O-Train Line 2 [Stage 1 | Bayview to Greenboro] | In Service

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by FFX-ME

The trains are slowing down at the passing tracks which are located at the proposed Gladstone and Walkley stations. Why not just have them stop fully and unload/pickup passengers. That would help remedy some of the issues with the lack of double-tracking since they'd have to stop anyways. How much would it cost to add platforms there. Heck, we might was well just get together, go to Home Depot, buy some wood and build it ourselves! Adding 2 platforms shouldn't cost near 1 Million dollars, just do it.

So do you guys have plans for the weekend? Want to build those LRT stations?

In the EA for the Stage 2 extension there are plans to add stations at Gladstone and Walkley at the same time.

Gladstone is planned to be double tracked. Walkley is not, because the underpass structure is not wide enough to accommodate 2 tracks and there's not enough money to widen it.

Refer to here:
http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploa...illium_Line_Functional_Design_Report.pdf


I suppose that if the station was positioned far enough north or south of Walkley that the single track could split before/after the underpass it would work, but then the platform would probably be too far away from Walkley.

[FFX-ME]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

In the EA for the Stage 2 extension there are plans to add stations at Gladstone and Walkley at the same time.

Gladstone is planned to be double tracked. Walkley is not, because the underpass structure is not wide enough to accommodate 2 tracks and there's not enough money to widen it.

Refer to here:
http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploa...illium_Line_Functional_Design_Report.pdf


I suppose that if the station was positioned far enough north or south of Walkley that the single track could split before/after the underpass it would work, but then the platform would probably be too far away from Walkley.

I am aware of that but the new double-tracked areas are very close to the proposed station. Why even wait 7 years to add a platform there. We aren't talking big fancy station, just a platform. It would cost what, 100,000$? The trains are practically already stopping there anyway.

The gladstone station could be added right now, the passing tracks are a bit further north of the proposed Walkley station but hey... it's there.

People would stop complaining about the reduced transit times since the trains would be going slowing for a reason... more stops, which is a good thing.

[Radster]

Originally Posted by FFX-ME

I am aware of that but the new double-tracked areas are very close to the proposed station. Why even wait 7 years to add a platform there. We aren't talking big fancy station, just a platform. It would cost what, 100,000$? The trains are practically already stopping there anyway.

The gladstone station could be added right now, the passing tracks are a bit further north of the proposed Walkley station but hey... it's there.

People would stop complaining about the reduced transit times since the trains would be going slowing for a reason... more stops, which is a good thing.

Stop making so much common sense, its very much un-Ottawa. Your comment would be reality in other parts of the world, but alas, this is Ottawa, where everything happens at a snails pace without much room for flexibility and with too many levels of bureaucracy.

With that said, anyone feel like trainhopping from Gladstone to Bayview just for the thrill and to save a couple minutes of walking?

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Walkley is not, because the underpass structure is not wide enough to accommodate 2 tracks and there's not enough money to widen it.

I always found that one odd. Wouldn't the Walkley overpass need to be replaced in a few years anyway due to end of life? It's probably getting pretty old by now.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

I always found that one odd. Wouldn't the Walkley overpass need to be replaced in a few years anyway due to end of life? It's probably getting pretty old by now.

That bridge was probably built in the mid 70s when the neighbouring Airport Parkway was built.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

I always found that one odd. Wouldn't the Walkley overpass need to be replaced in a few years anyway due to end of life? It's probably getting pretty old by now.

Yes, it's on the map for renewal in 2016-2019.
Doesn't mean it's gonna be widened though.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Yes, it's on the map for renewal in 2016-2019.
Doesn't mean it's gonna be widened though.

If it has to be replaced wouldn't it cost almost nothing extra to widen the gap underneath?

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

If it has to be replaced wouldn't it cost almost nothing extra to widen the gap underneath?

It would cost more, but not that much more if the bridge were completely replaced. But a rehab is much cheaper than a reconstruction.

Gladstone will git it's proper double tracked station in due course based on the current EA. There isn't room for two tracks and a platform there, but they came to their senses and realized they would have to cut the platform into the rock after the public consultations. Gladstone will also need elevators, probably 4 of them as they seem to be building them redundantly now, and no ramp would fit.

Walkley has to go south of Walkley road to put the station on the straight track. It would be nice to see the Brookfield siding extended south as close to Walkley road as possible, but this was likely avoided as it would require a more expensive custom curved turnout.

[DarthVader_1961]

As i recall.. There is a underpass at carleton university as well. Underneath that new parking garage. Is it wide enoughtbto double track?

[eemy]

I'm pretty sure I recall it being said that it was designed with that in mind.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

I'm pretty sure I recall it being said that it was designed with that in mind.

It's definetly big enough. It would probably fit three tracks if they weren't on a curve at that location.

[DarthVader_1961]

Other than the bridge over the river between Carleton U an confederation, the only real ugly part, in terms of double tracking, would be the tunnel between Bayview and Carling.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by DarthVader_1961

Other than the bridge over the river between Carleton U an confederation, the only real ugly part, in terms of double tracking, would be the tunnel between Bayview and Carling.

There are a lot of structures that need expansion or replacement between Confederation and Greenboro as well, not just at Walkley Road.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by FFX-ME

The trains are slowing down at the passing tracks which are located at the proposed Gladstone and Walkley stations. Why not just have them stop fully and unload/pickup passengers. That would help remedy some of the issues with the lack of double-tracking since they'd have to stop anyways. How much would it cost to add platforms there. Heck, we might was well just get together, go to Home Depot, buy some wood and build it ourselves! Adding 2 platforms shouldn't cost near 1 Million dollars, just do it.

So do you guys have plans for the weekend? Want to build those LRT stations?

Get me a jackhammer, and train me how to use a jackhammer, and I'll start work on Gladstone.

[lrt's friend]

As part of today's announcement about the Confederation Line, the mayor suggested 100% funding for the airport link and the Trim Road extension.

The former has always concerned me since the plans were released last winter with elaborate train movements at South Keys. MP John Fraser was also interviewed and said it was on his radar, so this is becoming more and more of a chance to become a reality.

We need somebody with some power and influence to come out and start lobbying for double tracking from Bayview to where the branching takes place south of Hunt Club.

If we are going to have an airport link, it has to be reliable and we need to eliminate the frequency constraints that will never be resolved until double tracking is complete.

[rocketphish]

Extend O-Train south before widening Airport Parkway, Watson says

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: January 13, 2016 | Last Updated: January 13, 2016 5:03 PM EST

The city should hold off on widening the Airport Parkway until it extends the O-Train further south, Mayor Jim Watson said Wednesday, after admitting lower-than-expected revenue from development charges has delayed a number of road projects.

An environmental assessment for widening the two-lane arterial between Brookfield Road and the airport is underway, and the first stretch, between Brookfield and Hunt Club Road, was to be completed by 2018, at an estimated cost of $31 million.

But that target has now been pushed back until 2020 at the earliest.

Other projects the city says are now also delayed until then include:

• Building a new four-lane road between Orléans Boulevard and Navan Road
• Widening Mer Bleue Road from two to four lanes between Brian Coburn Boulevard and Renaud Road
• Realigning Palladium Drive in the vicinity of Huntmar Road to a new north-south arterial
• Building a new underpass on Earl Grey Drive where it meets Terry Fox Drive

All this work, approved in 2013 when council passed the transportation master plan, was scheduled to be completed in the first phase, between 2014 to 2019.

The plan was built on the premise that the city would collect from development charges and senior levels of government somewhere in the neighbourhood of $43 million to $45 million each year for growth-related road projects, but that figure has since been revised to $26 million annually. Development charges help pay for the cost of infrastructure required to provide municipal services to new development, such as roads, transit, water and sewer infrastructure, community centres and fire and police facilities.

The mayor says the road projects have to be “slowed down simply because the money is not there and we want to adopt a fiscally responsible plan that these projects have to be funded by (development charges), and if there’s less construction for housing and office buildings and so on, there’s less money in the treasury.”

But Watson also seems to agree with those who believe the city should focus on extending the O-Train to Riverside South, including a $155-million spur to the Ottawa airport, in hopes that will make a dent on rush-hour congestion before widening the parkway.

“If we’re able to secure funding for the O-Train extension to the airport, then we should get shovels in the ground for that before we do the Airport Parkway expansion,” Watson said.

An O-Train connection to the airport and the extension of the Confederation Line in the east end to Trim Road, at an estimated cost of $160 million, weren’t originally in the plan for the second phase of LRT, but the city wants both.

“We’ve had some very positive discussions on both those projects,” Watson said, adding the city hopes the province will pay the full cost of the Trim Road extension, while the federal government would pick up the tab for the airport link.

The airport authority has said it is prepared to contribute to the estimated $35 million cost of building a light-rail stop inside its passenger terminal. But officials, reached late Wednesday, say they were disappointed to through the media that the road widening has been deferred because they believe the rail link and extra lanes on the parkway are both necessary.

“The more that the south urban area expands, the more pressure is going to be put on by regular commuters,” said spokeswoman Krista Kealey. “It is going to put traffic to the airport in jeopardy and we think that’s going to have a long-term impact on the region from a tourism and business point of view.”

Ottawa South MPP John Fraser — who joined Watson, federal Infrastructure Minister Amarjeet Sohi and others for a tour of the construction site where the future Tremblay LRT station is being built next to the Ottawa train station — said his priority for addressing congestion on the Airport Parkway is the O-Train extension.

“I’d like to see that move forward quicker,” he said. “I think it should be a priority for all Ottawans to connect our airport to our public transit system.”

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[silvergate]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

As part of today's announcement about the Confederation Line, the mayor suggested 100% funding for the airport link and the Trim Road extension.

The former has always concerned me since the plans were released last winter with elaborate train movements at South Keys. MP John Fraser was also interviewed and said it was on his radar, so this is becoming more and more of a chance to become a reality.

We need somebody with some power and influence to come out and start lobbying for double tracking from Bayview to where the branching takes place south of Hunt Club.

If we are going to have an airport link, it has to be reliable and we need to eliminate the frequency constraints that will never be resolved until double tracking is complete.

Everyone who agrees with that should at the very least write their councillor. Maybe one of them will be able to think about the future for once

[lrt's friend]

I am very interested in improving public transit in this city and I am interested building the airport link if its done correctly, however, the Airport Parkway has become a major commuter link as well as access route to the airport. We have screwed everything up for so long that we now have the airport parkway at capacity. It doesn't matter if we build LRT to the airport and beyond, we still need a free flowing access route as well. Most Ottawans will continue to access the airport by car or taxi. The latest plan for the airport link is a major screw-up that will attract very limited ridership. The thought of delaying the expansion of the Airport Parkway for a bad public transit plan is a big mistake and does a disservice to Ottawa taxpayers. Ottawa South residents should particularly complain because we have gotten the raw end of the stick almost continuously since 2006 and even when something is done for our benefit, the city has screwed it up.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by silvergate

Everyone who agrees with that should at the very least write their councillor. Maybe one of them will be able to think about the future for once

I have written to my councillor, wondering when in hell our densely-populated central ward is going to get something other than regular plunky bus transit.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Ottawa South residents should particularly complain because we have gotten the raw end of the stick almost continuously since 2006 and even when something is done for our benefit, the city has screwed it up.

That end of town still has faster transit service than large swathes of the old city.