Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

Or how about they worry about filling the 30,000 seat stadium they already have before these pie-in-the-sky ideas of a 60,000 seat stadium

TFC are lucky to have had BMO as their home... If they were stuck in the cavernous Skydome the same way the Argos were, I'd bet the franchise would now be defunct.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

it was a management course, we'll leave it at that.

Anger management?

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by elly63

Anger management?

I'm gonna rule out money management

[TimB09]

Listen, I hope soccer does well in Canada, I do. But past history, and I'm talking MANY years and MANY tries to get soccer going in this country has proven hopeless and leaves me skeptical. Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver all make sense based on population alone for sure. But to say 60,000 seat venues should be considered, lets tap the brakes. Sell out your 30,000 seat stadium first for a few years and THEN lets move onto a bigger stadium or an expanded BMO.

[king10]

Originally Posted by timb09

listen, i hope soccer does well in canada, i do. But past history, and i'm talking many years and many tries to get soccer going in this country has proven hopeless and leaves me skeptical. Toronto, montreal and vancouver all make sense based on population alone for sure. But to say 60,000 seat venues should be considered, lets tap the brakes. Sell out your 30,000 seat stadium first for a few years and then lets move onto a bigger stadium or an expanded bmo.

qft

[esquire]

I'm sure mistercorporate will give us scores of reasons as to why TFC is different etc etc but I'm certain that if the CFL was given a time machine, one of things it would put on its to-do list would be to prevent massive football stadiums from being built in Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto and Montreal which swamped those markets with surplus capacity.

[Acajack]

Besides, Toronto already has a stadium that seats close to 60,000 people. I know the whole story about the field, but seriously... I think that could be overcome if things ever evolved in the direction some are predicting.

[Daveography]

The ol' "bait & switch" (Rogers Place):

Casino cladding:





The wrap is off on much of the stainless steel cladding now!

[J.OT13]

Top rendering is the Devecore proposal, bottom is the Senators.

Sens arena would have a capacity of 18,000 while Devcore proposes 18,500.

In comparison the Corel Centre (CTC) has capacity for 18,694 or 20,041 with standing room. Capacity was reduced several times over the years.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/2-visions-for-lebreton-flats-unveiled-1.3420196

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by osmo

Where is the hockey? Funny they make such pretty renders but leave out the Sens to make you think it is just a grand hall and not a *cough* NHL arena.

I want to see what the score board will look like with that roof design, would it get a MSG treatment, or something innovative?

The arena looks like $$$$.

Looks on par with Barclays from a materials stand point. Likely a $750 million build for the arena.

It looks cool. But who will pay for it?

They want to sell the project to the NCC as not just a hockey arena, but a major events centre that could bring up to 180 events per year. They want their proposal to be about culture, life to the urban core, culture... not just about moving the Sens, that's why they try to limit pointing out the obvious.

As for who pays, 100% the owner, Eugene Melnyk and his partners. Not just the arena, but the abilities centre, Sensplex, de-contamination of the entire area (upwards of 230 million), burying the Confederation Line...

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Top rendering is the Devecore proposal, bottom is the Senators.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/2-visions-for-lebreton-flats-unveiled-1.3420196

The Senators proposal is MILES better.

Like I said earlier, if it gets built and stays true to the rough renders (no reason to believe it wouldn't) - it will be the best looking arena in the league.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Do you think the trans canada highway is wide enough to transport the CTC to Calgary when Ottawa is done with it?

In all Honesty though what happens to this building when a new one is built? It has to be somehow utilized in ottawa. Or does it? Are sens fans going to be attached to this building the same way fans in Edmonton are attached to rexall? it barley has any real history...(in comparison). Ottawa is way to small for 3 major arenas. It will have to be re purposed perhaps the same fate as rexall? hockey training facility? 6 indoor sheets of ice on 2 floors?

The owner of the Senators, the Canadian Tire Centre and front man for the Rendez-Vous, will be revealing his plans for the CTC next week.

And no, Sens fans have 0 attachment to the arena. We will all be ecstatic when the new building opens Downtown.

[Hybrid247]

Here's a set of answers to some popular questions regarding Melnyk's bid

http://illuminationlebreton.ca/did-you-know/index.html

And for those of you wondering if public funds will be used:

6. Will the Illumination bid be publically funded?
No public funds will be used in the Illumination Lebreton project.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

Here's a set of answers to some popular questions regarding Melnyk's bid

http://illuminationlebreton.ca/did-you-know/index.html

And for those of you wondering if public funds will be used:

Hats off to Ottawa for not getting pushed into paying for someone's rink.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by logan5

Vast improvement in location for Ottawa. But still, the LeBreton location is a km away from the DT area. How important is Confederation ParK? That would put the arena smack dab in the middle of everything.

I presume that wouldn't happen though.

There doesn't look to be many sites available where the arena would be close to all the action, like it is in other Canadian cities.

Confederation Park is pretty damn important for events also the closet thing to an urban central park-esque (as in green oasis next to a wall of office tower) area we have. Also one of the only parks west of the Canal.

There is absolutely not other site large enough to accommodate an NHL arena in Central Ottawa. Only other spot would be Hurdman, which is even further (3 O-Train stations east of Downtown.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by esquire

Hats off to Ottawa for not getting pushed into paying for someone's rink.

And the consideration for that Internet FAQ promise is?

[FrankieFlowerpot]

A long lost gem of a stadium

https://twitter.com/lostballparks/status/685178478090665985

[GernB]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

A long lost gem of a stadium

https://twitter.com/lostballparks/status/685178478090665985

Maple Leaf Stadium...what might have been if Jack Kent Cooke's 1954 bid for the St. Louis Browns had been accepted? He had a plan to increase seating to ~40,000. Toronto would have been in the majors twenty years sooner, in a baseball specific classic ballpark.

Instead, the Browns moved to Baltimore, and in a few short years Cooke gave up on his dream for Toronto MLB and moved to the US, eventually owning the LA Kings and Lakers and Washington Redskins.

[Dr Awesomesauce]

^A real beauty and held around 20,000 I believe.

It's a shame it couldn't have been renovated for the Jays in those early years - surely it would have been better than Exhibition Stadium...

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Here's a great article detailing the history of baseball in the city - don't let my avatar sway your decision to read it

http://spacing.ca/toronto/2015/04/14/illustrated-history-baseball-toronto/