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[Bluenote]

Watch the video. Look at the glass walls on what I believe would be the hotel. Looks exactly like the hydro towers glass curtain wall design. If so maybe they are going to use that technology on this project. And we will get all glass buildings.

[CoryB]

Easy value engineering choices: drop those video screens and remove any tree not at surface level in the ground.

An interesting question about TNS is will the old concrete blocks from the old Winnipeg Arena on Graham Ave be preserved or will they be forever lost during this change?

[rkspec]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Watch the video. Look at the glass walls on what I believe would be the hotel. Looks exactly like the hydro towers glass curtain wall design. If so maybe they are going to use that technology on this project. And we will get all glass buildings.

i think hydro uses the building envelope design? (see how much i learned since joining ha-ha)


would be nice if it fits the budge.

[drew]

^ hydro has a double exterior wall with a significant air space between the two walls.

I would seriously doubt this project will have the $$ to pay the premium for this system.

I would expect more typical single curtain wall with windows and exterior finish to look like glass, but not.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

An interesting question about TNS is will the old concrete blocks from the old Winnipeg Arena on Graham Ave be preserved or will they be forever lost during this change?

Concrete blocks from the old Winnipeg Arena? You mean that hunk of cement sculpture with the old Jets logo embedded in it? I'm pretty sure that was from some streetscaping project years ago. I think it can be trucked down to the landfill without anyone missing it.

[Urban recluse]

I am interested to know who TN has partnered with vis-à-vis the hotel.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by esquire

Concrete blocks from the old Winnipeg Arena? You mean that hunk of cement sculpture with the old Jets logo embedded in it? I'm pretty sure that was from some streetscaping project years ago. I think it can be trucked down to the landfill without anyone missing it.

You are so heartless!

[esquire]

^ I guess that may have sounded callous, but some of those streetscaping projects fall a little short of the mark!

[buzzg]

I think my number one thing (concern/hope) for this project is that the outer facing walls (along Hargrave, Graham especially) are active and alive. There would be nothing worse than having the "back" of the building along Hargrave just so cafes can front onto the plaza. I would be the happiest guy in Winnipeg if the plan to make Hargrave into a pedestrian street in summer actually happened and some of the CityPlace main floor units opened up to Hargrave.

[CoryB]

The concrete blocks I speak of I am fairly sure came from the old arena site and had the Jets logos in the concrete. In my opinion they were really ugly and I don't feel their loss would be significant. That said, someone, somewhere felt they were important enough to relocate to Graham Ave so I am likely missing some aspect of their historical significance and why they were important to keep. Maybe they can somehow be value engineered into TNS, after all it would "save" on some concrete costs

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

The concrete blocks I speak of I am fairly sure came from the old arena site and had the Jets logos in the concrete. In my opinion they were really ugly and I don't feel their loss would be significant. That said, someone, somewhere felt they were important enough to relocate to Graham Ave so I am likely missing some aspect of their historical significance and why they were important to keep. Maybe they can somehow be value engineered into TNS, after all it would "save" on some concrete costs

Send'em to Glendale

[factis]

They're currently digging down the east side of the property. It looks like there is a legacy basement wall/foundation in the dirt there. Anyone have a clue what building(s) was on that site before it was a parking lot? As for the concrete block from the old arena that has provoked some discussion today, it's currently sitting in the middle of the lot. If they were getting rid of it, I'm assuming it would be gone by now.

[esquire]

The bus terminal used to be along Graham Avenue, before it moved by the U of W in the 60s.

Here's a picture from 1961, towards the end. I can't imagine that the terminal was very old at that point, maybe no more than about 25 years old or so?



Source: http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~wyatt/alltime/pics/winnipeg-commuterbuses.html

I have no idea what was there prior to that, but I'd imagine it was probably just residential houses or small wooden commercial buildings. I don't think there was anything there after that... it has literally been a surface parking lot for a good 50 years or so.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by esquire

I have no idea what was there prior to that, but I'd imagine it was probably just residential houses or small wooden commercial buildings. I don't think there was anything there after that... it has literally been a surface parking lot for a good 50 years or so.

Carlton School occupied the north half of the block, if it's the one I'm thinking of.

[Andy6]

Here's a rare photo from my collection. Looking east on Graham, with Carlton School in the foreground and the Eaton's mail order building under construction. I dated it 1916 although I'm not sure exactly why - I guess that's when this section of the Eaton's building was built (it wasn't all one building at first). Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't believe Carlton school even made it through the 1920s.

Steelwork, T. Eaton Co. Ltd., 1916 by wintorbos, on Flickr

[bomberjet]

There looked to be a large hole being dug in the far northeast corner. Right at the sidewalk.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Andy6

Here's a rare photo from my collection. Looking east on Graham, with Carlton School in the foreground and the Eaton's mail order building under construction. I dated it 1916 although I'm not sure exactly why - I guess that's when this section of the Eaton's building was built (it wasn't all one building at first). Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't believe Carlton school even made it through the 1920s.

I had no idea about Carlton School... thanks for sharing that.

[cllew]

Here is the 1906 Winnipeg Fire insurance map from the Manitoba Historical Society web site showing its location relative to Graham ave and the church.

http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/sites/images/carltonschool1.jpg

It was interesting to read on the MHS site that 4 of the 6 original lots that made up the school grounds were donated by the Hudson's Bay in 1881 to allow the school to be built.

Further on the MHS site it says Eaton's bought the school (the replacement one built in 1903) in 1930 to expand its parking, so in effect the Bay provided land years later for Eaton's.

[Andy6]

This is the SW corner of the lot circa 1914, showing what appears on the map as the "priest's residence" next to St. Mary's Cathedral at Carlton and St. Mary.

Corner of Carlton and St. Mary by wintorbos, on Flickr

The gentleman is "Flip" ... he features prominently in the old album that this came from, which was a gold mine of Winnipeg images, as Flip and his many friends were out and about constantly between about 1910 and shortly after this photo when they all apparently went off to war.

[drew]

Great picture.

Love some of the details. Carlton street clearly cast into the sidewalk similar to many sidewalks here in Wolseley. Love "Flip"s pocket watch.

House looks nice too. It's foundation is likely still buried there under the asphalt.