Winnipeg Construction VIII - Page 414

esquire · #**8261** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 6:56 PM**

^ Le Germain makes sense on one level, but the Convention Centre seemed to place a great level of importance on making sure that the proposed hotel was affiliated with one of the major chains, which Le Germain is not.

buzzg · #**8262** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 7:08 PM**

Yes but the Convention Centre is no longer part of this deal and TN was released from all the previous obligations of the site IIRC. You know, that whole "backroom" CentreVenture deal.

cheswick · #**8263** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 8:06 PM**

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Yes but the Convention Centre is no longer part of this deal and TN was released from all the previous obligations of the site IIRC. You know, that whole "backroom" CentreVenture deal.

I'm pretty sure they have even said the hotel isn't even going on the old Carlton site, it'll be on the MPI lot

CoryB · #**8264** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 8:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ Le Germain makes sense on one level, but the Convention Centre seemed to place a great level of importance on making sure that the proposed hotel was affiliated with one of the major chains, which Le Germain is not.

I would expect that the banner the hotel flies is aligned with the NHL preferred property to maximize keeping the NHL dollars in the family. I would be surprised if it didn't go so far as to have a favourable out clause for Longboat timed to when the NHL hotel agreement expires in case the banner changes so that TNS could flip banners if needed.

The Longboat/Chipman game play seems to heavily play from grabbing as many of the NHL associated dollars as possible. Whether it be from parking, to restaurants to where the visiting team stays. It is a smart business move but at the same time frustrating to see tax dollars going to help make it happen.

rrskylar · #**8265** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 8:38 PM**

Back room deal probably quashed the new hotel component of the convention centre expansion, you know the hotel that was supposed to help offset the convention centre operational losses. Taxpayer loses.

TNSE seems to have more clout than most of us realized when competition for a new TNSE hotel was so easily quashed, plenty of govt. handouts for this project and new TNSE owned hotel as well I'm sure. Once again taxpayer loses.

esquire · #**8266** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 9:18 PM**

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TNSE seems to have more clout than most of us realized when competition for a new TNSE hotel was so easily quashed, plenty of govt. handouts for this project and new TNSE owned hotel as well I'm sure. Once again taxpayer loses.

Competition for a new TNSE hotel? Get real, a long-stay hotel next to The Forks is not exactly going to be in the running to host hockey teams. It was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to demolish some protected buildings.

CoryB · #**8267** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 9:43 PM**

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Competition for a new TNSE hotel? Get real, a long-stay hotel next to The Forks is not exactly going to be in the running to host hockey teams. It was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to demolish some protected buildings.

Pretty sure rrskylar was referring to how the Carlton Inn site was purchased by CentreVenture and only proposals for the site that including an appropriate sized hotel flying a major brand would be considered, at least until Longboat came along with their alternate deal. At that point in the timeline Longboat had proposed a hotel for SoPo Square and the Convention Centre had its own consultants shopping for someone interested in the Carlton Inn site.

Since the True North Square deal came about it has quietly been confirmed a few times that the Carlton Inn site will not be home to a hotel.

rrskylar · #**8268** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Pretty sure rrskylar was referring to how the Carlton Inn site was purchased by CentreVenture and only proposals for the site that including an appropriate sized hotel flying a major brand would be considered, at least until Longboat came along with their alternate deal. At that point in the timeline Longboat had proposed a hotel for SoPo Square and the Convention Centre had its own consultants shopping for someone interested in the Carlton Inn site.

Since the True North Square deal came about it has quietly been confirmed a few times that the Carlton Inn site will not be home to a hotel.

You got it Cory, as usual what politicians promise here couldn't be farther from the truth. The key to the convention centre expansion was the hotel component, I'm sure that was probably just more BS at the time. Sadly there are only a select few who make the decisions in this town and they are not accountable to the electorate nor are they elected. Mayor Bowman and council can pretend all they want but the decisions made don't include them.

esquire · #**8269** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 9:56 PM**

Whoops, I misunderstood... some were saying the same things about the bogus hotel proposal for Main Street.

rrskylar · #**8270** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 10:00 PM**

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Whoops, I misunderstood... some were saying the same things about the bogus hotel proposal for Main Street.

Plenty of bogus hotels to go around here, bogus convention centre hotel, bogus main street hotel near Forks, bogus P & M hotel....

CoryB · #**8271** Posted **Jan 19, 2016, 10:21 PM**

The Lakeview hotel on St Marys and Edmonton, bogus water park and hotel (Great Wolfe Lodge) behind Ikea, bogus water park at CanadInns Polo Park, bogus hotel and water park on Parcel 4 at The Forks, questionable proposal for a hotel at McPhillips St Station, lots of hotel announcements for Westport Festival yet to break ground, a hotel proposed for ASD.

Seems the thing to do these days is propose a hotel and then not build it...

esquire · #**8272** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 12:59 AM**

^ Haha, definitely a pattern there!

trueviking · #**8273** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 1:35 AM**

My bet is true north square will be a Westin hotel.

bomberjet · #**8274** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 5:42 PM**

I noticed there were 2 cranes on site at the U of W apartments next to the WAG. Anybody know why they'd need 2 cranes, when 1 has been on site for some time?

cllew · #**8275** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 6:49 PM**

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I noticed there were 2 cranes on site at the U of W apartments next to the WAG. Anybody know why they'd need 2 cranes, when 1 has been on site for some time?

If its the same building I have been looking at from my window at City Place there has been two of them there for a while.

bomberjet · #**8276** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 7:06 PM**

Ah, okay. You can probably see it over top of the Bay? I just didn't notice.

cllew · #**8277** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 7:33 PM**

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Ah, okay. You can probably see it over top of the Bay? I just didn't notice.

Correct, Until TNS gets built I have a straight line of site west down Graham from my companies office windows when I walk over to see if the non cube farm world still exists.

Its been sure interesting seeing the different views come and go from City Place as all the different old buildings around us have been raised and new ones go up.

bomberjet · #**8278** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 8:05 PM**

Ya, I'm across on St. Mary. From my desk along the window (in a cube farm...) I'll get a nice view of SkyCity rising over the new police station/Millennium library once that gets going! I have to walk around the other side of the office to see TNS. But sure will be nice to have some action right outside the window.

1ajs · #**8279** Posted **Jan 20, 2016, 9:36 PM**

There's piles going in at confusion corner

bogdog · #**8280** Posted **Jan 21, 2016, 7:06 PM**

Anybody know what they're doing to Guay Park on St Mary's Road?