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/surrey+...ld+moving+ahead+with/11693028/story.html

Construction of the new rinks said to begin this year with completion End of 2017.

This means we won't see the North Surrey Rec Centre and Surrey Central Bus Loop go until early 2018.

Shift · #**1528** Posted **Feb 23, 2016, 11:58 PM**

Not sure if this has been posted here, but came across this Planning Report for a 12-Storey mixed-use care facility with two 6 storey apartment buildings behind it, across from Surrey Memorial Hospital at 96th Ave and King George.

This area is on its way to becoming a nice cluster of large buildings, with the recently completed Professional Building, new one under construction, and Surrey Memorial tower 2 to come.

https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7915-0114-00.pdf

officedweller · #**1529** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 12:09 AM**

Nice find!
Looks like there's a creek to the north of the site (that will be daylighted)

CoryHolmes · #**1530** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 2:05 AM**

Is this part of the homeless shelter that's supposed to go in near the Hospital?

Sheba · #**1531** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 2:21 AM**

Yeah it was reported on pg 73 - we didn't have a render then. Hopefully this means the Nimbys have calmed down about it.

urbancanadian · #**1532** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:20 AM**

Thanks. I think it looks kinda similar to Arbutus Village in Vancouver.
The developer appears to be WestStone, which is behind the Urban Village development (Ultra/Evolve). Homepage: http://www.weststonegroup.com/

Here is the info I found on their website:

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INNOVATION 1, 2 & 3

In 2014 WestStone acquired one of the last remaining parcels of developable land adjacent to Surrey Memorial Hospital (“SMH”). This land is within the newly dedicated “Hospital Zone” and, with its uniqueness, it offers some exceptional investment potential.

Innovation 1, 2, & 3

The land’s immediate neighbour is SMH which has recently undergone a $512-million expansion, is an affiliated University of British Columbia (UBC) teaching hospital and acts as the hub for the 40-acre Surrey Health Campus, home to over 6,000 medical professionals and hundreds of medical and nursing students. The land is destined to become the southern hub for the area designated as “Innovation Boulevard” which is anchored by SMH, UBC and Simon Fraser University (SFU). Innovation Boulevard is dedicated to healthcare technology and patient solutions. Light Rail Transit Station (LRT) will also be located immediately adjacent to the property.

WestStone’s current design is to create three distinct developable parcels with the two western parcels accommodating two 6-storey wood frame buildings totaling approximately 220,000 square feet ideally destined for senior’s independent living or dedicated rental buildings.

Given the exceptional location, on the doorstep of Surrey Health Campus, it can be expected that demand will be high. The east parcel adjacent to King George Boulevard will feature a 15-storey mid-rise, totaling approximately 335,390 square feet being designed for a mixed medical use ranging from complex care and assisted living for seniors to medical office, commercial and ground floor retail. Innovation 1, 2 & 3 meets a pressing need for complex care with specific dedicated medical use in fields such as spinal injuries and neurological care, etc. The entire development will be located in a tasteful urban forest setting, with a stream running around its northern perimeter.

http://www.weststonegroup.com/innovation-1-2-3/

Sheba · #**1533** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 6:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by urbancanadian

Thanks. I think it looks kinda similar to Arbutus Village in Vancouver.
The developer appears to be WestStone, which is behind the Urban Village development (Ultra/Evolve). Homepage: http://www.weststonegroup.com/

Here is the info I found on their website: ...

They've fleshed out the details a bit and the only thing that sounds different is before it was going to be a "stepped 12-storey" building.

Btw if you look on a map there's a trailer park there now and 95th doesn't go through to King George yet (that's the street shown in the render). I'm betting the creek won't be that big.

GMasterAres · #**1534** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 9:10 PM**

I believe it is a smaller feeder creek that feeds into Quibble Creek at the south side of Surrey Memorial. It basically pipes under King George and flows in the trees between the trailer park and Tim Hortons.

The trailer park was fighting to not have this go through but I'm fairly certain things will move forward given the direction of Surrey council and the benefits to the area. It will be a nice building. Doesn't look like they are in the render but it would have been nice if they could connect 95 to 94A. They'd have to sweep up 94A to connect further North with Queen Elizabeth Secondary right there, but it would help further establish the Surrey Central ring road as 94A will be connecting via 138th to Whalley Boulevard in the next 5 years and 95 Avenue directly connects to 134th which will be the west ring connecting to University Drive through Holland Park in the longer term.

For those not familiar, see the following image I did up. The 95/94a section is the dashed orange near the bottom. Dashed lines are sections not complete right now and with the exception of 95/94a, all the dashed lines are planned to be connected in the next 5-10 years.

Bobert · #**1535** Posted **Mar 1, 2016, 7:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Shift

Not sure if this has been posted here, but came across this Planning Report for a 12-Storey mixed-use care facility with two 6 storey apartment buildings behind it, across from Surrey Memorial Hospital at 96th Ave and King George.

This area is on its way to becoming a nice cluster of large buildings, with the recently completed Professional Building, new one under construction, and Surrey Memorial tower 2 to come.

Surrey memorial tower 2? I'm guessing this is an expansion of beds?

Whalleyboy · #**1536** Posted **Mar 1, 2016, 11:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bobert

Surrey memorial tower 2? I'm guessing this is an expansion of beds?

Nothing has been sent to the city yet for the second tower at the hospital yet. When the new tower was built plans where put in place for a second twin tower as well. there is a whole master plan for the whole area it can be found here
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164406&page=2

whalley13 · #**1537** Posted **Mar 19, 2016, 8:07 PM**

Good interview in the Vancouver sun/local papers with Charan Sethi, Whalley developer

Balance has only 4 units left ( so virtually sold out)
Tower at 108th is gonna happen after Quattro phase 4
Quattro phase four is now going to be starting up...its going to be called "the Venue"....good news that part of the area is going to be built out now

Blease · #**1538** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 1:40 AM**

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Blease · #**1539** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 1:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Cypherus

Nice find. This appears to be called "LEGION VETERANS VILLAGE". Honestly, it is hard to know anything about the concepts until some application or rendering is released as part of a proposal.

Source: http://mg-architecture.ca

Worth mentioning that the Liberal Party budget unveiled today mentions putting a Veteran's Affair's office in Surrey. My guess is that it'll be in this building (in the norther periphery of City Centre) which up till now was thought to consist entirely of social housing/assistance for Vets. Good news for the area, especially now that there's a dedicated budget for for the build.

Jebby · #**1540** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Blease

Worth mentioning that the Liberal Party budget unveiled today mentions putting a Veteran's Affair's office in Surrey. My guess is that it'll be in this building (in the norther periphery of City Centre) which up till now was thought to consist entirely of social housing/assistance for Vets. Good news for the area, especially now that there's a dedicated budget for for the build.

I fully expect that designed to be watered down due to cost. Hopefully they still build something noteworthy and iconic.