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Old Posted Dec 9, 2015, 5:24 PM
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And if this is an obscure corner case for heritage preservation why aren't we just funding the upkeep in those rare instances?
Exactly.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2015, 5:29 PM
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In fairness, if I'm a developer and in the past I've experienced hostile, aggressive, and litigious opposition from heritage groups, I'm going to take steps-- like taking out a demolition writ-- to strengthen my position, in any bargaining/negotiations, even if I have no plan to actually use it.

In game theory, you never take your strongest move off the the table, if your aim is a compromise somewhere down the middle. If Halifax had a history of negotiation and compromise and cooperation from Heritage groups, it may be a different story. But mostly, these issues have been polarized and decided through costly litigation.
Oh, I agree that it makes sense from a business/financial perspective. And it'd be different if maybe the properties had been registered as heritage against their objections.

But Dexel bought one of these properties just a year or two ago, so they knew the (ostensible) restrictions on them, but still got crafty. Not all developers behave this way, so I have a hard time excusing Dexel for doing so.
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Oh, I agree that it makes sense from a business/financial perspective. And it'd be different if maybe the properties had been registered as heritage against their objections.

But Dexel bought one of these properties just a year or two ago, so they knew the (ostensible) restrictions on them, but still got crafty. Not all developers behave this way, so I have a hard time excusing Dexel for doing so.
Exactly. It would be easy to insert the 3-year waiting period as part of a business plan, especially since they know in advance that they will be able to proceed at that time. Invest the capitol for purchase, sit on it for 3 years using the lease money from the existing tenants to offset any losses, then proceed with the demolition or whatever.
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The debate on it is found here.

And the text of the revised bill is here.
Thanks for that.
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2015, 12:28 AM
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The debate on it is found here.

And the text of the revised bill is here.

It does indeed remove that protection, making heritage conservation districts almost completely meaningless, and making Nova Scotia's heritage protection if not the worst in the country, close to it.

It also adds "financial hardship" as a reason to de-register a building. The rationale is that financial concerns about upkeep and increased taxes prevent people from registering buildings, but the way the text is written, it's extremely vague.

So if some little old widow owns a heritage house and can't manage the taxes, she could deregister it. Fair enough. Or in the example given by the province, imagine a cash-strapped church can't maintain its heritage property. (St. Patrick's church on Brunswick Street was in this exact situation, and earlier this year they were looking to de-register their rectory, so that a developer could buy it and convert it into condos. They planned to use money from the sale to restore the church itself. This seemed like a pretty smart win-win solution, a case where de-registering a heritage property was actually the best thing to do from a heritage perspective. Actually, does anyone know what happened with this?)

But there's no definition of "hardship" in the bill, so I can easily see a Louis Lawen or a Jeff Webber or whoever claiming "hardship" because a heritage property makes their development less profitable--and I can see them getting their way with such a claim.
I walked by the rectory a couple of days ago and noticed the upstairs ceiling is stripped to the beams with light bulbs hanging by wires. I was afraid it was in the process of being demolished, glad to hear it is being developed. On a side note, I noticed several instances of sidewalk chalk complaining about gentrification of the neighbourhood, but then I walked by some grand old mansions that were obviously there before the area changed. So basically complaining about returning the neighbourhood to it's roots?
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2015, 1:20 AM
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I walked by the rectory a couple of days ago and noticed the upstairs ceiling is stripped to the beams with light bulbs hanging by wires. I was afraid it was in the process of being demolished, glad to hear it is being developed. On a side note, I noticed several instances of sidewalk chalk complaining about gentrification of the neighbourhood, but then I walked by some grand old mansions that were obviously there before the area changed. So basically complaining about returning the neighbourhood to it's roots?
The question of who a neighbourhood "belongs" to is always interesting. Within the living memory of most people, Gottingen and Brunswick have been run-down streets in a run-down neighbourhood. If you look at the architectural legacy though (well, at least on Brunswick, Gottingen has been really physically altered) that wasn't always the case. Brunswick reminds me of Jarvis Street in Toronto--full of low-income housing and social services, and the most marginalized of the city's poor. But also pockmarked with grand old mansions, because it used to be the avenue of choice for the city's wealthiest citizens.

Parkdale in Toronto is the same, or many parts of, for example, Brooklyn, which were traditionally black for most of the 20th century, but not in the 19th.

I think gentrification can have many positives but it has to be handled sensitively, obviously. While it's false to say the North End has always been working-class or poor, uniformly, it certainly has been in recent decades.

I'll have to check out the rectory; I hadn't heard anything about it one way or the other.
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Old Posted Dec 30, 2015, 10:18 PM
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The former St. Patrick's Rectory on Brunswick Street is being converted to apartments. There are plans in the works for a 14-storey tower in behind:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.6541433,...CCLB6yFty44hY8f1h_zYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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The former St. Patrick's Rectory on Brunswick Street is being converted to apartments. There are plans in the works for a 14-storey tower in behind:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.6541433,...CCLB6yFty44hY8f1h_zYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It is good to hear that it is being re-purposed. It would have been sad to see it demolished.
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The former St. Patrick's Rectory on Brunswick Street is being converted to apartments. There are plans in the works for a 14-storey tower in behind:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.6541433,...CCLB6yFty44hY8f1h_zYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
As long as the building is saved and more money goes to restoring St Pats I am happy. It is so sad to see what I would argue to be the most beautiful church in the city in such a state of disrepair.
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I walked past it today. Definitely under renovation; looks like it's got a new roof and the brick is maybe getting cleaned/repaired. Nice to see.
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The question of who a neighbourhood "belongs" to is always interesting. Within the living memory of most people, Gottingen and Brunswick have been run-down streets in a run-down neighbourhood. If you look at the architectural legacy though (well, at least on Brunswick, Gottingen has been really physically altered) that wasn't always the case. Brunswick reminds me of Jarvis Street in Toronto--full of low-income housing and social services, and the most marginalized of the city's poor. But also pockmarked with grand old mansions, because it used to be the avenue of choice for the city's wealthiest citizens.

Parkdale in Toronto is the same, or many parts of, for example, Brooklyn, which were traditionally black for most of the 20th century, but not in the 19th.

I think gentrification can have many positives but it has to be handled sensitively, obviously. While it's false to say the North End has always been working-class or poor, uniformly, it certainly has been in recent decades.

I'll have to check out the rectory; I hadn't heard anything about it one way or the other.
http://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=3378 provides the history of the gentry who once resided on the northern section of Brunswick Street.
The Fleming house was altered sometime in the 70s and I was allowed inside the property whilst alterations were in progress. The street has been blighted by inappropriate and cheap development.
This : https://www.google.com/maps/@44.6581409,...eLJPTF_taUWiUUojmebSQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 is an example of HRM failing to enforce their own legislation
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I walked by the rectory a couple of days ago and noticed the upstairs ceiling is stripped to the beams with light bulbs hanging by wires. I was afraid it was in the process of being demolished, glad to hear it is being developed. On a side note, I noticed several instances of sidewalk chalk complaining about gentrification of the neighbourhood, but then I walked by some grand old mansions that were obviously there before the area changed. So basically complaining about returning the neighbourhood to it's roots?
The question of who a neighbourhood "belongs" to is always interesting. Within the living memory of most people, Gottingen and Brunswick have been run-down streets in a run-down neighbourhood. If you look at the architectural legacy though (well, at least on Brunswick, Gottingen has been really physically altered) that wasn't always the case. Brunswick reminds me of Jarvis Street in Toronto--full of low-income housing and social services, and the most marginalized of the city's poor. But also pockmarked with grand old mansions, because it used to be the avenue of choice for the city's wealthiest citizens.

Parkdale in Toronto is the same, or many parts of, for example, Brooklyn, which were traditionally black for most of the 20th century, but not in the 19th.

I think gentrification can have many positives but it has to be handled sensitively, obviously. While it's false to say the North End has always been working-class or poor, uniformly, it certainly has been in recent decades.

I'll have to check out the rectory; I hadn't heard anything about it one way or the other.
It's interesting when one views it from a historical perspective. The main complaints about gentrification are based in the here and now, that people of lower income will potentially lose their ability to live in "their" neighborhood - totally understandable and easy to empathize with.

But as mentioned the neighborhood wasn't always as such. It doesn't take much imagination to see that it was a very affluent area at one point in time, with the quality of the older buildings comprising the majority of the evidence. At the time these buildings were built, the less-affluent people lived in another neighborhood. Such as it goes with the passage of time - as newer neighborhoods came about, the affluent built more elaborate homes there, and eventually their previous neighborhood becomes less desirable to the highest income earners and more affordable to the middle income people. Decades pass, value decreases until finally it becomes a neighborhood affordable by earners on the lower end of the income scale. Really, other than when government intervened and created low-income neighborhoods (though still related), who lives where always been mostly about land value.

IMHO, gentrification is just a reflection of the reversal of the land value. The old neighborhood starts to become desirable again, old houses are renovated, new higher quality buildings are built, new businesses are drawn to the area and -bingo- gentrification has occurred. The plus side is, of course, that the neighborhood becomes nicer, buildings are preserved, and presumably the neighborhood becomes safer. The down side is people being pushed out of their neighborhood because they just can't afford it anymore.

Actually, I came back to this topic when I found this on the archives site about Judge Jonathan McCully's House at 2507 Brunswick Street. From the archives site:
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Jonathan McCully was a lawyer, journalist, senator and judge. He was also a Father of Confederation. Judge McCully’s house on Brunswick Street was in the fashionable residential area of Halifax at the time of Confederation.
Cripes, the house of a Father of Confederation of all things. From wikipedia, it appears that he died in that very house.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_McCully

When you look at the history of that area, it would almost seem a shame if it didn't get its chance to be rejuvenated.

Interesting stuff.
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A reliable media source (think of a bridge) reported that IKEA is considering building a 300,000 square foot full-size store in Dartmouth Crossings.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2016, 6:16 PM
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Cripes, the house of a Father of Confederation of all things. From wikipedia, it appears that he died in that very house.
This kind of history is pretty common in Halifax. Sir Sandford Fleming lived a couple of blocks down. There were lots of important people living and passing through in Halifax in the 18th and 19th centuries, whether you're talking about national politicians and royalty, inventors, or founders of major businesses. There was a time when it had more of a reputation as a "city of firsts" but that seems to have all but disappeared.

I find that the level of heritage preservation tends to be much lower in Halifax than elsewhere in Canada for something of the same level of significance, and that things that happened in Halifax that are of national significance (during the 1750-1950 period a lot happened) have a much lower profile than less significant events in Ontario and Quebec. The city should be investing a lot more into heritage preservation and interpretation. Halifax should have a Philadelphia or Boston type reputation within Canada, with heritage sites and tourism to match.
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A reliable media source (think of a bridge) reported that IKEA is considering building a 300,000 square foot full-size store in Dartmouth Crossings.
Great to hear about IKEA. Less thrilled by proposed location.
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Not sure, but it looks like the paint is being deliberately scrubbed off this one. Maybe we'll see a restoration (or at least a new coat of paint) sometime soon.
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Not sure, but it looks like the paint is being deliberately scrubbed off this one. Maybe we'll see a restoration (or at least a new coat of paint) sometime soon.
They got money in the last round of Barring St. Heritage District grants to restore the facade and restore the window proportions (e.g. the bricked windows on the top floor). Hopefully what you posted is a sign of the work starting.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2016, 9:23 PM
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Some heritage district money was earmarked for this one so hopefully the improvements will be much more substantial.

Believe it or not that building is from circa 1830. I think the three lower floors might be ironstone construction under that stucco, similar to the For Lease, err, Morse's Teas building. The large second-floor windows are a later alteration. It could turn out to be pretty impressive.

The Green Lantern and Pacific buildings are pretty great too. They just need some restoration work.
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Some heritage district money was earmarked for this one so hopefully the improvements will be much more substantial.

Believe it or not that building is from circa 1830. I think the three lower floors might be ironstone construction under that stucco, similar to the For Lease, err, Morse's Teas building. The large second-floor windows are a later alteration. It could turn out to be pretty impressive.

The Green Lantern and Pacific buildings are pretty great too. They just need some restoration work.
Regarding the 1678 Barrington Street building (with the Elle's Bistro sign) here is an image from year 1900. It is just to the left (south) of what was at that time the New York Life Insurance Co. office.

(source: https://novascotia.ca/archives/Notman/archives.asp?ID=205 )
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Regarding the 1678 Barrington Street building (with the Elle's Bistro sign) here is an image from year 1900. It is just to the left (south) of what was at that time the New York Life Insurance Co. office.
The past century has certainly managed to erase any charm this building once enjoyed.

It's going to take quite a bit of work to make something interesting out of the dreary box of a structure we have today.
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