YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[vanlaw]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I sure hope so! As I was just browsing prices for that route, the current players (Eva Air and China Airlines) seemed rather expensive to me and it's not even the high-season. More competition would be good.

I was just doing some random flight searches today and YVR-HKG via TPE on CI was around $750. Exact same dates but just YVR-TPE direct on CI was close to $1,000. I know that's how things just work, but its sooo irritating.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by vanlaw

I was just doing some random flight searches today and YVR-HKG via TPE on CI was around $750. Exact same dates but just YVR-TPE direct on CI was close to $1,000. I know that's how things just work, but its sooo irritating.

I hear you. I was trying to make YVR-HKG-TPE-YVR work in either direction, but had to settle for YVR-HKG-TPE-HKG-YVR. There were also some cheap flights back via NRT, but the problem with those was having only 1:44 in Tokyo and having to switch from Cathay Pacific to Air Canada. Not gonna work.

[Gordon]

The 767-300 should have no problem YvR to Tpe as they were the workhorse out of vancouver when they mainline aC

Is there any work being done on Pier A currently?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

You sure? TPE is only 9,600km from YVR and AC lists the range at 10,500km and Boeing lists it as 11,000 at MTOW.

Yes I'm sure the 763 is not the right aircraft for YVR-TPE. One thing to consider is weather diversion around a storm will eat up 900km cushion very quickly. The Russian's charge a lot of money for overflight their territory, enough money that YVR-Asia flights often reroute to the east of NRT for economic performance reasons. Finally winds on the North Pacific require additional fuel that make YVR-TPE a no go for the 763.

Originally Posted by Gordon

The 767-300 should have no problem YvR to Tpe as they were the workhorse out of vancouver when they mainline AC

Only 6 out of 30 763s could make YVR-PEK or YVR-PVG. NRT, ICN, NGO, KIX from YVR could be handled by any 763. The 6 special aircraft were late 1997-99 builds purchased by original AC. YYZ-TLV was the only other route that required use of the late models.

Back in the Day CP served TPE with 744, when AC took over they put 343 onto TPE run. If the 763 made sense for AC, they would have put the that aircraft onto TPE instead of abandoning the route.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yup. Was discussed last year. The problem with the Canada-Taiwan bilateral is the restriction is based on frequencies and not seats. So to go from a daily 744 to a 350 is a big hit to seat numbers. But of course like most carriers, the 744 is on its way out. There are four (I think!) remaining unutilised frequencies on the Taiwan side. Coincidentally EVA to YVR and YYZ are both 5 weekly at the moment, having recently been increased from four weekly each in early December.

However.... now that AC has the permission from the CTA to code share on EVA... perhaps we may see both routes bumped to daily. Ruling made yesterday.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/19-a-2016

To quote myself... In regards to YVR-TPE... As I alluded to on page 424 on this thread when I shared the link above...

AC was given the OK to serve TPE via codeshare. However, on their Investor Day 2015 map it does show both YVR and YYZ as potential direct nonstop routes on AC metal. But for now, I bet they will just slap their codeshare on BR ASAP. I don't see TPE as a rouge route really. NGO I bet may be next with a few flights per week.

And I said above... I wouldn't be surprised to see EVA bump both YVR and YYZ to daily as there are still 4 unused frequencies on Canada-Taiwan bilateral. I'm just not sure who gets them BR or CI? As both airlines phase out their 744s and the aircraft replacing these all have fewer seats, more frequencies will be the key if they want to maintain capacity. Could be a fight between CI and BR who gets the remaining weekly flights. The AC codeshare certainly would help the Star Alliance carrier.

Edit: confirmed the bilateral jumped from 13 flights per week to 17 in 2014 and then to 21 in November 2015. So there are 4 unused frequencies by Taiwanese carriers.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes, and with so few 748 operators unlikely there will be many. In PEK a few weeks ago saw a 744 and a 748 right next to each other... Quite the difference when seen up close.

So I wanted to look into the A380 and 748i combination and it turns out it is in fact quite rare.

YVR is in very unique company, with only 4 of the 10 busiest airports in the world seeing both the A380 and 748i.

The list of notable airports without service from both of the worlds largest passenger planes includes:

• London Heathrow
• Dubai International
• Paris Charles De Gaulle
• Tokyo Narita
• Chicago O'Hare
• Amsterdam Schiphol
• Shanghai Pudong
• Dallas Ft Worth

And the list goes on.

In fact only 10 of the 30 biggest airports in the world see both, so count yourselves lucky out there in Vancouver. Even out here mighty Pearson doesn't see much of the 380 and no visits from the 748i at all.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Even out here mighty Pearson doesn't see much of the 380 and no visits from the 748i at all.

Don't go mentioning that on Canada Forum. They seem agitated enough already.

[Johnny Aussie]

And with LH, KE and CA being the only passenger carriers that have had them delivered / ordered I don't expect many more airports to see both.

Transaero is still to have its first delivered.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Cage

Back in the Day CP served TPE with 744, when AC took over they put 343 onto TPE run. If the 763 made sense for AC, they would have put the that aircraft onto TPE instead of abandoning the route.

I remember taking the CP and later AC YVR-TPE flight, and it was being served by a DC10

The other airlines serving the route at that time, AE, was using a MD11.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And I said above... I wouldn't be surprised to see EVA bump both YVR and YYZ to daily as there are still 4 unused frequencies on Canada-Taiwan bilateral. I'm just not sure who gets them BR or CI? As both airlines phase out their 744s and the aircraft replacing these all have fewer seats, more frequencies will be the key if they want to maintain capacity. Could be a fight between CI and BR who gets the remaining weekly flights. The AC codeshare certainly would help the Star Alliance carrier.

Edit: confirmed the bilateral jumped from 13 flights per week to 17 in 2014 and then to 21 in November 2015. So there are 4 unused frequencies by Taiwanese carriers.

They BOTH want those frequencies. BR want both routes to be at least daily if not more, CI wants to start TPE-YYZ themselves, and even GE wants to start TPE-YVR.

And are you sure the codeshare is with the direct flight from BR and not some other regional flight via another country or even the one from CI ?

[Klazu]

I know you guys love your airline codes, but which airlines are AE, BR and GE?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

I remember taking the CP and later AC YVR-TPE flight, and it was being served by a DC10

The other airlines serving the route at that time, AE, was using a MD11.



They BOTH want those frequencies. BR want both routes to be at least daily if not more, CI wants to start TPE-YYZ themselves, and even GE wants to start TPE-YVR.

And are you sure the codeshare is with the direct flight from BR and not some other regional flight via another country or even the one from CI ?

Good question however, if I try and decipher the wording the route is Canada-Taipei. That being said, I am assuming it would be BR. That would make the most sense as both Star Alliance. I suppose NH via HND may be another option but that would require a separate approval by both Japan and Taiwan to allow carriage between those two countries. Certainly not impossible. I'm pretty confident AC wants to serve YVR-TPE and YYZ-TPE both nonstop.

Yeah with only 4 frequencies left doesn't really give too many options.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I know you guys love your airline codes, but which airlines are AE, BR and GE?

This is a handy tool for all airline/airport codes.

http://airlinecodes.info/iata/A

AE - Mandarin Airlines
BR - EVA Air
GE - TransAsia Airways

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like very little change for this summer compared to last.

YYZ will see 8 weekly.
CUN, PVR, SJD and VRA will see one weekly each.

So there will be 12 weekly flights during the summer.

This is down from 14 last summer. Last summer there were nine weekly to YYZ and two weekly to CUN.

[ShawnShank]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Transaero is still to have its first delivered.

Transaero is long gone, the company is bankrupt. Rossiya (a company under aeroflot) is taking over a lot of the 744s, 763s, 77As, 77Es and 773s but they are not taking their A380 or 748i orders.

[excel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This is a handy tool for all airline/airport codes.

http://airlinecodes.info/iata/A

AE - Mandarin Airlines
BR - EVA Air
GE - TransAsia Airways

Another handy tool for airline/airport codes is google.ca or google.com

[ACT7]

Does anyone else find that idiotic sticker-on-your-boarding pass system at YVR to go through the priority security lanes, completely inefficient and unnecessary?

Why can't YVR act like every other airport on earth and just see from your boarding pass whether or not you're entitled to go through the priority lane (and bring your travel companion!) without having to go back to a check-in lineup that you never started in, just to get a little sticker? The airport authority has no decent explanation for this.

What's the point of using the check-in kiosks if you have to go wait in line for a sticker after?

Anyway, just wondering if others find this bizarre...

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Even out here mighty Pearson doesn't see much of the 380 and no visits from the 748i at all.

LH was sending its 748i to Pearson last summer (not daily). And of course, EK, is restricted.

But you're right, not a tonne of 380 and 748i action.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by ACT7

Does anyone else find that idiotic sticker-on-your-boarding pass system at YVR to go through the priority security lanes, completely inefficient and unnecessary?

Why can't YVR act like every other airport on earth and just see from your boarding pass whether or not you're entitled to go through the priority lane (and bring your travel companion!) without having to go back to a check-in lineup that you never started in, just to get a little sticker? The airport authority has no decent explanation for this.

What's the point of using the check-in kiosks if you have to go wait in line for a sticker after?

Anyway, just wondering if others find this bizarre...

I suspect YVR is optimized for nexus. I find nexus lines to be organized and efficient. If anything, I've never noticed priority lanes for business pax at YVR, like at FRA.

nexus is non alliance/carrier/class dependent, I really like the set up at YVR. The US is heading the same way with TSA pre-check.

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

I suspect YVR is optimized for nexus. I find nexus lines to be organized and efficient. If anything, I've never noticed priority lanes for business pax at YVR, like at FRA.

nexus is non alliance/carrier/class dependent, I really like the set up at YVR. The US is heading the same way with TSA pre-check.

Love TSA precheck.

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

I suspect YVR is optimized for nexus. I find nexus lines to be organized and efficient. If anything, I've never noticed priority lanes for business pax at YVR, like at FRA.

nexus is non alliance/carrier/class dependent, I really like the set up at YVR. The US is heading the same way with TSA pre-check.

Most airports have both the nexus line and priority lane for AC status members, so I don't believe that's the reason. There doesn't seem to be a good reason to not allow priority travellers to go through the priority lane without a sticker, that's my point. Why can't YVR simply look at the boarding pass like everywhere else? Nexus has nothing to do with it. And frankly it's not such a busy airport to deny priority passengers unless they go back to get a sticker.