ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 844

bigstick · #**16861** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 11:09 AM**

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Hello,

What is this?

Thanks

alco89 · #**16862** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 11:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by bigstick

Hello,

What is this?

Thanks

LOL, just posting pictures without any reference.

It's the recently-proposed massive development in Perimeter Center. Here's the article it came from:

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2016/0...rn-with-sandy-springs-5-skyscraper-plan/

And here's the initial story from the Business Chronicle with more pics:

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...ive-tower-project-planned-for-sandy.html

RobMidtowner · #**16863** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 1:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by bigstick

Hello,

What is this?

Thanks

A disaster waiting to happen...

Verge · #**16864** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by RobMidtowner

A disaster waiting to happen...

Yep--

themaguffin · #**16865** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 3:14 PM**

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A disaster waiting to happen...

Exactly.

JayD309 · #**16866** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 4:28 PM**

Looks like Mercedes Benz Stadium has fallen behind schedule and is now set to open in June instead of March. Atlanta United will have to find a place to play for the first 3 months.

Article:

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/football/mercedes-benz-stadium-falls-behind-schedule/np9Jg/

Tuckerman · #**16867** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 4:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by RobMidtowner

A disaster waiting to happen...

What exactly is the disaster? I know this area quite well and can't quite envision the problems projected. It is directly at a MARTA station and daily auto traffic is not even comparable to that at Hammond and Ashford-Dunwoody. Plus, it is probably unrealistic to think it will ever be built at this scope. Would there be complaining if this complex were to be located Downtown?

themaguffin · #**16868** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 4:35 PM**

As discussed before, Perimeter isn't downtown. It shouldn't be exist at this level to begin with, it's not designed to be a business center. Downtown have more ways to get around and is not boxed in like Perimeter is.

Night and day.

Verge · #**16869** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 5:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tuckerman

What exactly is the disaster? I know this area quite well and can't quite envision the problems projected. It is directly at a MARTA station and daily auto traffic is not even comparable to that at Hammond and Ashford-Dunwoody. Plus, it is probably unrealistic to think it will ever be built at this scope. Would there be complaining if this complex were to be located Downtown?

I guess I was referring more to the architecture-- a very strange mashup of disparate elements. The edge city phenomenon is not going away, though central cities everywhere are flourishing and building--

bryantm3 · #**16870** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by themaguffin

As discussed before, Perimeter isn't downtown. It shouldn't be exist at this level to begin with, it's not designed to be a business center. Downtown have more ways to get around and is not boxed in like Perimeter is.

Night and day.

that is preposterous. there is no reason that atlanta as a metro cannot be a multi-nodal city that has urban multi-use centers with residential areas in between. it is already becoming that, and suburban areas with large areas of disconnected office buildings and drive-up apartments should be redeveloped in a more walkable and dense fashion; not abandoned. it is unrealistic to believe that we can just un-do 50 years of suburban growth. we can prevent future outward growth by densifying in multiple areas.

TarHeelJ · #**16871** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by themaguffin

As discussed before, Perimeter isn't downtown. It shouldn't be exist at this level to begin with, it's not designed to be a business center. Downtown have more ways to get around and is not boxed in like Perimeter is.

Night and day.

Yes it has been discussed before and this agenda doesn't need to be brought up every time there is a development proposed in the Perimeter area. There are high rise districts outside of downtowns all around the world, so complaining about the ones in Atlanta doesn't really make sense. It exists and will continue to grow as long as it is feasible so you might as well get on board with it.

Ant131531 · #**16872** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by bryantm3

that is preposterous. there is no reason that atlanta as a metro cannot be a multi-nodal city that has urban multi-use centers with residential areas in between. it is already becoming that, and suburban areas with large areas of disconnected office buildings and drive-up apartments should be redeveloped in a more walkable and dense fashion; not abandoned. it is unrealistic to believe that we can just un-do 50 years of suburban growth. we can prevent future outward growth by densifying in multiple areas.

To be fair, since these act as CBDs, doesn't that mean the metro area will sort of expand around them, thus sprawling further out anyway?

themaguffin · #**16873** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 6:46 PM**

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that is preposterous. there is no reason that atlanta as a metro cannot be a multi-nodal city that has urban multi-use centers with residential areas in between

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There are high rise districts outside of downtowns all around the world, so complaining about the ones in Atlanta doesn't really make sense

I didn't say that at all. No need for straw men.

ATLcubs · #**16874** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 7:30 PM**

Uhhh...What shape is Three Alliance Center supposed to be? The renderings always showed a square-ish rectangley shape, and the view of it from the webcam definitely does not look square-ish. I would ask if it's just their method of construction, but the footprint of the building is also a rather odd shape, probably because of the parking deck, but still odd nonetheless.

Pemgin · #**16875** Posted **Jan 22, 2016, 10:14 PM**

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Uhhh...What shape is Three Alliance Center supposed to be? The renderings always showed a square-ish rectangley shape, and the view of it from the webcam definitely does not look square-ish. I would ask if it's just their method of construction, but the footprint of the building is also a rather odd shape, probably because of the parking deck, but still odd nonetheless.

parallelogram

Sbgt92 · #**16876** Posted **Jan 23, 2016, 1:13 AM**

"Perimeter Center" is my favorite Oxymoron

bryantm3 · #**16877** Posted **Jan 23, 2016, 6:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ant131531

To be fair, since these act as CBDs, doesn't that mean the metro area will sort of expand around them, thus sprawling further out anyway?

not if we get our act together and bind any future suburban/urban development to the existing core counties and zone everything outside of that to be rural only. we can prevent future excessive sprawl with zoning, but for areas that are already sprawled and experience a lot of traffic, the only solution is to densify and work on walkabie, mixed use, mixed income communities.

quite honestly i am the opposite of the crazy people out in oregon. i think that pretty much the entire north georgia mountains should be designated as a national forest, but they've allowed suburban development and mcmansions in places as far flung as hiawassee and clayton, georgia. that land should have been protected but when developers go into rural low-revenue counties, the people in charge are eager to bend the rules.

Tuckerman · #**16878** Posted **Jan 23, 2016, 1:56 PM**

[QUOTE=bryantm3;7309794]not if we get our act together and bind any future suburban/urban development to the existing core counties and zone everything outside of that to be rural only. we can prevent future excessive sprawl with zoning, but for areas that are already sprawled and experience a lot of traffic, the only solution is to densify and work on walkabie, mixed use, mixed income communities.

Probably most people on SF would agree with this sentiment. Unfortunately, it is not the world of our recent experience in Georgia and there is little likelihood it will change. Ideally many of the high rise developments planned or destined for Perimeter or Cobb would be built in the City of Atlanta and in particular filling the space between Downtown and Midtown. There is a lot of room on the West Side to increase the girth of Downtown-Midtown. But it will not happen in the near future, partly because of the incredibly anti-Atlanta, rural mentality of our state legislature and political structure. In addition, there still is no solid idea that the metro area is one unit with a core city in the middle. None of this will change in the current political climate; perhaps in 20-30 years.

In the meantime, I believe we have to live with a multi-model metro area and hope that developments stay on our limited Marta lines and have the potential to pull the metro together around these transportation nodes. That is why I would welcome the Perimeter development. I would prefer it in the political city of Atlanta, but if not there, at least it is on a MARTA mainline.

bryantm3 · #**16879** Posted **Jan 24, 2016, 12:08 AM**

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In the meantime, I believe we have to live with a multi-model metro area and hope that developments stay on our limited Marta lines and have the potential to pull the metro together around these transportation nodes. That is why I would welcome the Perimeter development. I would prefer it in the political city of Atlanta, but if not there, at least it is on a MARTA mainline.

agreed; however, i think it would be advantageous to plan transit around atlanta's multiple nodes of activity. unless corporations are moving to locations where the employees don't have access to MARTA, i don't see a gain for perimeter as a loss for atlanta— it's connected directly to it via subway and the whole metro will benefit from the added jobs. what we have to do is ensure that people all over the metro have the ability to live in an area they can afford that has a relatively convenient job commute; that means both densifying suburban areas and connecting them to transit.

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**16880** Posted **Jan 25, 2016, 4:13 PM**

Lots of activity on the NCR site today.