YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[nname]

Philippine Airlines Moves New York Schedule in S16

Philippine Airlines starting 28MAR16 is adjusting operational schedule for Manila – Vancouver – New York JFK route, currently served 4 times a week with Boeing 777-300ER aircraft.

At the start of summer 2016 schedule, the airline will unify Manila – Vancouver eastbound schedule, while Vancouver – New York JFK schedule shifts to night-time arrival and midnight departure for New York. Planned schedule as follow.

PR126 MNL1500 – 1220YVR1420 – 2230JFK 77W x357
PR127 JFK0015 – 0330YVR0515 – 0945+1MNL 77W x146

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/24/pr-jfk-s16/


Such a horrible westbound departure and arrival time...

Do they even have the check-in area, inspection, and custom open at 3-4am? Right now there is no international flight arrive or depart anywhere near that time at all!

[trofirhen]

Looking at the Wikipedia entry on San Francisco airport destinations, I noticed that they have both Chonqquing and Wuhan. I don't think YVR has this, correct me if I'm wrong.
These are both second-tier Chinese cities, Wuhan, at 10,220,000 with Chonqquing slightly larger at with a city population of 17,000,000 and a regional population of 29,000,000.
Chonqquing's reseached annual GDP is close to Minneapolis, at US$ 232.2 bn (correct me if my math is wrong)
Wuhan is also obviously a city of importance, although smaller than it's big neighbor.

Would Chonqqing/ Wuahn / be destinations with yield factor for VYR, as well?

[Hot Rod]

A bit about Chongqing, while it may be a Tier 2 city from the eyes of the west; it is certainly poised to become a Tier 1 city very shortly as it fast approaches the wealth and significance of the other 3 direct municipalities and 4 national central cities. Chongqing is the only such city in the interior of china (Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin - municipalities, add Guangzhou for central cities). By definition, if you are on this list then you are Tier 1 - yet I would agree that Chongqing probably isn't quite fully there yet but will be within 5 years; especially once it's new T3A terminal opens next year among other things.

Wuhan is definitely a Tier 2 city, a provincial capital; Chongqing is not. It was already mentioned the economy of Chongqing by comparison to a US metro and that is growing exponentially as is the urban population (1 million sq feet added DAILY). Take a look at recent photos of Chongqing and tell me with a straight face that you just saw a Tier 2 city. ....

Vancouver will be 'complete' as a China-NA hub once all of the national central cities are covered (Tianjin and Chongqing aren't yet covered - but it appears Hainan/Tianjin Airline may take care of this). Everybody after that would be 2nd tier, but many do offer 1st tier business and/or tourist opportunities (here's to you Nanjing, Shenzhen, Chengdu (already got flight), Fuzhou, Huangzhou, other prov caps.

OK, back to the discussions.

[Johnny Aussie]

Part One

YVR-LAX has a casualty!

Effective 4 June 2016 Alaska is pulling the plug! So that's it for Alaska mainline at YVR folks. Au revoir Alaska.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/27/as-yvrlax-jun16/

So YVR-LAX will now be served by AC, DL, AA, UA and WS. Summer scheds showing 12 daily on the route still.

Part Two

Now for one that came out of left field!

AC is putting the 787-8 on the daily YVR-EWR flight effective June 17 replacing the daily A319.... What a gigantic capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/27/ac-yvrewr-jun16/

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Part One

YVR-LAX has a casualty!

Effective 4 June 2016 Alaska is pulling the plug! So that's it for Alaska mainline at YVR folks. Au revoir Alaska.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/27/as-yvrlax-jun16/

So YVR-LAX will now be served by AC, DL, AA, UA and WS. Summer scheds showing 12 daily on the route still.

Part Two

Now for one that came out of left field!

AC is putting the 787-8 on the daily YVR-EWR flight effective June 17 replacing the daily A319.... What a gigantic capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/27/ac-yvrewr-jun16/

Interesting, though I remember my first YVR-JFK on AC was a 767 so they're just getting back to that kind of capacity 15 years later!

[Johnny Aussie]

Oh and DL is bumping SEA up to 6 daily next summer.

Delta will have 13 daily flights up to 15 on Saturdays next summer.

SEA 6
MSP 2
LAX 2
SLC 2
JFK 1
ATL 2 weekly (Wed, Sat)
DTW 1 weekly (Sat)

Goodbye AS and Hello Delta

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

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Part Two

Now for one that came out of left field!

AC is putting the 787-8 on the daily YVR-EWR flight effective June 17 replacing the daily A319.... What a gigantic capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/27/ac-yvrewr-jun16/

... and to top it all off, this is Air Canada's second transborder route with a 787 dreamliner (the first being out of YYZ of course,) but in this event, who cares?

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

DTW 1 weekly (Sat)

So we do have Detroit, but it's just once a week. Why does Delta bother with these once or twice a week flights? What's the business case for such infrequent connection?

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Klazu

So we do have Detroit, but it's just once a week. Why does Delta bother with these once or twice a week flights? What's the business case for such infrequent connection?

It's for cruise passengers -- 2-3 cruise ships arriving / departing on the same day will provide more than enough demand for that 1x/weekly flight. I recall AC used to do something similar in the summer for YVR-Anchorage.

[Klazu]

Ah, good point and likely the reason for such odd days. Good to have those connections, but with such frequencies they are unlikely to pop up in search engines very often.

[Johnny Aussie]

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/November_2015_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Yet another month of decent growth.

Excellent growth Transborder, Asia Pacific and Europe.

Growth compared to NOV 2014 and YTD through NOV 2014

Overall up 76,905 5.7% YTD up 869,794 4.9%
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Domestic up 25,821 3.5% YTD up 227,443 2.5%
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Transborder up 22,792 7.0%
Asia/Pacific up 21,914 11.9%
Europe up 7,755 13.8%
Misc Int'l down 1,287 -2.8%
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Ttl Int'l up 51,084 8.3% YTD up 642,351 7.5%

If similar growth in December as occurred in November, YVR should hit above 20,300,000 for 2015.

[Hot Rod]

heres to 20.5 million for 2015!!

Hip-hip, 'Hooray'! Hip-hip, 'Hooray'!

[trofirhen]

In the stats, domestic growth of 2.5% seems normal, and (if I interpret correctly) the Transborder growth is good, Asia Pacific on its inexorable increase, and a peak for Europe at nearly 14%

[Johnny Aussie]

A weekly update is posted by a guy on airliners.net which shows the changes in schedules in the US by week.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6589612/

YVR is the only Canadian city to actually show increases on UA routes. Every other single Canadian UA route shown has a cut.

It has to be analysed carefully though because the adjustments just reflect a change in schedule from week to week. So not necessarily a change in prior year. However, a lot of the Canadian routes being reduced are in fact true losses now as upcoming schedules are definitely showing cuts compared to the prior year.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/November_2015_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Interesting to see that tonnes on runway is up 5.7% while year over year pax is up 4.9%, meaning that there has been up-gauging of metal year over year.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Part One

YVR-LAX has a casualty!!

Effective 4 June 2016 Alaska is pulling the plug! So that's it for Alaska mainline at YVR folks. Au revoir Alaska.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/27/as-yvrlax-jun16/

So YVR-LAX will now be served by AC, DL, AA, UA and WS. Summer scheds showing 12 daily on the route still.

Part Two

Now for one that came out of left field!

AC is putting the 787-8 on the daily YVR-EWR flight effective June 17 replacing the daily A319.... What a gigantic capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/27/ac-yvrewr-jun16/

Very interesting!

I'm planning a trip today that would take me from YVR through EWR and there are subsequent trips, including one after the June 16 introduction of 788 service, that could let me take my first Dreamliner!

[LeftCoaster]

So I was looking at the 2015 numbers today and lamenting a bit the sub 5% growth when I came to a realization. A painfully obvious realization.

2015 growth figures are nearly identical to 2014 growth figures, but with one exception: domestic.

2014 Transborder 9.51%
2015 Transborder 8.52%

2014 International 7.83%
2015 International 6.54%

2014 Int'l & Transborder 8.68%
2015 Int'l & Transborder 8.01%

So we're really only off last year's spectacular growth by 0.6% if you factor out domestic, which is really of little concern to me at least and easily explainable by the current national economic picture.

Here's to an even better 2016. With the rosy economic forecast for the US and Vancouver, coupled with all the capacity increases we've been seeing I'm expecting Int'l numbers closer to 2014.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Interesting to see that tonnes on runway is up 5.7% while year over year pax is up 4.9%, meaning that there has been up-gauging of metal year over year.



Very interesting!

Also total aircraft movements is down 0.6% with total tonnage on the runway up 5.7%. Much bigger birds coming to YVR.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

I'm planning a trip today that would take me from YVR through EWR and there are subsequent trips, including one after the June 16 introduction of 788 service, that could let me take my first Dreamliner!

Given the amount of flying you seem to do I'm shocked you've haven't been on a dreamliner yet. They even fly daily between YYZ and YVR!

[Hot Rod]

omg, 7 days and no YVR Airport news. ....

I can't take it.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

omg, 7 days and no YVR Airport news. ....

I can't take it.

Ok....

- A United Airlines flight from Anchorage to Denver diverted to YVR and police stormed the aircraft. No news reports yet on what the problem individual was actually doing to cause the diversion. I find it odd, I would have expected Calgary or Edmonton to be closer to the that route, but who knows.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by casper

I find it odd, I would have expected Calgary or Edmonton to be closer to the that route, but who knows.

Well, there was also that Air Canada 777 from Shanghai to Toronto that his severe turbulence over Christmas and had to make an emergency landing in Calgary, not Edmonton. I did find that strange as Calgary can't by any means be closer to the flight route than Edmonton is.