Cambie Corridor Updates

[officedweller]

Thanks - that's what I thought, but I was stopped in my car and didn't have time to fully read the sign.

[officedweller]

Vancouver Market.ca has a story on ONNI's redevelopment of the Dogwood Pearson Lands:

Rezoning info here:
http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/pearsondogwood/index.htm

◾a total density of 2.8 FSR
◾3,097,262 SF of building area
◾2,170 total units
◾5 phases
◾residential use consisting of: market units, rental units and affordable units
◾building heights between 3 and 28-storeys
◾replacement housing for George Pearson Centre
◾a replacement facility for the Dogwood Lodge
◾retail and commercial space
◾a community health centre
◾a YMCA facility with a 25-metre pool and a therapeutic pool
◾a 69 space child care facility
◾a 2.5 acre City park
◾an urban farm
◾a potential future transit station

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2016/01/20/details-emerge-for-onnis-pearson-dogwood-project/


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2016/01/20/details-emerge-for-onnis-pearson-dogwood-project/

[s211]

Is there some form of pre-determined inflection point or formula that would dictate construction of the additional Canada Line station?

[WarrenC12]

Wow that looks bigger than the Oakridge plan.

[whatnext]

🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 to be he owner of the Langara Gardens Towers, a whole lot of rentals will lose their view premium! But then they'll make it up from tearing down the large affordable lowrise component of their site.

[officedweller]

Here's the plans for Langara Gardens with Dogwood-Pearson:

Originally Posted by officedweller

Another option:

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2015/12/02/conceptual-plans-emerge-for-langara-gardens/

[WarrenC12]

So Dogwood should pay at least 50% of the cost of a new Canada Line station and Langara can make up the rest? Or may some cost sharing with Translink.

[Krissy]

I'm usually not thrilled about the architectural quality of Onni's buildings. So far it's still hard to say as the buildings just look like placeholders for scale and massing. But my impression is that they're marketing to somewhat more average families so I'm not holding my breath for something special or unique. The public realm looks decent though.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So Dogwood should pay at least 50% of the cost of a new Canada Line station and Langara can make up the rest? Or may some cost sharing with Translink.

All the Rezoning SApplication says (on page 177 of Sustainability Measures) - is that a transit station is being considered at 57th Ave. and discussions are ongoing with TransLink on how this can be delivered. It also says the site is with 10-15 minutes walk of existing stations at 49th and at Marine Drive.

The question is whether the City of Vnacouver will be as proactive as Richmond was wrt Capstan Station, where developers have agreed with Richmond and TransLink to pay $8,000 per unit towards the cost of the station. The estimated station cost is $25M - meaning the station could be 15 years away.

http://www.richmond.ca/newsevents/city2012/capstanstnfunding.htm

I would expect an underground station at 57th to be more expensive than the elevated Capstan Station.

Olympic Village Station cost $29M, and that was for an already excavated site (TBM pit):
http://www.canadianconsultingengineer.co...reek-to-have-transit-station/1000039284/

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by officedweller

All the Rezoning SApplication says (on page 177 of Sustainability Measures) - is that a transit station is being considered at 57th Ave. and discussions are ongoing with TransLink on how this can be delivered. It also says the site is with 10-15 minutes walk of existing stations at 49th and at Marine Drive.

The question is whether the City of Vnacouver will be as proactive as Richmond was wrt Capstan Station, where developers have agreed with Richmond and TransLink to pay $8,000 per unit towards the cost of the station. The estimated station cost is $25M - meaning the station could be 15 years away.

http://www.richmond.ca/newsevents/city2012/capstanstnfunding.htm

I would expect an underground station at 57th to be more expensive than the elevated Capstan Station.

Are you being sarcastic with the 15 years comment?

Yes I would expect a station at 57th to be more, let's say double - $50M. The Richmond example would mean the station is paid for with ~3100 units, which is a huge number. But a similar formula could be applied with a per unit cost in Vancouver, along with the City providing say $10-$20M, and Translink contributing. Interesting that they got away with paying nothing for the Capstan.

[officedweller]

The agreement between the City and TransLink provides for station construction to begin within 15 years, but station funding and construction may be completed sooner if the area’s currently strong development interest continues.

The article says they have up to 15 years to build it (written before the current market, but still dependant on actual build-out rate).

In the case of Vancouver, though, the question is whether Vancouver would levy that sort of fee, or focus on CAC's that go to "city" initiatives rather than a "regional" initiative such as a transit station. That's the whole basis why the cities don't want higher property taxes for TransLink (regional) purposes - although this is a Vancouver-specific station (rather than overall general TransLink revenue).

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The article says they have up to 15 years to build it (written before the current market, but still dependant on actual build-out rate).

In the case of Vancouver, though, the question is whether Vancouver would levy that sort of fee, or focus on CAC's that go to "city" initiatives rather than a "regional" initiative such as a transit station. That's the whole basis why the cities don't want higher property taxes for TransLink (regional) purposes - although this is a Vancouver-specific station (rather than overall general TransLink revenue).

If Vancouver is as green as they claim, providing access to electric rail for thousands of new residents would align with that goal.

However, there's no doubt users from other areas would benefit from this station, so it stands to reason that Translink should pay for at least some of the capital cost.

[whatnext]

Wasn't the Canada Line built with the future stations at 33rd and 57th taken into account? Wouldn't that mitigate the cost?

[officedweller]

Yeah, but I'm not sure if there are just level sections of track (I doubt there would be a "station box").
At 57th, the tunnel is under the northbound lanes, and the drawings show a stationhouse on the west side of Cambie, so some additional excavation will be required.
At 33rd they'd probably have to blast a lot of rock.

[logan5]

Pfft. Why call it a future station then. I'm still pissed about no station at 16th. Maybe I'll just start diggin it up myself.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by logan5

Pfft. Why call it a future station then. I'm still pissed about no station at 16th. Maybe I'll just start diggin it up myself.

To have future stations you need sections of track that are flat and straight. 33rd and 57th are appropriate, but unfortunately 16th is not, I believe putting a station at 16th would have caused the whole line to be much deeper.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Rico

To have future stations you need sections of track that are flat and straight. 33rd and 57th are appropriate, but unfortunately 16th is not, I believe putting a station at 16th would have caused the whole line to be much deeper.

Yes, that's my understanding as well, due to the proximity of Broadway Station and King Edward Station.

[officedweller]

Cambria (south of 49th) - 6 storey wood condo with big balconies behind a façade wall.
Should look nice. There are twin side-by-side buildings - YF's pics only show one of them.

Posted by Yellow Fever Jan 23rd:

Originally Posted by Yellow Fever

The Mosaic, the tallest wood made condo in Vancouver.

20160117_123243 by Yellow Fever @ SkyscraperCity, on Flickr

20160117_123152 by Yellow Fever @ SkyscraperCity, on Flickr

20160117_123035 by Yellow Fever @ SkyscraperCity, on Flickr

[osirisboy]

Would be much nicer if they used brick on the top 2 floors

[Jebby]

Is there a big price difference between buying a condo in a wood frame like Cambria and a comparable concrete building?